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General Discussions / Re: The Existence of Jinnaat in Islamic Point of View

« on: January 18, 2016, 06:24:11 AM »

Because, to my knowledge, the term is used as an epithet in the Qurān.

What noun in english do you see as the equivalent of QA. جن  ?

Plz don't say "genie" !

It doesn't matter, description is important not the name/title. The way the Quran describes them, it looks like they are different than humans. For instance:

We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; Q[15:27]
And the Jinn, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind. Q[15:28]

Or

And we [the Jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. Q[72:8]
'We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. Q[72:9]

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General Discussions / Re: The Existence of Jinnaat in Islamic Point of View

« on: January 18, 2016, 05:42:28 AM »

Salute @Sardar,

How does the article you recommend translate adj. جن  ?

Why do you think this word is an adjective rather than a noun?

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General Discussions / Believers and Submitters

« on: January 15, 2016, 02:27:00 AM »

Peace to all

The Arabs say, "We have believed." Say, "You have not believed; but say, 'We have submitted,' for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey God and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. Indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful." Q[49:14]^[1]
The believers are only the ones who have believed in God and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of God. It is those who are the truthful. Q[49:15]^[2]
Say, "Would you acquaint God with your religion while God knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth, and God is Knowing of all things?" Q[49:16]^[3]
They consider it a favor to you that they have Submitted. Say, "Do not consider your Submission a favor to me. Rather, God has conferred favor upon you that He has guided you to the faith, if you should be truthful." Q[49:17]^[4]

Is there a contradiction in Q[49:14] and Q[49:17]? In Q[49:14], it says "faith has not yet entered your hearts" and in Q[49:17], to the same audience, Arabs, it says "God has conferred favor upon you that He has guided you to the faith". Or Believers and Submitters are the same, with no difference at all? Any thoughts?

Thanks

^[1]   قَالَتِ ٱلْأَعْرَابُ ءَامَنَّا ۖ قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا۟ وَلَـٰكِن قُولُوٓا۟ أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ ٱلْإِيمَـٰنُ فِى قُلُوبِكُمْ ۖ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَـٰلِكُمْ شَيْـًٔا ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌۭ رَّحِيمٌ
^[2]   إِنَّمَا ٱلْمُؤْمِنُونَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِۦ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا۟ وَجَـٰهَدُوا۟ بِأَمْوَ‌ٰلِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِى سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلصَّـٰدِقُونَ
^[3]   قُلْ أَتُعَلِّمُونَ ٱللَّهَ بِدِينِكُمْ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَ‌ٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ ۚ وَٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمٌۭ
^[4]   يَمُنُّونَ عَلَيْكَ أَنْ أَسْلَمُوا۟ ۖ قُل لَّا تَمُنُّوا۟ عَلَىَّ إِسْلَـٰمَكُم ۖ بَلِ ٱللَّهُ يَمُنُّ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ هَدَىٰكُمْ لِلْإِيمَـٰنِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَـٰدِقِينَ

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General Discussions / Re: The Existence of Jinnaat in Islamic Point of View

« on: January 14, 2016, 06:59:18 AM »

Contrary to popular belief,
both الجن and الانس are mortal humans ...

Can you explain how?

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General Discussions / Re: Ayat 65 Of Surat Nisa'i: We Owe This To The Prophet.

« on: January 12, 2016, 01:34:27 AM »

Peace Samson

If the using of "Abuse Hafsat" is not intentional, please correct it. It violates Forum policy: http://quransmessage.com/forum/policy

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General Discussions / Re: About telling Lie

« on: January 11, 2016, 01:22:18 AM »

According to Q[16:106], if lying and/or [possibly] blasphemy is allowed to save your own life, then there is no doubt about saving others life (i.e. relatives or any innocent). This can not be applied on criminals because it goes against Q[4:135]^[1]. Also sometime one must choose between bad and worst.

^[1]   يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ كُونُوا۟ قَوَّ‌ٰمِينَ بِٱلْقِسْطِ شُهَدَآءَ لِلَّهِ وَلَوْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَوِ ٱلْوَ‌ٰلِدَيْنِ وَٱلْأَقْرَبِينَ ۚ إِن يَكُنْ غَنِيًّا أَوْ فَقِيرًۭا فَٱللَّهُ أَوْلَىٰ بِهِمَا ۖ فَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا۟ ٱلْهَوَىٰٓ أَن تَعْدِلُوا۟ ۚ وَإِن تَلْوُۥٓا۟ أَوْ تُعْرِضُوا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًۭا

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General Discussions / Re: About telling Lie

« on: January 10, 2016, 09:41:46 AM »

Peace

In two cases:

• Compelled to commit apostasy, Q[16:106]^[1]
• Espionage to defend the community, Q[3:28]^[2]

There is on extra case which is not a serious matter, Q[21:63]^[3].

^[1]   مَن كَفَرَ بِٱللَّهِ مِنۢ بَعْدِ إِيمَـٰنِهِۦٓ إِلَّا مَنْ أُكْرِهَ وَقَلْبُهُۥ مُطْمَئِنٌّۢ بِٱلْإِيمَـٰنِ وَلَـٰكِن مَّن شَرَحَ بِٱلْكُفْرِ صَدْرًۭا فَعَلَيْهِمْ غَضَبٌۭ مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌۭ
^[2]   لَّا يَتَّخِذِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنُونَ ٱلْكَـٰفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَ‌ٰلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ فِى شَىْءٍ إِلَّآ أَن تَتَّقُوا۟ مِنْهُمْ تُقَىٰةًۭ ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ ٱللَّهُ نَفْسَهُۥ ۗ وَإِلَى ٱللَّهِ ٱلْمَصِيرُ
^[3]   قَالَ بَلْ فَعَلَهُۥ كَبِيرُهُمْ هَـٰذَا فَسْـَٔلُوهُمْ إِن كَانُوا۟ يَنطِقُونَ

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 05, 2016, 02:09:05 AM »

Peace Mia

I've already posted my view regarding Hicham9's reply in the previous thread.

Here is the summary:

The problem is not the word "سُطِحَتْ", rather it is the translation of the word "ٱلْأَرْضِ" that makes the problem. According classic lexicons, "ٱلْأَرْضِ" means, surface of the earth, ground, soil, dirt, land, etc etc. Planet earth or Earth (with capital E) is something new. Therefore, it is not honest to translate or interpret "ٱلْأَرْضِ" as "planet earth" or "Earth".

Do they not then look ... at the earth how was it flattened/leveled ?

To say planet earth is flat based on this verses is like judging a picture by looking at one pixel. Planet earth is the picture and what the 7th century Arab is looking at is the pixel.
Lets change the verse and see what happens.

Do they not then look ... at the Earth/planet_earth how was it made spherical.

The above verse would be incorrect, because according to the context (Q[88:17-20]), a 7th century Arab could not possibly see a sphere from his standing position.

For earth being stationary, Q[13:2] and Q[55:5] say nothing explicit. In Q[27:61], translating the word "قَرَارًۭا" to "a fixed place" is possible but not necessary.

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General Discussions / Re: The Quran supports a Geocentric view of the universe?

« on: January 05, 2016, 01:25:24 AM »

Peace to All

The argument of Bro Lobotomize94, is same as the argument of flat Earth. People always use Q[88:20] to prove Quran supports Earth is flat. Here is what it says:

1 - Do they not look at the camels, how they were created? Q[88:17]
2 - And at the Sky, how it is raised high? Q[88:18]
3 - And at the Mountains, how they are fixed firm? Q[88:19]
4 - And on the earth how was it outstretched? Q[88:20]

The verses clearly not talking about modern men orbiting the Earth and watching from a space station, rather Arabs with their camels in a desert. Now, what do they see if they look?

1 - If they look at their right or left, they will see their camels.
2 - If they look above, they will see a blue sky.
3 - If they look around, they probably see mountains.
4 - If they look below, they will see the ground/surface of the earth or the desert.

Translating the word "الارض" to Earth (with capital E) is not really honest thing to do, because the Arab man can't see it, he can only see the surface of it not the whole planet.

As for Geocentric of the universe, imagine this:
1 - Muhammad comes and claims, I'm messenger of God. People: You're a liar, but maybe!
2 - Muhammad who is already a liar in the eyes of his people, claims and makes a clear statement that earth is a planet. People: You're a liar and we have no doubt about it!

As for 1, Muhammad can provide some arguments and convince his people, because this is his job.
As for 2, Muhammad can not prove his statement and he shouldn't have to, because this is not his job. The difference between a scientist and a prophet/messenger is like a hardware specialist and a software developer, respectively.

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General Discussions / Quran [33:60-62]

« on: January 04, 2016, 01:23:14 AM »

Salaam to All

Here is the translation of Quran[33:60-62]:

If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in al-Madinah do not cease, We will surely incite you against them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little.
Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely.
[This is] the established way of God with those who passed on before; and you will not find in the way of God any change.

According to Quran[5:32], death penalty is only allowed for case of murder and corruption in the land. Spreading rumors and being a hypocrite clearly is not act of murder, does Quran consider the act of Spreading rumors and state of being a hypocrite corruption in the land?

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General Discussions / Re: Ayat 65 Of Surat Nisa'i: We Owe This To The Prophet.

« on: January 04, 2016, 01:06:39 AM »

Salaam dear Abu Hafsat

First of all, I must say we need to understand this verse in its own context and surrounding verses.
[The key points are in Bold Red and Bold]

All the messengers We sent were meant to be obeyed by God's leave. If they had come to you and sought forgiveness from God whenever they wronged themselves, and the Messenger had prayed for forgiveness for them, they would have found that God is ever-forgiving and merciful. Q[4:64]^[1]

By your Lord, they will not be true believers until they seek your arbitration in their disputes and find within themselves no doubt about what you decide and accept it wholeheartedly. Q[4:65]^[2]

If We had commanded them, "Lay down your lives or leave your dwellings," they would have not done it, save a few of them. If they had done what they were instructed to do, it would have been better for them, as well as more strengthening [for their faith], Q[4:66]^[3]

From Q[4:64-66], we can conclude the following:

A messenger of God as a messenger (not as a head of state) must be obeyed by God's leave, But as a head of state he must by obeyed in that which is right (i.e. accepted by society and are not against God's command), see Q[60:12]^[4]. Therefore, Prophet (pbuh) can judge between people in their disputes as long as he is alive, by the Quran (what God has sent down) and by what is accepted by society "maAAroof", because he was both head of state and messenger of God.

We can obey our Prophet (pbuh) as messenger of God by following what God has sent down which is the Quran. But, we can not obey him as a head of state, because he is no longer alive and no longer head of state. If you noticed Q[4:64], it says "the Messenger had prayed for forgiveness for them", now if messenger in not alive how can he ask forgiveness for us or judge between our disputes?

Obeying the Messenger or making him Judge does not imply following the Sunnah or Prophetic Traditions, because there is an inconsistency here. Quran says:

Believers, obey God and obey the Messenger and those who have been entrusted with authority among you. If you are in dispute over any matter, refer it to God and the Messenger, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day: this is best, and best in the end. Q[4:59]^[5]

If "obey the Messenger" equals to "compiling sayings and actions of the Messenger and acting according to it even centuries after his death", then for sake consistency you must not have any problem to agree with me that "obey those in authority among you" equals to "compiling sayings and actions of those in authority among us acting according to it even centuries after their death". Imagine, thousands of kings, Emirs, Presidents have passed and will come.

^[1]   وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا لِيُطَاعَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۚ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذ ظَّلَمُوا أَنفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ لَوَجَدُوا اللَّهَ تَوَّابًا رَّحِيمًا
^[2]   فَلَا وَرَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّىٰ يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لَا يَجِدُوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
^[3]   وَلَوْ أَنَّا كَتَبْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ أَنِ اقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ أَوِ اخْرُجُوا مِن دِيَارِكُم مَّا فَعَلُوهُ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ مِّنْهُمْ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ فَعَلُوا مَا يُوعَظُونَ بِهِ لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَّهُمْ وَأَشَدَّ تَثْبِيتًا
^[4]   يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُؤْمِنَاتُ يُبَايِعْنَكَ عَلَىٰ أَن لَّا يُشْرِكْنَ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا يَسْرِقْنَ وَلَا يَزْنِينَ وَلَا يَقْتُلْنَ أَوْلَادَهُنَّ وَلَا يَأْتِينَ بِبُهْتَانٍ يَفْتَرِينَهُ بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِنَّ وَأَرْجُلِهِنَّ وَلَا يَعْصِينَكَ فِي مَعْرُوفٍ ۙ فَبَايِعْهُنَّ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُنَّ اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
^[5]   يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا

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General Discussions / Double Standard

« on: December 31, 2015, 02:50:07 AM »

Salaam to All

When I compare Quran[49:14]^[1] with other verses of the Quran which talk about hypocrites, it makes me a little bit confuse. According to Quran[63:1]^[2], hypocrites are those who claim to be believers but they are not. Quran[49:14] say something similar about 'Araab. Why Quran promise salvation for one group of hypocrites (Quran[49:14]) and not for the other group (Quran[63:1-x])?


^[1]   قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا ۖ قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَٰكِن قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ ۖ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
^[2]   إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ قَالُوا نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُ وَاللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ الْمُنَافِقِينَ لَكَاذِبُونَ

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General Discussions / The Meaning of Fitna

« on: December 18, 2015, 07:02:16 AM »

Salaam to All

The word Fitna is mostly interpreted as disbelieve to justify war against non-Muslims.

I have two questions:

• What is the meaning of Fitna from classic Arabic Dictionaries? It would be helpful if someone has all the possible meanings.
  
• What is the meaning of Fitna from the context of the Quranic verses? Which meaning of the word actually fit better in which verse, while taking in count the context?

Thanks in advance!

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General Discussions / Quran 24:31

« on: December 13, 2015, 02:42:07 AM »

Salaam to all

The video below explains the meaning of word "Kheemar" used in Quran[24:1]
https://youtu.be/AALgGKSnU2g

Are those claims made in the video regarding the meaning of the word from a linguistic perspective true?

An article in this website, explains the word "Kheemar", but does not cover claims made in the video.

Link: http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/a%20deeper%20look%20at%20the%20word%20khimar%20FM3.htm

Thanks in advance

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General Discussions / locating God in Time and Space

« on: November 22, 2015, 03:05:45 AM »

Salaam to all

I was reading an article titled "Time & Space"^[1], but there would be contradiction with Quran[67:16-17]^[2] and Quran[32:5]^[3].



^[1] PROBLEMS WITH LOCATING GOD IN TIME, SPACE AND AS PART OF HIS CREATION: http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/timeandspace%20FM3.htm
^[2] أَمْ أَمِنتُم مَّن فِي السَّمَاءِ أَن يُرْسِلَ عَلَيْكُمْ حَاصِبًا ۖ فَسَتَعْلَمُونَ كَيْفَ نَذِيرِ--- أَأَمِنتُم مَّن فِي السَّمَاءِ أَن يَخْسِفَ بِكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فَإِذَا هِيَ تَمُورُ
^[3] يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ