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#1
Consider this fascinating paradox: During the periods when divine books and prophets came in succession (like from Moses to Jesus to Muhammad), human civilization was relatively stable. The basic structure of society, technology, and human challenges remained largely similar across centuries. Yet even in this period of relative stability, divine guidance was repeatedly updated and renewed through new messengers and revelations.

Now let's contrast this with our modern era:
In just the last 200 years, humanity has experienced unprecedented changes:

We've moved from horse-drawn carriages to space travel
From handwritten letters to instant global communication
From simple tools to artificial intelligence
From local communities to a globally interconnected world
From basic medicine to genetic engineering
From traditional family structures to radically different social arrangements
From simple economic systems to complex global finance

The rate and magnitude of change in human society today far exceeds anything seen in the previous 1400 years. We face entirely new moral and ethical challenges that couldn't have been imagined in the 7th century: genetic modification, artificial intelligence, digital privacy, environmental crisis, nuclear weapons, space colonization, and so much more.

This raises an intriguing question: If divine guidance needed regular updates during humanity's most stable period, wouldn't it be even more crucial now, when we're experiencing the most dramatic transformations in human history? How do we reconcile the concept of a final revelation with the exponential pace of change and unprecedented challenges of our modern world?
This isn't just about new rules for new situations - it's about fundamental questions of human existence and divine guidance in an era where the very nature of human experience and consciousness might be transformed by technology and social change. 

Indeed in that are signs for those who discern.
#2
If a book claims to be of divine origin and is intended for all of humanity, it should indeed be accessible, clear, and verifiable by every individual without the need for intermediaries, historical context, or linguistic expertise or barriers. This is especially critical if the stakes are as high as salvation or eternal consequences.

Accessibility and Clarity:
A divine message intended for all of humanity should be universally accessible and understandable, regardless of language, culture, or historical context. It should not require intermediaries, scholars, or clergy to interpret or explain it.

Self-Verification:
Every individual should be able to verify the authenticity of the message independently, like a "key and lock" mechanism. This would eliminate the need for fallible human intermediaries and ensure that the message is coherent and clear to all.

High Stakes Demand High Clarity:
If the stakes are as high as salvation or eternal consequences, the message must be crystal clear and easily verifiable. Anything less would be unjust, as it would leave people at risk of misunderstanding or being misled by fallible interpreters.

Critique of Current Religious Texts:
Current religious texts, including the Quran, Bible, and Torah, fail to meet these standards. They are deeply tied to historical and cultural contexts, require interpretation by fallible humans, and are not universally accessible or verifiable.

an honest and sincere email to God:

Subject: A Humble Request for Clarity and Accessibility in Divine Messages

Dear God,

If You exist and have sent divine messages to humanity, I humbly request that You consider the following:

Universal Accessibility:
A divine message intended for all of humanity should be accessible to every individual, regardless of language, culture, or historical context. It should not require intermediaries, scholars, or clergy to interpret or explain it.

Self-Verification:
Every person should be able to verify the authenticity of the message independently, like a "key and lock" mechanism. This would eliminate the need for fallible human intermediaries and ensure that the message is coherent and clear to all.

High Stakes Demand High Clarity:
If the stakes are as high as salvation or eternal consequences, the message must be crystal clear and easily verifiable. Anything less would be unjust, as it would leave people at risk of misunderstanding or being misled by fallible interpreters.

Current Religious Texts:
Current religious texts, such as the Quran, Bible, and Torah, fail to meet these standards. They are deeply tied to historical and cultural contexts, require interpretation by fallible humans, and are not universally accessible or verifiable.

If You truly care for all of humanity, I ask that You provide a message that meets these criteria, so that every individual can independently verify its authenticity and decide whether to follow or refuse it.

Sincerely,
a Humble human being and i know u already know
#3
33:59 O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

so it aims to protect prophet's wives, daughters and women believers (free not jariya or slaves). it openly says this is to protect them from abuse by letting the perpetrators to recognize them. The quran doesnt focus on perpetruators or the vicious crime they are doing by targeting jariyas and other women. It doesnt say protect all women against those perpetruators but instead follow a sign so your women and believer free women will not be targeted. This directive serves to protect only these women, rather than addressing the perpetrators or their acts of targeting non-believing  free women or jariyas muslim or none muslim. Why does the instruction focus on adopting a sign to prevent targeting specific groups of women, rather than safeguarding all women against such perpetrators?
#4
General Discussions / is quran crystal clear?
March 30, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
the following is an excerpt from one of the answers in the forum:

"The Quran claims to be a fully detailed explanation (Arabic: fussilat 41:3; 11:1), the perfect guidance (Arabic: hudan 2:2), a clear convincing proof (Arabic: burhan (4:174), the ultimate scale (Arabic: mizan 42.17; 57:25), the discernment between truth and falsehood (Arabic: Furqan 25:1, 2:53), an evidence absolutely clear (Arabic: bayyina 20:133) and a clear explanation of all matters (Arabic: tibiana lekulli shayin 16:89)."

1-Can anybody without any prejudice or bias or prejudgement claim fully that Quran is clear? in what concept? Does it need any mediator? Knowing the masses of people which quran takes as its addressee.

2-Do we need anyone to show that it is clear? or its itself show how clear it is when one human being starts to read it?

3-If it is too clear and detailed and fully explained things even it says its explaining revelations (when God sends revelation He also sends other revelation to explain the ones sent before) then why these many people starting very close friends of prophet Muhammad peace unto him divided into sects so easily with ideas impossible to reconcile?

4-is it clear to average person or to scholars?

5-is quran time and space bound? does quran have a historical frame? If so knowing historical documents which dont have the priviledge of god protected sign or promise on them needs to be studied which makes it logical also to know and to study hadis along with historical documents to understand what the context of quran is. Because in the end we need to treat hadis as historical documents. for example how would you know who is zayd in quran which prophet is instructed to marry his ex-wife after he divorce it.

6-if quran is time and space bound does it mean that we are not the real audience it talked directly? Or the rules and sanctions it put also time and space bound? Like cutting hands or whipping are really a strict way for punishing i mean should we also preserve the physical shape and way of the punishing or the core of idea that these are actions requires punishment and at the time of prophet in arabs it is the way they are dealt with criminals and it is what the time and space allowed. So is quran and revelation also shaped by to  whom its audience is? then does it make quran universal or local? can we divide quran into sections which are universal and which are historical?
#5
I was wondering about the protection promise of the God for quran. 15:9 "Surely We have revealed the reminder (Arabic: Dhikr) and We will most surely be its guardian (Arabic: Hafizun)" Its God's words and if God's words cannot be changed then why Christians and Jews were able to change it? Or why God didnt give them His protection and only spared this privilege to us to muslims? Why they were not that lucky or had God's favour on them? Are we choosen selected people regarding this issue? Should we feel that we are granted more blessings from God comparing to people of book? By the way ayats 6:115 and 18:27 states that God's words cannot be changed!
#6
Assalamu alaikum the following excerpt from one of the articles i read on this forum: "It is noteworthy from a scriptural perspective, that in the past nations were utterly destroyed when they denied clearly proofs manifested to them. This has always been God's 'Sunna', His way." I wonder why then jews weren't destroyed when they were shown clear signs, miracles, by Jesus peace be upon him.?  Quran states miracles by Jesus peace be upon him which includes bringing dead alive, creating clay of birds and giving life to them. These are very clear signs for one nation i thought.
#7
Assalamu alaikum the following excerpt from one of the articles i read on this forum: "It is noteworthy from a scriptural perspective, that in the past nations were utterly destroyed when they denied clearly proofs manifested to them. This has always been God's 'Sunna', His way." I wonder why then jews weren't destroyed when they were shown clear signs, miracles, by Jesus peace be upon him.?  Quran states miracles by Jesus peace be upon him which includes bringing dead alive, creating clay of birds and giving life to them. These are very clear signs for one nation i thought.