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General Discussions / Re: Food permissibility / halal and haram
« on: June 11, 2016, 09:20:19 PM »
Wa Alaikumu Assalam Wa Rahmatullah brother Joseph!

Please accept my apologies for demanding answers from respected readers in this forum!
Brother Joseph. May God reward you good with the efforts you make to spread the messages of God.
I know exactly how hard it's to respond and discuss things you have already discussed enough! I thank you for your kind respone! Tnx for your precious time you took to answer my questions and concerns. And again I apologies from you too if I bothered you for no sensible reason.

As for your reply. I think I didn't made it clear, that's why your response seem obvious and in the same time not what was trying to say.

I was saying: 1- God says about dead human flesh(فكرهتموه - you would abhorred it- so we have makroh), 2-you were saying dead human flesh is forbidden, I said from where you got that, because you were saying the verse was talking about dead cattle flesh is forbidden(means only dead انعام is forbidden). If you say that the dead flesh is from all creatures, then why not say the same and declare that the verse is talking about all creatures not only انعام.
May God forgive me if I am missing something!

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General Discussions / Re: Food permissibility / halal and haram
« on: May 21, 2016, 03:58:33 PM »
Please someon !

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General Discussions / Food permissibility / halal and haram
« on: May 18, 2016, 04:27:32 PM »
Peace be upon all truth seekers and believers!
Hope you're all fine and happy!
So I asked and posted the following questions but have not received any response and I decided to post it here. Any response will be appreciated. Tnx.
Peace be upon you brother!
And again Jazzak'Allah khair for your jihad in the way of God and taking the job of a messenger(العلماء ورثة الأنبياء)
Dear Brother. Can you have a look at my first question about first and last verses revealed to prophet Muhammad(PBUH), (if you have time)? : http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1811.0

But if you don't, then, this is an Important question: I've read your article food permissibility and prohibition.
And countered some responses from others who were not really convinced by this argument.
They say where in the Quran it says that it is Haram (clearly)? Or it's Najis(unclean/forbidden/unhealthy/Khabees)?
I am seeking answers from our one and only lawgiver, our lord through his وحى - the Quran. Cause Hanafis(the school of thought that I inherited from my family) differ from other Sunni schools and Shias regarding this matter and they will go as far as making things haram by just one unclear report. For example saying horses are Makroh. Wild donkeys are halal ,,,,,,,, 
If we ask what is halal, the Quran answers(الطيبات، بهيمة الانعام، صيد البر و الصيد البحر،Etc)
If we ask what's haram, the Quran answers(الخبائث، flesh of swine, الدم المسفوح Etc)
Now there's no mention of other animals, then, it means the Quran is silent about them.
Which means specially in many articles of yours that it's A BLESSING.
So in this case I think it's neither halal, nor haram. But something in between. Even when there comes the mention of eating dead human flesh God says (فكرهتموه), (so we have something in between like Makrooh after all) and didn't say it's haram. And everybody hates(كره) eating dead human body. Dear brother. If i am not mistaken you said eating dead human body is haram based on the verse that you said was talking about only livestock. So why did you do that, specially when you says that it's only talking about Bahimat Al Anaam ? We know it's haram killing of innocent human beings. But eating flesh of dead human is (كره- مكروه) and not haram - not halal. It's abomination- men abhors it by nature.
 
Some points:
1-Quran didn't say that it's a transgression eating any other animal that's not mentioned(Did not say: فمن ابتغى وراء ذلك فأولئك هم العادون)
2- Do you think that intimacy(between husband and wife) in fasting nights was forbidden? I don't think so, but I think it was makroh - people weren't sure, just like eating other animals, therefore God made it halal(احل لكم ليلة الصيام الرفث الى نسائكم). And in the day, God didn't say anything, now, we can conclude that it's Makrooh in they day -or maybe kind of transgression / haram, cause it's a kind of breaking the fast by other means(specially sexual intercourse)?? But about simple things like kissing in the forehead is fine. That's why Quran is silent about the day! Means sexual intercourse is forbidden but (الرفث) is not just that!!! What's رفث exactly?  Please clarify this thanks!!

And also about بهيمة الانعام they weren't sure / they didn't had full knowledge so God made it Halal(احلت لكم بهيمة الانعام).
And other animals God is silent.
Dear Brother. What can be worse than insects(I mean for people as food)??
If the Quran is silent about that why not say the same thing about other animals?
Important questions:
1-What about kangaroo, elephant and other herbivores like deers,,,, are they also from بهيمة الانعام and also rabbit ??
2-Is rabbit halal(according to Quran)?
3-does بهيمة means dumb? Then with Cattle, it's called dumb cattle, like sheep and goats and cows that dependent on us and are easy prey for other animals and without us they couldn't survive, meant / designed for us??
 4-if we say ONLY (بهيمة الانعام) Then, according to Quran is it haram wearing a coat that's made from other animal skins (and not from الانعام)?? 
5-what is صيد البر definitely not from livestock, cause one can't hunt them, they belong to other people.
 
Dear kind Brother.
You're more aware from me that we can't declare something haram/halal
Unless first God makes it haram/halal.
Don't we have something like they have, something like Makrooh?? Or it must be haram and halal and nothing else?
I initially think that God's silent in this matter is also a blessing.
Some cultures they even eat snakes, so if we don't have a cogent argument from God,,, why tell them that this is haram and make things difficult for them ?
I think it's between haram and halal.
Even tho the Quran says that horses are for travel, IT DIDNT SAY THAT YOU CAN'T EAT THEM. And some others have Ahadith saying because of jihad it's Makroh(and not haram eating it). This is very confusing matter!
I think we shouldn't be talking about this,,, and say that the Quran says these are haram and others Quran is silent, like you mentioned that the Quran is silent about insects.
Further questions: some ask what about wild beasts like buffalo and Ox or wild goats and deer are they grazing livestock??
I answered yes
Cause بهيمة includes these animals
Is this correct ?
Subhan'Allah! I did some research and boom!! Shia's saying rabbit is haram cause it's from mouse family and sunni people saying its halal. Isn't this a mess??? Specially when God ordered us not to declare things by your tongue saying this is halal and that's haram. Confused a little bit - don't know what to do. But I hope that my lord guide me to the truth. Also, what do you say about the verse(و على الذين هادى حرمنا كل ذى ظفر)
And then the other verse saying(حرمنا عليهم الطيبات احلت لهم)
So what's ذي ظفر ؟؟
I searched sources from Sunnis, theyhave different opinions from the Ahadith one saying every predators the other saying donkey and others saying its from Anaam ...

Some saying mouse is from the family of (حشرات الارض)
And you said Quran is silent in this matter.
I understand this.
I know that I should do all things(research) by myself and with the help of my lord I hope that I find my way. But asking you is I think the right way to start with !!

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General Discussions / Re: food permissibility ... Halal and haram.
« on: January 30, 2016, 05:18:17 AM »
 :'( :-X
Peace be upon you brother!
And again Jazzak'Allah khair for your jihad in the way of God and taking the job of a messenger(العلماء ورثة الأنبياء)
Dear Brother. Can you have a look at my first question about first and last verses revealed to prophet Muhammad(PBUH), (if you have time)? : http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1811.0

But if you don't, then, this is an Important question: I've read your article food permissibility and prohibition.
And countered some responses from others who were not really convinced by this argument.
They say where in the Quran it says that it is Haram (clearly)? Or it's Najis(unclean/forbidden/unhealthy/Khabees)?
I am seeking answers from our one and only lawgiver, our lord through his وحى - the Quran. Cause Hanafis(the school of thought that I inherited from my family) differ from other Sunni schools and Shias regarding this matter and they will go as far as making things haram by just one unclear report. For example saying horses are Makroh. Wild donkeys are halal ,,,,,,,, 
If we ask what is halal, the Quran answers(الطيبات، بهيمة الانعام، صيد البر و الصيد البحر،Etc)
If we ask what's haram, the Quran answers(الخبائث، flesh of swine, الدم المسفوح Etc)
Now there's no mention of other animals, then, it means the Quran is silent about them.
Which means specially in many articles of yours that it's A BLESSING.
So in this case I think it's neither halal, nor haram. But something in between. Even when there comes the mention of eating dead human flesh God says (فكرهتموه), (so we have something in between like Makrooh after all) and didn't say it's haram. And everybody hates(كره) eating dead human body. Dear brother. If i am not mistaken you said eating dead human body is haram based on the verse that you said was talking about only livestock. So why did you do that, specially when you says that it's only talking about Bahimat Al Anaam ? We know it's haram killing of innocent human beings. But eating flesh of dead human is (كره- مكروه) and not haram - not halal. It's abomination- men abhors it by nature.
 
Some points:
1-Quran didn't say that it's a transgression eating any other animal that's not mentioned(Did not say: فمن ابتغى وراء ذلك فأولئك هم العادون)
2- Do you think that intimacy(between husband and wife) in fasting nights was forbidden? I don't think so, but I think it was makroh - people weren't sure, just like eating other animals, therefore God made it halal(احل لكم ليلة الصيام الرفث الى نسائكم). And in the day, God didn't say anything, now, we can conclude that it's Makrooh in they day -or maybe kind of transgression / haram, cause it's a kind of breaking the fast by other means(specially sexual intercourse)?? But about simple things like kissing in the forehead is fine. That's why Quran is silent about the day! Means sexual intercourse is forbidden but (الرفث) is not just that!!! What's رفث exactly?  Please clarify this thanks!!

And also about بهيمة الانعام they weren't sure / they didn't had full knowledge so God made it Halal(احلت لكم بهيمة الانعام).
And other animals God is silent.
Dear Brother. What can be worse than insects(I mean for people as food)??
If the Quran is silent about that why not say the same thing about other animals?
Important questions:
1-What about kangaroo, elephant and other herbivores like deers,,,, are they also from بهيمة الانعام and also rabbit ??
2-Is rabbit halal(according to Quran)?
3-does بهيمة means dumb? Then with Cattle, it's called dumb cattle, like sheep and goats and cows that dependent on us and are easy prey for other animals and without us they couldn't survive, meant / designed for us??
 4-if we say ONLY (بهيمة الانعام) Then, according to Quran is it haram wearing a coat that's made from other animal skins (and not from الانعام)?? 
5-what is صيد البر definitely not from livestock, cause one can't hunt them, they belong to other people.
 
Dear kind Brother.
You're more aware from me that we can't declare something haram/halal
Unless first God makes it haram/halal.
Don't we have something like they have, something like Makrooh?? Or it must be haram and halal and nothing else?
I initially think that God's silent in this matter is also a blessing.
Some cultures they even eat snakes, so if we don't have a cogent argument from God,,, why tell them that this is haram and make things difficult for them ?
I think it's between haram and halal.
Even tho the Quran says that horses are for travel, IT DIDNT SAY THAT YOU CAN'T EAT THEM. And some others have Ahadith saying because of jihad it's Makroh(and not haram eating it). This is very confusing matter!
I think we shouldn't be talking about this,,, and say that the Quran says these are haram and others Quran is silent, like you mentioned that the Quran is silent about insects.
Further questions: some ask what about wild beasts like buffalo and Ox or wild goats and deer are they grazing livestock??
I answered yes
Cause بهيمة includes these animals
Is this correct ?
Subhan'Allah! I did some research and boom!! Shia's saying rabbit is haram cause it's from mouse family and sunni people saying its halal. Isn't this a mess??? Specially when God ordered us not to declare things by your tongue saying this is halal and that's haram. Confused a little bit - don't know what to do. But I hope that my lord guide me to the truth. Also, what do you say about the verse(و على الذين هادى حرمنا كل ذى ظفر)
And then the other verse saying(حرمنا عليهم الطيبات احلت لهم)
So what's ذي ظفر ؟؟
I searched sources from Sunnis, theyhave different opinions from the Ahadith one saying every predators the other saying donkey and others saying its from Anaam ...

Some saying mouse is from the family of (حشرات الارض)
And you said Quran is silent in this matter.
I understand this.
I know that I should do all things(research) by myself and with the help of my lord I hope that I find my way. But asking you is I think the right way to start with !!

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Wa Alaikum Assalam Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatu, Hasssan A.
Thank you dear brother.  ;D and may Our lord accept your prayers. May the blessings, love, light and love of God be with ya. :-)

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 No reply, eh?? :( I must be promoted to administrator please, I can be trusted!!  :)

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General Discussions / First and last verse revealed to Prophet(PBUH)
« on: January 27, 2016, 04:51:02 PM »
I see refuge in God from all that's evil and the accursed Satan
In the name of God the most merciful the most beneficent 

Peace be upon our kind and knowledgeable brother Joseph and others.
You're always in sha Allah in my duas for your jihad in the Way of God and taking the job of a messenger(العلماء هم ورثة الأنبياء) I now understand that there's something truth in this statement...
Alhamdulillah, here I am (after almost three years of studying your works) asking/disscussing some issues and things that i encountered in this way ...

As a start will talk about the first and last verses revealed to prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ..
As everyone maybe aware of the little controversy about first verses. Some say it was Iqra and other say it was mudaser and then they go by brain and decide all that it was Iqra because of the 'content'!!
They can't even tell clearly which verses were revealed first and last but they will tell you what the prophet said and done !!! Subhan'Allah!
So now I haven't searched about last verses but from my study of the Quran text I came to conclusion that last verses were from Surah Fath!!
Why ?
Some reasons:
1-The prophet shortcomings were forgiven during the his ministry/mistakes when trying to apply God's guidance in his circumstances / those that are mentioned in the Quran(see verses 1 and 2 of al Fath)
2-some companions and believers were given glad tidings and Allah has become pleased with
Them(verse 5 and 18)
3-God's way / God's sunnah / sunat Allah / goal of God in action / righteous people and messengers victorious and the wrong doers case closed!   
 سُنَّةَ اللّٰهِ الَّتِىۡ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ مِنۡ قَبۡلُ ۖۚ وَلَنۡ تَجِدَ لِسُنَّةِ اللّٰهِ تَبۡدِيۡلًا
(48:23) Such is Allah's Way that has come down from the past. Never shall you find any change in the Way of Allah.
4-promises that God made in the very first years of prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) ministry fulfilled like Fath and that the religion of truth will become apparent over false religions / means = truth will become apparent and everyone will know about it and receive it
هُوَ الَّذِىۡۤ اَرۡسَلَ رَسُوۡلَهٗ بِالۡهُدٰى وَدِيۡنِ الۡحَـقِّ لِيُظۡهِرَهٗ عَلَى الدِّيۡنِ كُلِّهٖ​ؕ وَكَفٰى بِاللّٰهِ
(48:28) He it is Who sent His Messenger with the True Guidance and the Religion of Truth that He may make it prevail over every religion. Sufficient is Allah as a witness (to this).
And the Surah ends with some awesome facts: reveling Muhammad is the messenger of God, and about believers when dealing with each other and taking about unity and brotherhood and what we need after God has COMPLETED FAVOUR UPON US AND GUIDED US : UNITY
(48:29) Muhammad is Allah's Messenger, and those who are with him are firm with the unbelievers but compassionate with one another. You see them occupied in bowing and prostrating and in seeking Allah's bounty and good pleasure. They are distinguished from others by the marks of prostration on their faces. Thus are they described in the Torah. And their parable in the Gospel is that of a tilth that puts forth its shoot, then strengthens it so that it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem. This is a sight pleasing to the sowers and one by which the unbelievers will be enraged. As for those who believe and do righteous deeds, Allah has promised them forgiveness and a great reward.
ALHAMDULILH ! Peace and blessings! :-)

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