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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 25, 2016, 06:49:16 AM »
I notice that instead of focusing on the clear instruction by God to shun "faijtaniboo", you are focusing on ansaab instead.

I thought you're asking about Q[5:90].

The above is an instruction by God to shun therefore it is impermissible to do it!
As I mentioned before the word has been used for alcohol as well.

If you read my post, worshiping idols (associating partners with God) is impermissible because it has been made Haram by God, also is al-munkar, therefore, God instructs us to stay away (aijtaniboo) from it. Alcohol is impermissible because it is al-munker, and Quran tells us to stay away (aijtaniboo) from it.

I see there is a misunderstanding regarding my view on alcohol.

Part of my post:
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God forbids what is both good and bad, but only for the bad aspects of it:
They ask you of intoxicants and gambling. Tell them: "There is great enervation though profit in them for men; but their enervation is greater than benefit. And they ask you what they should give. Tell them: "The utmost you can spare." So does God reveal His signs: You may haply reflect. Q[2:219] O believers, this intoxicants and gambling, these idols, and these arrows you use for divination, are all acts of Satan; so keep away from them. You may haply prosper. Q[5:90]


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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 25, 2016, 02:05:53 AM »
Idol worshiping is Haram, an explicit statement in the Quran:"Say: 'Come, I will recite what your Lord has made Haram for you: that you associate not anything with Him,......" Q[6:151]; Idol worshiping is associating partners with God, thus Haram.

"faijtaniboo" is used in Q[5:90] for "ansaab" which according to Arabic-English lexicon means stones erected in front of idols, and used to sacrifice/slaughter animals on them or by them and which became red by the blood of animals. An other instance of this word (ansaab, nusub) is used in Q[5:3] "مَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى ٱلنُّصُبِ (= What is slayed on nusub or erected stone)", which support this meaning.

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General Discussions / Re: POV Question
« on: January 24, 2016, 06:53:37 AM »
Peace to All

(lame greens in italic are mine)

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This might seem like a strange question, but many verses, such as 27:91, switch to Muhammad's point of view abruptly with no apparent transition. This verse isn't directing Muhammad so say anything, it seems to be directly said by him. Some people use this to say he wrote the Quran himself, because parts of it are seemingly written from his point of view. What are the views of other members on this?


I am commanded to worship the Lord of this land He has blessed, to whom all things belong; and I am commanded to be one of those who submit, And (means, it continuous) to recite the Qur'an." Whoever comes to guidance does so for himself; as for him who stays astray, then tell him (means, in addition to what you have said previously i.e. I am commanded to worship th...., therefore the previous verses are not from Muhammad's POV): "I am only a warner." Q[27:91,92]


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Also, another question relating to this: Verses like 95:1 talk about God swearing on His creation. Is this actually God swearing, or Muhammad? Why would God swear on His creation and whose point of view are these verses from?

By the Fig and the Olive, And the Mount of Sinai, And this City of security,- We have indeed created man (means, God is the creator of man according to the Quran, therefore, God swearing not Muhammad) in the best of mould, Q[95:1-4]

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 24, 2016, 06:19:46 AM »

In the above illustration the circle shows all possible activities, foods, items etc. Each color indicates a category that a deed or item may fall into according to its nature.

In Quran [7:157], we read the following:

Who follow the messenger, the gentile Prophet, described in the Torah and the Gospel, who bids things noble and forbids things vile, makes Halal what is clean, and makes Haram what is foul, who relieves them of their burdens, and the yoke that lies upon them. Those who believe and honor and help him, and follow the light sent with him, are those who will attain their goal.

Q[7:157], describes what the Prophet does:
  • Bids/commands things noble/good (يَأْمُرُهُم بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ)
  • Forbids things vile (يَنْهَىٰهُمْ عَنِ ٱلْمُنكَرِ)
  • Makes Halal what is clean/pure (يُحِلُّ لَهُمُ ٱلطَّيِّبَـٰتِ)
  • Makes Haram what is foul/wicked/deceitful (يُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلْخَبَـٰٓئِثَ)
  • Relives of the burdens (عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَٱلْأَغْلَـٰلَ ٱلَّتِى كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ)


Since Prophet is obligated to follow the Quran, I will briefly explain 4 of them using Quran below:

1 - Bids things noble/good

God bids/commands what is good:
Verily God has enjoined justice, the doing of good, and the giving of gifts to your relatives; and forbidden indecency, impropriety and oppression. He warns you so that you may remember. Q[16:90]

God also bids/commands what is both good and bad, But only for the good aspects of it:
And fight those (who fight you) wheresoever you find them, and expel them from the place they had turned you out from. Oppression is worse than killing. Do not fight them by the Holy Mosque unless they fight you there. If they do, then slay them: Such is the requital for unbelievers. Q[2:191]

I've failed to find a good example of something which is neutral (neither good nor bad), and enjoined by God, and of course, God does not bid/command what is bad and harmful.

2 - Forbids things vile

God forbids what is bad:
Verily God has enjoined justice, the doing of good, and the giving of gifts to your relatives; and forbidden indecency, impropriety and oppression. He warns you so that you may remember. Q[16:90]

O you who believe, avoid most suspicions: Some suspicions are indeed sins. So do not pry into others' secrets and do not backbite. Would any of you like to eat a dead brother's flesh? You would surely be revolted by it Then fear God. He is certainly forgiving and kind. Q[49:12]

God forbids what is both good and bad, but only for the bad aspects of it:
They ask you of intoxicants and gambling. Tell them: "There is great enervation though profit in them for men; but their enervation is greater than benefit. And they ask you what they should give. Tell them: "The utmost you can spare." So does God reveal His signs: You may haply reflect. Q[2:219] O believers, this intoxicants and gambling, these idols, and these arrows you use for divination, are all acts of Satan; so keep away from them. You may haply prosper. Q[5:90]

I've failed to find a good example of something which is neutral (neither good nor bad).

3 - Makes Halal what is clean/pure

In order to make something Halal, first, it must be haram, or there must be a group of people that already made that thing Haram and not practicing it, otherwise there would be no sense to make something halal while people are, without any doubt, considering it as something which is not Haram and practicing it; unless for confirmation or clearing doubts about it. Also it must be something pure/clean/good.

O you who believe, fulfill your obligations. Made Halal (as food) for you are animals except those mentioned (here); but Haram during Pilgrimage is game. God ordains whatsoever He wills. Q[5:1]

They ask you what is lawful for them. Say: "All things are Halal for you that are clean, and what the trained hunting animals take for you as you have trained then, in the light of God's teachings, but read over them the name of God, and fear (straying from the path of) God, for God is swift in the reckoning." Q[5:4]


Q[5:1] and Q[5:4] are either confirmatory or making something Halal which has already been Haram. (We can expect that people practiced eating meat of those animals, clean foods and hunting before Quran)

I (have come to) confirm the truth of the Torah which was sent down before me, and make certain things Halal which have been Haram until now; and I come to you with a sign from your Lord; so be fearful of God and follow me. Q[3:50]


Q[3:50], making things Halal which have been Haram, therefore nothing confirmatory.

4 - Makes Haram what is foul/wicked/deceitful

Whether something is already considered Haram or Halal, there have to be a clear explicit statement from God for that certain action or item to be labeled Haram, see Q[6:150,144].

As I've shown in the illustration, Haram can include, Good and clean things, bad and wrong things, neutral things, and that which may have both good and bad aspects.

Haram to you are carrion and blood, and the flesh of the swine, and whatsoever has been killed in the name of some other than God, and whatever has been strangled, or killed by a blow or a fall, or by goring, or that which has been mauled by wild beasts unless slaughtered while still alive; and that which has been slaughtered at altars, and also dividing the meat by casting lots with arrows. All this is sinful. Today the unbelievers have lost every hope of (despoiling) your creed; so do not fear them, fear Me. Today I have perfected your system of belief and bestowed My favours upon you in full, and have chosen submission as the creed for you. If one of you is driven by hunger without the evil intent of sinning, then God is forgiving and kind. Q[5:3]

From Q[5:3],
  • Carrion, blood may fall into the category of "Bad/Wrong/Harmful/nonsensical" in the illustration and overlapped by the "red" shape.
  • The Flesh of the swine, and whatsoever has been killed in the name of some other than God may fall in to the category of "Good/Right/Beneficial", because by mentioning name of false god(s) does not make the food physically impure, and because made Haram by God, therefore overlapped by the red shape.
  • Animals which has been strangled, or killed by a blow or a fall, or by goring my fall under the category of "neutral" or "mix" or even "Bad, and overlapped by the red shape for being Haram.

In Q[4:23], Marrying with Foster Sister may fall under the category of either "neutral" or "Good/Right/Beneficial", overlapped by the red shape in the illustration.
In Q[6:151], All falls under category of "Bad/Wrong/Harmful/nonsensical, overlapped by the red shape in the illustration"

For wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We made unlawful for them [certain] good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their averting from the way of God many [people], Q[4:160]

Q[4:160], clearly states that God can make good things Haram if He wills.



As I've proven by use of Quranic verses that, Haram less thing to do with Bad and Good, more with God's will and command. Therefore, Haram in my view, is a set of deeds and/or items which God makes it Forbidden for a certain group of people, differs from one Prophet to another, and they don't have to have any [rational/scientific] reason(s) behind them. Marrying Animals and consuming alcohol are in the category of "al-munkar" and not Haram, that is why Quran uses the word(s)/term "faijtaniboo" (=stay away) which does the second duty {=2 - Forbids things vile (يَنْهَىٰهُمْ عَنِ ٱلْمُنكَرِ)} instead of "Hurrimat AAalaykum" (=made Haram for you) which would be the fourth one {=4 - Makes Haram what is foul/wicked/deceitful (يُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلْخَبَـٰٓئِثَ)}.

The above paragraph and the illustration, show my "strange" concepts regarding Halal/Haram.

I'm always open to change my view, in the light of good coherent arguments or a better understanding than what I've provided above.

I apologize for the length of my post. Thanks.

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but i am still doubtful...so...does zakat mean...tax?..and we live in India...there is no such tax for believers or non-believers...we jus have to pay tax as per our income...is that ok?...and women are exempted from paying upto some level...so...does zakat implies in India?

Zakat means regular tax per income. It depends on one's ability and circumstances; if the government takes it from you, then it implies and if the government doesn't want any tax from you, then it does not imply.

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...we do give sadaqah...jus clear this doubt...

Sadaqah is what you can afford, there is no regulation, must be paid whenever there is need for it, and must be paid to:
1 - The poor
2 - The needy
3 - Those that are involved in the collection of sadaqah/alms
4 - Those whose hearts have been reconciled (New believers)
5 - Freeing of the captives
6 - Those in debt
7 - In the way of God
8 - The wayfarer

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My dad is an atheist. He was believer earlier when he was young. Continuous deaths in his family made him an atheist.
I'v found the answers given by other members of the forum consolatory regarding your father. I don't really think that he is an actual atheist. A theist believes in God and love God, your father seems to believe in God and hate God. The only difference is the feeling not the belief. this is your duty to try, although guidance depends on the will of God. You must work on that.

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are we allowed to eat prashads...like...In india...they give...prashads...like they go to temple...and some eatables are provided to their idols...and they give to others...are we allowed to eat them...when my friends offer them to me?
According to the Quran, meat dedicated to the idols is Haram, those eatables might be similar to the meat of animals scarified before the idols before and during Prophet Muhammad's ministry.

Regarding your main/real question:
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will i meet my husband and family in hereafter?
The Quran talks about hereafter in a symbolic language, and we really don't know how it will be. But, you will have all what you want/desire there.

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The following articles may help:

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cnt i observe funeral prayer if my dad passes away?...can you please tell me?...can i attend the funeral?
Funeral: http://quransmessage.com/articles/preparing%20the%20dead%20body%20for%20burial%20and%20the%20quran's%20perspectiv3.htm

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Are we not allowed to enter temples or churches?
Statues: http://quransmessage.com/articles/are%20statues%20and%20images%20unlawful%20FM3.htm
Idolatry: http://quransmessage.com/articles/idolatry%20according%20to%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm

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Can we pray while sitting?
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how should we pray...should we follow the hadees way of praying?
Prayer: http://quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20without%20hadith%20FM3.htm

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is there any things called makhru?
Makruh, Mubah, Sunnat, Wajeb etc, these are non-Quranic doctrines.
Some Commandments of God: http://quransmessage.com/articles/commandments%20FM3.htm

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and what does it mean by...lower your gaze?...does that mean that...we should not look at men or..men should not look at women?...can you please tell...
Interaction: http://quransmessage.com/articles/free%20mixing%20or%20righteous%20interaction%20FM3.htm

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does quran encourages killings of non-believers?...can we be friends with non believers?...I have many frnds...who are not muslims..bt indeed very good friends
Killing non-believers: http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/a%20message%20of%20peace%20or%20to%20live%20by%20the%20sword%20FM3.htm
Kufr: http://quransmessage.com/articles/understanding%20kufr%20FM3.htm
Surah 9: http://quransmessage.com/articles/surah%20tauba%20FM3.htm
A similar Question: http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=260.0

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How much zakat should we given?...is there any percentage?...can we give zakat to non-believers?
Zakah: http://quransmessage.com/articles/zakah%20FM3.htm
Sadagah: http://quransmessage.com/articles/sadaqah%20FM3.htm

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when should we break our fast?
Fasting: http://quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20till%20night%20FM3.htm

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what is the time of fajr prayer?
Time of Fajr: http://quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20and%20ramadan%20FM3.htm

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General Discussions / Quran[4:25] and Q[4:15]
« on: January 22, 2016, 12:16:06 AM »
Peace to all

If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. Q[4:15]

If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God has full knowledge about your faith. You are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they commit lewdness, their punishment is half that for free women. This is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that you practice self-restraint. And God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Q[4:25]

In Q[4:15], punishment for lewdness is lifetime prison, and in Q[4:24] half of lifetime prison. How do we know what/how-much is half of lifetime prison when we don't know when a person/woman will die?

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 21, 2016, 09:46:37 PM »
I totally disagree. God first of all knows everything. To the very inner thoughts. To God the actions and the belief in Him is what counts. To humans its more of the actions that count. We only know people by their actions.

I don't see any disagreement between me and you.

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَيَبْلُوَنَّكُمُ ٱللَّهُ بِشَىْءٍۢ مِّنَ ٱلصَّيْدِ تَنَالُهُۥٓ أَيْدِيكُمْ وَرِمَاحُكُمْ لِيَعْلَمَ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَخَافُهُۥ بِٱلْغَيْبِ ۚ فَمَنِ ٱعْتَدَىٰ بَعْدَ ذَ‌ٰلِكَ فَلَهُۥ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌۭ
5:94

You can take Q[5:94] as an analogy. God knows everything, but also tests us to make it clear. i.e God inspires the good and the bad in us, then tests us are we good and moral and choosing the good or the bad?

In verses 91:7-8 The soul recognizes what is bad for it and what is good for it. God has inspired this in the soul. Hence a choice has to be made which means freewill. A person is successful or rewarded if he keeps on purifying himself with good choices and works. And a person is in loss when corrupting himself by bad choices and works.

Exactly, I don't have any disagreement, that is what I meant.

The freewill is believing in Gods commands and doing good deeds or the opposite. This is not being programmed. A person can actually not like to go against his own desires, weaknesses or sacrifice from his life time and wealth. But he/she does it out of fear and freewill to God.

And there might be times were a person likes and enjoys doing good things for the sake of humanity. While omitting God when he/she is aware may not be so acceptable.

God's commands are only in the Quran, but God did not specify all good and bad deeds in the Quran. God has inspired most of the good deeds and the bad deeds as you said "God has inspired this in the soul". That is what I was saying, we must not seek the whole list of bad deeds and good deeds in the Quran.

Both God's commands which specify for us the good and the bad and God's inspirations which carry the same task (specifying the good and the bad), must be followed. And of course, the good deeds both from revelation (in the Quran) and inspiration (in the soul) must be performed for the sake of God only and not for the sake of ostentation; and the bad deeds both from revelation (in the Quran) and inspiration (in the soul) must be avoided for the sake of God only and not for the sake of ostentation.

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 21, 2016, 08:13:58 AM »
Ps. Slavery is out of the question as it contradicts the main message of the Quran: being a servant/slave to G-D alone !

There is a fundamental and huge difference between selling a human being like an animal in the market and being a servant/slave of God.

Cannibalism aside, you said that marrying animals is halal !
This is a lie.

The reason for those being Halal is because I can't find anywhere in the Quran any clear statement that says cannibalism and marrying animals are Haram. If you are claiming that they are Haram, then bring your evidence from revelation of God.


قُل لَّآ أَجِدُ فِى مَآ أُوحِىَ إِلَىَّ مُحَرَّمًا عَلَىٰ طَاعِمٍۢ يَطْعَمُهُۥٓ إِلَّآ أَن يَكُونَ مَيْتَةً أَوْ دَمًۭا مَّسْفُوحًا أَوْ لَحْمَ خِنزِيرٍۢ فَإِنَّهُۥ رِجْسٌ أَوْ فِسْقًا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ ٱللَّهِ بِهِۦ ۚ فَمَنِ ٱضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍۢ وَلَا عَادٍۢ فَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ غَفُورٌۭ رَّحِيمٌۭ


6:145


 وَٱلْمُحْصَنَـٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُكُمْ ۖ كِتَـٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ ۚ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَآءَ ذَ‌ٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُوا۟ بِأَمْوَ‌ٰلِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـٰفِحِينَ ۚ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِۦ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَٔاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةًۭ ۚ وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَ‌ٰضَيْتُم بِهِۦ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًۭا

4:24

Q[6:145] and Q[4:24] clearly show that Halal is the default state. Eating flesh of man is not in Q[6:145], therefore no reason to say cannibalism is Haram. Animals are not included in Q[4:24], then for what reason you're labeling it as Haram? Q[6:145] also clearly shows that for Haram we need a statement from God. Q[4:24] clearly shows that anything which is not Haram is Halal.

When Quran declares something Halal, that is only for confirmation. Sometimes when Quran says "...not made Halal..." or "...It is not Halal for you...", in this case it means God is not confirming, therefore it can be classified as Haram.

Define halal

Anything which has not declared by God "Haram" is Halal and does not mean "allowed".





ولا تقولوا لما تصف السنتكم الكذب هذا حلل وهذا حرام
لتفتروا على الله الكذب ان الذين يفترون على الله الكذب لا يفلحون


16:116


Cannibalism aside, you said that marrying animals is Haram!
This is a lie.

Define Haram!

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:38:30 AM »
Say what, again ?!!

Marrying animals is halal (=allowed by G-D) ?!?!

You must be outta your mind, attributing gibberish to G-D ! :/

Marrying animals is Halal? Yes, but not allowed by God, just like alcohol is Halal, but not allowed by God. Alcohol is not allowed because God tells us in the Quran to avoid it for our own good and Marrying animals is not allowed not because God directly tells us in the Quran but God has given us the ability to recognize good and bad by using our brains. I emphasized on this a lot:

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Can we do something which is bad/wrong/harmful but not Haram? No
Q[91:8,9,10]

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according to Q[91:8-10], we, humans, know what is right and what is wrong, and also from experience and/or science we know what type of food/drink is harmful and what type of food/drink is harmless or beneficial, without any need for a book from God. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the whole list of good and bad in the Quran.

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Honestly, if a person does something only because God said so, and avoids something only because God said so, then how do we and/or God know that he/she is a good person and has some goodness/ethic inside him/her? he/she is just like a programmed robot without freewill and faculties to distinguish between right and wrong, and choose and act accordingly.

Slavery is another good example beside alcohol. You can not find a single verse or statement in the Quran that makes slavery Haram, but slavery is as "gibberish" as marrying animals; do you like to sell human beings like cattle in a market? I don't

I'm not out of my mind, I just don't want to label things Haram, I have no right to do so.

I think, the difference between me and you is that you exclusively rely on scripture and I on both scripture and reason. I don't marry animals not because God made it Haram (because He did not), rather because God has given me the ability to instinctively disfavor and avoid it. Q[91:8][1]


[1]   فَأَلْهَمَهَا فُجُورَهَا وَتَقْوَىٰهَا

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram?
« on: January 21, 2016, 01:56:15 AM »
But, the list of haram on its own is incomplete.
The list of halal must be included to see the full picture.

E.g., halal in marriage ? Ie. Who am i allowed to marry ?!?

Answer: المومنت from المحصنت andor ملك اليمين
+ do we correctly identify these two categories in our daily life ?!

Ye get the point.

I have already addressed that:
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according to Q[91:8-10], we, humans, know what is right and what is wrong, and also from experience and/or science we know what type of food/drink is harmful and what type of food/drink is harmless or beneficial, without any need for a book from God. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the whole list of good and bad in the Quran. Some of acts/foods which are not Haram but wrong/harmful are mentioned in the Quran; for instance, God has not declared intoxicates and gambling Haram, but for some given reasons (Q[5:91], Q[2:219]) wants us to avoid them for our own good (Q[5:90]). I think, to be a good ethical person, one should not just stick to the commands of God and/or pressure of society.

The most important thing to know about Haram and Halal:
  • Haram is not = bad/wrong/harmful*
  • Halal is not = good/beneficial**

* Pork is not bad/harmful, people from all around the world eat it and still healthy.
** Alcohol/drug is Halal, because it is not declared Haram, but not good/beneficial, that is why God wants us to avoid it..

Withal, by your logic, just because G-D didn't explicitly forbid marrying animals, it should be considered/labeled "halal"!!!

Marrying animals is Halal*, but it does not mean we can marry them. We instinctively know it is not good, Q[91:8]. Cannibalism is not Haram*, but In Q[49:9], God expects us that we instinctively dislike doing that, and He uses that as an analogy. Honestly, if a person does something only because God said so, and avoids something only because God said so, then how do we and/or God know that he/she is a good person and have some goodness/ethic inside him/her? he/she is just like a programmed robot without freewill and faculties to distinguish between right and wrong, and choose and act accordingly.

*Although, God has made all sort of immorality/lewdness Haram, but immorality/lewdness is subjective.

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram
« on: January 20, 2016, 01:06:39 PM »
My apologies for forgetting to add some of which is not Halal. Because I can't edit/modify, I have to add them here.

Concerning divorce, Q[2:228, 229, 230]
Forced Marriage, Q[4:19]


Hisham (Hicham9):
Everything which is not declared as Haram or "not Halal" in the Quran is Halal, but it does not mean that we must do/eat all of them.
As I said
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Can we do something which is bad/wrong/harmful but not Haram? No, Q[91:8,9,10]
according to Q[91:8-10], we, humans, know what is right and what is wrong, and also from experience and/or science we know what type of food/drink is harmful and what type of food/drink is harmless or beneficial, without any need for a book from God. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the whole list of good and bad in the Quran. Some of acts/foods which are not Haram but wrong/harmful are mentioned in the Quran; for instance, God has not declared intoxicates and gambling Haram, but for some given reasons (Q[5:91], Q[2:219]) wants us to avoid them for our own good (Q[5:90]). I think, to be a good ethical person, one should not just stick to the commands of God and/or pressure of society.

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General Discussions / What is Haram
« on: January 20, 2016, 02:57:53 AM »
Haram from the Quran:

Acts/deeds:
  • Associating partners with God
  • Disrespect to parents
  • Murder
  • War and hunting (only land animals) during four months of Hajj
  • Adultery, Fornication and other immoralities
  • Taking Usury/interest
  • Consuming orphan's property unjustly
  • Cheating in business
  • Not speaking Justly
Q[6:151], Q[6:152], Q[5:96], Q[2:275], Q[9:36]

Foods:
  • dead meat
  • Blood
  • Pork
  • Animals sacrificed for other [false] god(s)
  • Animals which has been strangled, killed by blow or in a fall, gored to death, or eaten by wild animals
  • Meat divided by casting lots
Q[5:3]

Marriage:
  • Mothers
  • Step-Mothers
  • Daughters
  • Sisters
  • Father's sisters
  • Mother's sisters
  • Brother's daughters
  • Sister's daughters
  • Foster mothers
  • Foster Sisters
  • Wive's Mothers
  • Step-daughters (only if the step-father has already lain with her mother)
  • Son's wives
  • Two sisters simultaneously
  • Married women
Q[4:22,23,24]

Can we make/call/label something Haram? No
Q[5:87]
Can Prophet make/call/label something Haram? No
Q[66:1]
Who can make/call/label something Haram? only God
Q[6:150]
Can we do something which is bad/wrong/harmful but not Haram? No
Q[91:8,9,10]

Members are welcome/free to share their thoughts on this topic.

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Here's how a جني looks like.

But, by that definition, how do you explain these verses?

Q[27:38-40]
Q[72:8-9]
Q[34:12-15]
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The term used in 15:28 is NOT جن but جان  !!!
Learn the difference, brother.

That word means "the father of Jinn" according to dictionary.

These are humans talking,
not "genies"

How?
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Why does Quran refer to Jinn and Ins separately? If they are no different, then why just not calling them "Ins" or "Jinn" rather than "Ins" and "Jinn".

But we do think that no "Ins" and "Jinn" should say aught that untrue against God. Q[72:5]

Then which of the favours of your Lord will you (dual plural) deny. Q[55:xx]

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