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General Discussions / Question for Brother Joseph Islam (or anyone else on here) regarding Quran 10:39
« on: August 27, 2023, 08:39:25 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum
Inshallah everyone is doing well. I have a question for Brother Joseph Islam or anyone else who knows the answer, regarding Surah 10 Ayah 38-39. This is in regards to brother Joseph's article "Produce a Surah like it" :
http://quransmessage.com/articles/produce%20a%20surah%20FM3.htm
In the article, he mentions that :
If possible, please provide more clarification on how the lack of knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran or the lack of being able to encompass the knowledge of the Quran, lead the Pagan Arabs to fail at meeting the challenge of the Quran? What is the ayah referring to when it mentions "knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran and being able to encompass its knowledge"?
Do we have enough knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran today and are we able to encompass its knowledge today so the Quranic challenge can be met? If not, doesn't that imply that the Quran is a miracle?
Thank you
May Allah Bless you all Insha Allah
Inshallah everyone is doing well. I have a question for Brother Joseph Islam or anyone else who knows the answer, regarding Surah 10 Ayah 38-39. This is in regards to brother Joseph's article "Produce a Surah like it" :
http://quransmessage.com/articles/produce%20a%20surah%20FM3.htm
In the article, he mentions that :
Quote
As is clear from the above verse, the reason that the challenge could never be met was not because the language of the Quran was far too superior for the them to emulate but because the 'bi'ilmihi walama yatihiim tawiluh' (knowledge of its interpretation) had not yet been completed nor could they yet encompass it's knowledge (bima lam yuhitu bi'ilmihi).
If possible, please provide more clarification on how the lack of knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran or the lack of being able to encompass the knowledge of the Quran, lead the Pagan Arabs to fail at meeting the challenge of the Quran? What is the ayah referring to when it mentions "knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran and being able to encompass its knowledge"?
Do we have enough knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran today and are we able to encompass its knowledge today so the Quranic challenge can be met? If not, doesn't that imply that the Quran is a miracle?
Thank you
May Allah Bless you all Insha Allah
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General Discussions / More questions for Joseph Islam: Biblical Prophecies regarding Prophet Muhammad
« on: October 13, 2019, 05:50:33 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum Brother Joseph Islam
This is a continuation of the discussion we were having in this thread:
http://www.quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2372.0
I decided to create a new thread and copy my latest post into this new thread to make it easier for everyone:
Here is my latest post:
Assalamu Alaykum brother Joseph Islam
Thank you for the reply and I apologize for the delay in response.
Basically this is how I understand your argument and please correct me if I am wrong:
The Ayah from the Quran is pretty much saying that in the Bible there are descriptions of the nature of a true prophet (and these could be spread around throughout the Old and New Testament), which do not necessarily mention nor describe the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) exclusively, but can be indicators that the prophet was a true Prophet of God.
Am I correct in my understanding of your argument?
If so, then my follow up question is this: How would the Jews and Christians be able to use those indicators to differentiate between the truthful nature of the Prophet's message vs some one else who might claim something similar? Let's say that Person X came around during the mission of our Prophet and claimed to be sent by Allah, Glorified be His Holy Name, how would the Jews and Christians be able to distinguish between which Prophet is the true Prophet and which one is a false one? There has to be some indicator in the Bible that would set apart our Prophet from any false claimants during his time or after his time. Or else, how would anyone be able to tell who is speaking the truth?
I hope you understand what I am trying to ask here. Basically, your argument, as interesting as it is, leaves an important question for the truth seeker: how does one use those indicators, as well as WHAT/WHERE are those indicators, that would lead one to necessarily conclude that the Prophet was sent by Allah?
I hope you can help me understand this better because for YEARS I Have been pondering on this question regarding the prophecies of the coming of our Prophet.
Fi Amaanillah
This is a continuation of the discussion we were having in this thread:
http://www.quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2372.0
I decided to create a new thread and copy my latest post into this new thread to make it easier for everyone:
Here is my latest post:
Assalamu Alaykum brother Joseph Islam
Thank you for the reply and I apologize for the delay in response.
Basically this is how I understand your argument and please correct me if I am wrong:
The Ayah from the Quran is pretty much saying that in the Bible there are descriptions of the nature of a true prophet (and these could be spread around throughout the Old and New Testament), which do not necessarily mention nor describe the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) exclusively, but can be indicators that the prophet was a true Prophet of God.
Am I correct in my understanding of your argument?
If so, then my follow up question is this: How would the Jews and Christians be able to use those indicators to differentiate between the truthful nature of the Prophet's message vs some one else who might claim something similar? Let's say that Person X came around during the mission of our Prophet and claimed to be sent by Allah, Glorified be His Holy Name, how would the Jews and Christians be able to distinguish between which Prophet is the true Prophet and which one is a false one? There has to be some indicator in the Bible that would set apart our Prophet from any false claimants during his time or after his time. Or else, how would anyone be able to tell who is speaking the truth?
I hope you understand what I am trying to ask here. Basically, your argument, as interesting as it is, leaves an important question for the truth seeker: how does one use those indicators, as well as WHAT/WHERE are those indicators, that would lead one to necessarily conclude that the Prophet was sent by Allah?
I hope you can help me understand this better because for YEARS I Have been pondering on this question regarding the prophecies of the coming of our Prophet.
Fi Amaanillah
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Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Question for Brother Joseph Islam regarding Biblical prophecies of Muhammad
« on: October 13, 2019, 02:26:32 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum brother Joseph Islam
Thank you for the reply and I apologize for the delay in response.
Basically this is how I understand your argument and please correct me if I am wrong:
The Ayah from the Quran is pretty much saying that in the Bible there are descriptions of the nature of a true prophet (and these could be spread around throughout the Old and New Testament), which do not necessarily mention nor describe the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) exclusively, but can be indicators that the prophet was a true Prophet of God.
Am I correct in my understanding of your argument?
If so, then my follow up question is this: How would the Jews and Christians be able to use those indicators to differentiate between the truthful nature of the Prophet's message vs some one else who might claim something similar? Let's say that Person X came around during the mission of our Prophet and claimed to be sent by Allah, Glorified be His Holy Name, how would the Jews and Christians be able to distinguish between which Prophet is the true Prophet and which one is a false one? There has to be some indicator in the Bible that would set apart our Prophet from any false claimants during his time or after his time. Or else, how would anyone be able to tell who is speaking the truth?
I hope you understand what I am trying to ask here. Basically, your argument, as interesting as it is, leaves an important question for the truth seeker: how does one use those indicators, as well as WHAT/WHERE are those indicators, that would lead one to necessarily conclude that the Prophet was sent by Allah?
I hope you can help me understand this better because for YEARS I Have been pondering on this question regarding the prophecies of the coming of our Prophet.
Fi Amaanillah
Thank you for the reply and I apologize for the delay in response.
Basically this is how I understand your argument and please correct me if I am wrong:
The Ayah from the Quran is pretty much saying that in the Bible there are descriptions of the nature of a true prophet (and these could be spread around throughout the Old and New Testament), which do not necessarily mention nor describe the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) exclusively, but can be indicators that the prophet was a true Prophet of God.
Am I correct in my understanding of your argument?
If so, then my follow up question is this: How would the Jews and Christians be able to use those indicators to differentiate between the truthful nature of the Prophet's message vs some one else who might claim something similar? Let's say that Person X came around during the mission of our Prophet and claimed to be sent by Allah, Glorified be His Holy Name, how would the Jews and Christians be able to distinguish between which Prophet is the true Prophet and which one is a false one? There has to be some indicator in the Bible that would set apart our Prophet from any false claimants during his time or after his time. Or else, how would anyone be able to tell who is speaking the truth?
I hope you understand what I am trying to ask here. Basically, your argument, as interesting as it is, leaves an important question for the truth seeker: how does one use those indicators, as well as WHAT/WHERE are those indicators, that would lead one to necessarily conclude that the Prophet was sent by Allah?
I hope you can help me understand this better because for YEARS I Have been pondering on this question regarding the prophecies of the coming of our Prophet.
Fi Amaanillah
Dear xsilentmurmurx
Wa alaikum assalam
Please kindly note the gist of the arguments I have made regarding this topic within my article and summarily repeated in my post above:
There are the possibility of references in the Bible that provide descriptions of a true prophet such as Prophet Muhammad and not a direct reference to the Prophet by a particular name. As you have already intimated, there are a plethora of writings that have tried to address this including references which include possible descriptions.
With regards the mention of Prophet Muhammad's name in the Bible, I have already noted:
"There is no need to assume that the mention of 'Ahmad' was ever captured by the Canon Gospels or wider New Testament literature. This may well have been a belief that was prevalent by a certain contingent of the People of the Book or present in an Apocrypha which is now not extant. The Quran could also be providing new information which may have not been known before as there is no reason to assume that every conversation of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was captured by the New Testament writers.
There also remains the possibility that due to Christian theology asserting Prophet Jesus (pbuh) as the final saviour to mankind, that any further reference of a law bearing Prophet or messenger to the gentiles was not deemed appropriate and therefore not captured by the Christian New Testament writers." [1]
Please kindly forgive me, but I cannot surmise further beyond what I feel is the remit of the information provided by the Quran on this topic.
Regards,
Joseph
REFERENCE:
[1] IS THE NAME 'AHMAD' FOUND IN THE BIBLE?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/ahmad%20FM3.htm
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General Discussions / Another pro-hadith article that I would like a response to
« on: November 05, 2017, 11:31:25 PM »
Assalamu Alaykum Brother Joseph Islam
I saw another article, written by a Salafi shaykh, in regards to proof of the necessity of following the Sunnah:
https://islamqa.info/en/604
I would love to read your thoughts on this article as well.
Also do you plan on updating your website with new articles as well as responses to any criticisms leveled against your articles?
thank you!
I saw another article, written by a Salafi shaykh, in regards to proof of the necessity of following the Sunnah:
https://islamqa.info/en/604
I would love to read your thoughts on this article as well.
Also do you plan on updating your website with new articles as well as responses to any criticisms leveled against your articles?
thank you!
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General Discussions / Re: Any thoughts on this pro Hadith article by Bassam Zawadi?
« on: September 25, 2017, 05:02:40 AM »Wa alaikum assalam
It has never been my view that the Prophet 'delivered the message' with the implication that he would simply impart the inspired 'words' he received from God as part of the Quran and walked away.
I have a dedicated post covering the general ambit of my view regarding this matter below:
WAS THE PROPHET OF GOD AKIN TO A POSTMAN WHO SIMPLY DELIVERS A MESSAGE?
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/247680292035772
I hope this helps, God willing
Joseph
Thank you for your reply. I saw another article, written by a Salafi shaykh, in regards to proof of the necessity of following the Sunnah:
https://islamqa.info/en/604
I would love to read your thoughts on this article as well.
Also do you plan on updating your website with new articles as well as responses to any criticisms leveled against your articles?
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General Discussions / Any thoughts on this pro Hadith article by Bassam Zawadi?
« on: July 03, 2017, 06:26:07 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum
I found this article by Bassam Zawadi:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_the_argument_that_the_only_duty_of_the_messenger_is_to_simply_deliver_the_qur_an
He strives to dismantle the core arguments of Quran-Centric/Quran Only Muslims. Brother Joseph Islam and others, any thoughts on the arguments presented in this article?
I found this article by Bassam Zawadi:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_the_argument_that_the_only_duty_of_the_messenger_is_to_simply_deliver_the_qur_an
He strives to dismantle the core arguments of Quran-Centric/Quran Only Muslims. Brother Joseph Islam and others, any thoughts on the arguments presented in this article?
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Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Question for Brother Joseph Islam regarding Biblical prophecies of Muhammad
« on: June 14, 2017, 09:09:26 AM »
Assalamu Alaykum
Thank you for your response. I do get what you are arguing, but doesnt the wording of the Ayah, when taken in isolation from any other ayaat, imply that there was some sort of description. that fit the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) perfectly, within the Bible, that the Jews and Christians of the Prophet's society were able to read and determine the truth of the Prophet's message? It doesnt have to be a specific name like how some apologists argue is in the song of solomon and etc. Maybe I am just repeating myself here.
Also, what are the descriptions of the true nature of a true prophet as per the Torah and Injil in your opinion?
Thank you once again for your response!
Thank you for your response. I do get what you are arguing, but doesnt the wording of the Ayah, when taken in isolation from any other ayaat, imply that there was some sort of description. that fit the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) perfectly, within the Bible, that the Jews and Christians of the Prophet's society were able to read and determine the truth of the Prophet's message? It doesnt have to be a specific name like how some apologists argue is in the song of solomon and etc. Maybe I am just repeating myself here.
Also, what are the descriptions of the true nature of a true prophet as per the Torah and Injil in your opinion?
Thank you once again for your response!
Dear xsilentmurmurx
Wa alaikum assalam
Ramadan Mubarak to you too and welcome to the forum!
Thank you for your question.
With all due respect, I trust that you will kindly appreciate that the burden of proof is not with me to prove that verse 7:157 is an exclusive reference to Prophet Muhammad's description only to be found within the Bible. In contrast, the burden of proof is with those that assert this claim and the implication, that no other prophet could possibly be referenced with this description found in both the Torah and Injeel.
I have detailed in my article [1] below why I feel that both verses 7:157 and 61:6 cannot be simply dovetailed and why they need to be understood in separate contexts.
As I mentioned in the article [1]:
Verse 7:157
- There is no mention of a name or a name that is captured by the Bible
- Mentions a gentile (ummi) prophet that is mentioned in the previous scriptures who enjoins good, forbids evil, makes lawful good things and provides a light of guidance which should be followed.
In conclusion, I noted:
"On the strength of verse 7:157 alone, what the Quran is likely referencing viz a viz the Bible are clear indications of the nature of a true Prophet such as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that should be followed and not a Prophet of a particular name." [2]
Regards,
Joseph
REFERENCE:
[1] IS THE NAME 'AHMAD' FOUND IN THE BIBLE?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/ahmad%20FM3.htm
[2] Ibid
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Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Question for Brother Joseph Islam regarding Biblical prophecies of Muhammad
« on: June 12, 2017, 05:22:49 PM »
Assalamu Alaykum Brother Joseph Islam
First off, I want to say Ramadan Mubarak to you and your loved ones. May Allah, Azza wa Jal, accept everyones fasting and ibadaat this holy month.
I have a question regarding the article you wrote a few years back, on your website, regarding the prophecy about the Prophet (PBUH)in the Torah and Gospel in relation to Surah 7:157. The article was actually about the name Ahmad and whether or not it appeared in the Bible. In that article you said that Surah 7:157 is implying that the description of a true prophet is what is mentioned in the previous scriptures. What is the proof that the Quran is only referring to the descriptive nature of a true prophet and not an actual description of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)? As you know already, hundreds of books and articles have been written trying to prove that such and such quote from the Bible is referring to the Prophet of Islam. The Jews and Christians always argue that against that. I found your article to be very interesting, but that question lingered in my mind and I am wondering what the proof of your argument happens to be?
First off, I want to say Ramadan Mubarak to you and your loved ones. May Allah, Azza wa Jal, accept everyones fasting and ibadaat this holy month.
I have a question regarding the article you wrote a few years back, on your website, regarding the prophecy about the Prophet (PBUH)in the Torah and Gospel in relation to Surah 7:157. The article was actually about the name Ahmad and whether or not it appeared in the Bible. In that article you said that Surah 7:157 is implying that the description of a true prophet is what is mentioned in the previous scriptures. What is the proof that the Quran is only referring to the descriptive nature of a true prophet and not an actual description of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)? As you know already, hundreds of books and articles have been written trying to prove that such and such quote from the Bible is referring to the Prophet of Islam. The Jews and Christians always argue that against that. I found your article to be very interesting, but that question lingered in my mind and I am wondering what the proof of your argument happens to be?
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