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Ok, I'll edit my signature as soon as i get to my laptop.

Natheless, may i ask why are ye censoring what the minority wants to discuss ?

I thought this was a "quran-alone" forum ?! Doesn't the Quran advocate a planate earth ?!?

True. But that quote from him perfectly describes you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, kid !

Parroting "Festinge" doesn't refute the arguments at hand, body !

Why did you delete the part about the Qurān accurately describing reality ?!?

Nonetheless, my (previous) argument still stands.

Nop.

I am not here to re-engage you regarding the earth being flat. But I will say this: for every "evidence" you presented, I (and others) have presented evidence of our own yet you either failed to address them nor acknowledged that they were legitimate proof; rather you invoked a conspiratorial argument and dismissed them as part of the Freemasons.

Go back and visit that debate t and you know that I ( and others) have done the best we could to address those arguments you presented. Furthermore, you're being dishonest in suggesting I/we were the only once failing to address the arguments you presented. If, again, you go back and revisit that "debate" we had, you will realize that you, as well, shrunk from addressing some of the arguments/evidence we presented.

You still can't refute this one single argument !
Nor this one, for that matter.

Plz don't waste my time.

[Qurān accurately describing reality]

The messenger of ALLH, the Qurān, does not "fail" at conveying the Truth

Ok, considering I have never mad such statement, so...
The fact that I was trying to convey, which you'll have a hard time disputing, is the fact that the Quran does not (nor was it intended) to touch on every subject under the sun. The Quran is neither a book of history nor of science; it is book of guidance. Its subject matter is not to record or present history of humanity or of a certain people. The purpose of its revelation is also not to teach people science of the things that they can explore and learn on their own through observation, experimentation, and trial/error. Its subject matter is guidance – teaching human being how to live in this world so that they have the most optimum personality (individually) and the most optimum society (collectively) in this world and so that they will be successful in the Hereafter. One should not foolishly dismiss an issue simply because the Quran is silent on said issue.

Why did you cut out the part about the Qurān accurately describing reality ?!?

Heliocentricity, the big bang, (macro)evolution, dinosaurs, and the rest of BUNK (that you & the Maj. adhere to) belong to PSEUDO-science.

You're more than welcome to hold to your diluted beliefs (as am I), but, with all due respect, don't expect me to squander my time debating someone who (as evident in a previous debate) presents "evidence" (manly pictures) when it suites his interest but dismisses the evidence/pictures others present.

Actually, beside Q88:20, i also presented you with a clear and stable, RAW footage (with a rectilinear lens) showing the FLAT earth from a high-altitude of 120,000 ft, along with a scientific paper by the Optical Society of America, testifying that the required elevation for detecting earth's alleged curvature is somewhat between 14,000 and 35,000 ft high !

You couldn't even address this one single argument :/

Salam Hicham9, when you write in Arabic, could you please translate? I can basically read Arabic, but I don't understand it, especially when it doesn't have diacriticals. I honestly have no idea what you just typed up there.

Try google translate, or learn Arabic !

Also--this is just a request BTW--can you please change your signature at the bottom of your posts?

Sorry, can't do !

My personal signature tells one of my core beliefs.

Or at least make the picture a bit smaller? It's confusing to scroll through everything, and it's disorienting when your signature has more content than your posts.

I might consider resizing the image,
if you can do me a favour and get rid of your unaesthetic "mouse"

Deal ?

With that said, I would like to ask why you (and hicham9) insist on throwing-out the window ever (science related) issue which the Quran either fails to speak on (or is silent on)?

The messenger of ALLH, the Qurān, does not "fail" at conveying the Truth, andor accurately describing Reality !!! Heliocentricity, the big bang, (macro)evolution, dinosaurs, and the rest of BUNK (that you & the Maj. adhere to) belong to PSEUDO-science.

Wakey wakey :\/

Six Millennia (22:47)
for the heavens, the earth, and that which lies in-between.

[الرَّجُلُ]

الرَّجُلُ بِضَمِّ الجِيمِ وسُكونِهِ: م معروف وهو الذَّكَرُ مِنْ نَوْعِ الإنْسانِ يَخْتَصُّ به
ولذلكَ قالَ تعالى : " وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَاهُ مَلَكاً لَجَعَلْناهُ رَجُلاً

الرَّجُل معروف الذكرُ من نوع الإِنسان خلاف المرأَة

الرجل: الذكر البالغ من بني آدم

hicham9: Can you stop making sweeping statements then disappear from the thread. You state that : 'The Qurān is a book of facts, not fiction.' yet have not provided any proof from the Quran as to what jinn are. Joseph however has and you seemed irked when another forum member requested you read his article on the matter!

Is this proof enough ?

[a different creation]

It is fact that al jinn are a different creation to humans as the verses state:

"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; Q[15:27]
And the Jinn, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." Q[15:28]

It clearly says that the jinn were created before man. Explain what that means to you?

NoP ~ 15:28 does not talk about الجن !!!

I already pointed this out, here !

Hope this helps.

سلام

Salute @TS,

If ye truly seek proof from the Qurān that الجن and الانس are epithets used of humans, then plz study the Qurān on your own, objectively, instead of asking me to point out the obvious, 72:6

《وانه كان رجال من الانس يعوذون برجال من الجن فزادوهم رهقا》
And that: there were MEN among the "ins" seeking help from MEN among the "gin,"
so they increased them in exhaustion.

(Q 72:6)

Lexical Definition :

الرَّجُلُ : الذكر البالغ من بني آدم

4:25 concerns married women from ملكـ اليمين
IF they commit lewdness [ie. Infidelity (zina)], their punishment is half that of المحصنـت, ergo. 50 lashes.

Anything which has not declared by God "Haram" is Halal

Wrong ! As already pointed out, this logic is flawed.
G-D has specified what is "halal" ! Why turn a blind eye to this fact ?!

and (halal) does not mean "allowed".

Then what does it mean, according to your (mis)comprehension ?!

ولا تقولوا لما تصف السنتكم الكذب هذا حلل وهذا حرام
لتفتروا على الله الكذب ان الذين يفترون على الله الكذب لا يفلحون


16:116


You said that marrying animals is Haram! This is a lie.

No, i didn't !

This is a false accusation 

Show us where, you liar !

Marrying animals is Halal*, ... Cannibalism is not Haram*, ...

Marrying animals is Halal? Yes, but not allowed by God, just like alcohol is Halal, but not allowed by God.

Slavery is another good example beside alcohol. You can not find a single verse or statement in the Quran that makes slavery Haram, ...

I'm not out of my mind, I just don't want to label things Haram, I have no right to do so.

I think, the difference between me and you is that you exclusively rely on scripture and I on both scripture and reason.

If you're not out of your mind, then define halal !

ولا تقولوا لما تصف السنتكم الكذب هذا حلل وهذا حرام
لتفتروا على الله الكذب ان الذين يفترون على الله الكذب لا يفلحون

16:116

Cannibalism aside, you said that marrying animals is halal !
This is a lie.

Define halal !