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I am still learning Arabic and i wonder what "Islaam" means according to the root dictionaires. I am also interested in what the word "Muslim" means according to the root dictionaries.

Am i correct, and do they both have the same root, which means peace? But what does the "aalif" means in "I-slaam"?
And does "Muslim" then litteraly mean peacemaker?

Please answer with references and sources :)! Thanks in advance.

Ramadan is in July when there is a scorching heat, and the 3 other holy months follow after Ramadan?


in my understanding, Ramadan will not occur in Al Shahr Al Haram, because

1) According to 9:3, the 4 full moons are for Hajj, and since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find an offering -2:196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose). For example 2:184&185 says special cases/situations(illness, travel) for postponing the sawm in Ramadan,but it does not mentions Hajj/sawm in Hajj as a condition/situation.

2) Summer can’t be a restricted period since 9:81 speaks about going for fighting in the heat, (there is no fighting in Al Shahr Al Haram -2:217, exception -2:194,179).

1 Just because people should fast if they can't find an offer, doesn't mean it can't be in the month of scorching heat (ramadan)? 2:185 talks about what to do if you travel, well, you can fast another days. If you would go and perform the pilgrimage in the sacred month of scorching heat (ramadan), then you would not have to fast while traveling. Why can't you perform the pilgrimage in the month of scorching heat (ramadan)?

When do you think the four sacred months are?

2 read the context, 9:81 is happening in one of the four sacred months. They were being attacked, it's an exception. Chapter 9 is about the revocation of the pledge in the four sacred months when they were being attacked.

What kind of calendar do you uphold, a luni or lunisolar one?

Islamic Duties / Re: Best explanation i saw about salaat, ever.
« on: April 06, 2019, 07:38:42 PM »

Some verses are presented for your acknowledgements,

"Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance." Quran 20:14
In this verse, the word "fa-uʿ'bud'nī" comes from triliteral root ʿayn bā dāl (ع ب د), which means 'to worship' in verb form.

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are firm against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their similitude in the Torah. And their similitude in the Injeel, is like a seed (which) sends forth its shoot then strengthens it, then it becomes thick and it stands upon its stem delighting the sowers - that He (may) enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward." Quran 48:29.

Please be advised that, a root meaning must never be considered devoid of context. Words have meanings in certain contexts.

See this topic for more discussions,

The brother knows Arabic. I am still learning it.

I never heard a better explanation from the Quran about bowing and prostrating. In Arabic he said those words mean to yield and submit. 

He explained it so well in Arabic.

Instead of bowing and prostrating i am now yielding and submitting. I think the translations are off here.

As-Salam Alaykum,

Matters of judgement ultimately belong to God. However there is some wisdom that can be extracted from the Quran regarding this issue. I believe brother Joseph addressed this in some way or another. Let's ponder on the following passage:

[6:75]And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
[6:76] So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "I like not those that disappear."
[6:77] And when he saw the moon rising, he said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray.
[6:78] And when he saw the sun rising, he said, "This is my lord; this is greater." But when it set, he said, "O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah.
[6:79] Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah."

ٍImagine if God had taken the life of prophet Abraham while he believed he's lord was the Star or the moon or the sun. Would he be treated equally as those who blindly worship these entities because their forefathers did so ? Arguably not.

Prophet Abraham was in a journey of the pursuit of truth. For it to unfold it required effort and sacrifice. Truth is not handed on a plate. Prophet Abraham had a sound heart (37:84), it was a matter of time until he reaches the final stage of truth.

Similarly, there are those who follow narrations who also have a sound heart. They do not do so out of blind following. Instead its just the best argument they have been able to reach. And as soon as a better argument manifests itself to them, they will arguably accept it just as prophet Abraham did.

I would like to end with brothers Joseph's sentiment:
We should endeavour to reserve an inclination to judge anyone else in matters of their faith or their sincerity of pursuits. How could we? How could we ever begin to know their PATHS, the matters of their hearts or what is right for them AT THAT POINT in time of their lives? [1]


[1]  [Varying degrees of truth]

Thanks for sharing the verses.

That was Abraham. There is just one of him.

Now i am talking about those billions who claimed to be Muslim but were mislead and died upon that doctrine, without knowing about Quran centric submission to God etc.

But i think i should just forget about this question. God will Judge.

Those people you are talking about are sectarians. They come up with 1 good saying and following with 9 fabricated ones.

Avoid them, don't watch them. Instead study the Quran and don't waste your time by following or thinking what sectarians say.

How do you think God will judge those who were following the narrations but didn't know they were following and mixing truth with falsehood?

Will only the small elite of Quran centric submitters enter Paradise?

(I am not excluding the Christians and Israelites and other nations who uphold their Scripture correctly from Paradise, lets just focus on those who want to go to Heaven through the Quran)

General Discussions / Re: Beautiful Recitation
« on: March 29, 2019, 02:10:41 PM »

I would like to share this beautiful recitation of Surah Mulk. I don't think many know of this reciter.

Can a video be embedded here?

Beautiful.. Thanks for sharing.

If so, how good is your Arabic now? How much grammar can you understand when reading the Quran in Arabic?

I started with book 1. It's really great to soon God willingly be able to read the Quran in Arabic instead of from a translation.

General Discussions / Re: "Muhammad was not from Mecca" by Sam Garrans
« on: March 21, 2019, 02:23:11 PM »
even these trivial things are not stated explicitly and clearly and paving road to disagreement between the followers of islam. but quran says it is crystal clear then i guess something is wrong...

Most of us dont know Arabic, and are following these translations with errors. That's the problem, we need to learn Arabic. But people are to lazy to dedicate 5 years of their life to learn the language, and will come with their opinion that we dont need to learn Arabic.

Discussions / Re: Daniel prophet or Angel
« on: March 21, 2019, 02:19:31 PM »
Daniel was a human being, an Prophet from the Israelites. Read the Book of Daniel and you will find out that he wasn't an Angel.

The Traditional Islamic calendar is almost certainly wrong. It was discussed on here recently I believe.

Also see:

I couldn't find a way to reconcile the problems but I imagine it is discussed somewhere in Traditional sources and/or by Traditional scholars because the problems seem so obvious.

If Ramadan is the month which is the most heated one, then it's July. We simply have to only count 3 months from it to have the four sacred months. There is no calculation or invention of a calendar needed for that. We only have to observe the sun and the hottest month.

Yeah i found out myself that the lunar calendar can't be observed alone. We need a luni-solar calendar if we want to have a good calendar. Else every month will be in a different season every x years. The month of scorching heat (Ramadan in Arabic) can't be in winter right.

The Israeli and western calendars are at least a lunar calendar and far more reliable. But they aren't perfect as well because they totally ignore the moon to count the days.

Islamic Duties / Re: Juma vs Zuhr
« on: March 17, 2019, 07:33:19 PM »
I think it means to follow the balanced laws that are being given to us about the family affairs.

peace w3bcrowf3r,

More appropriately, social affairs/ responsibilities I think.
For example, S-L-W in 9:84 may denotes things which one has to do for the diseased in the society.
See occurrence of the root W-S-T in [2:143] here it used to denote the quality of a community - ummatan wasathan (modest community/balanced nation).

I think i am in the right direction. My Arabic can still be compared to someone in kindergarden.

You seem to know Arabic?

What are your thoughts about asafwa wal marwah?

Islamic Duties / Re: Juma vs Zuhr
« on: March 17, 2019, 05:29:11 AM »
Salaam brother Wakas,

I agree with the interpretation that the timed Swalah of the believers is twice daily. I did not find a clear proof from the Qur'an for 'the midday prayer'.

Thank you.

My same conclusion. The verse about al wusta is talking about family affairs etc. I think it means to follow the balanced laws that are being given to us about the family affairs.

Only when we wash ourself from preconceived doctrines is when we can read the Quran. Else we are reading something else.

The timings of salaat al fadjr and salaat al isha are giving in detail. When God and the Angels sends prayers to the Messenger, we aren't make those a daily prayer as well right. Or when the believers send prayers to the Messenger, we aren't going to make them daily prayers as well right.

General Discussions / Re: Hajj is Compulsory for the Believers?
« on: March 17, 2019, 02:16:11 AM »
Dear Brother Joseph ,
Salamun Alai Kum . I need to know very specifically if one not perform Hajj evan he has the capacity of performing Hajj at least once in his earthly  life ? Or in which conditions  it is compulsory for one to be performed Haj ? We are seeing many Mulims performing Haj not only once but also several times in every year and spend huge money  to perform Haj when in his locality many poor , neighbor are in huge crisis and he never work on mankind in his locality . I do not know on what basis or condition God established Haj to a man or women ?

Now Many Muslims do perform Haz 2 times 3 times or more and in Saudi Arabia is organizing this holy Haj convention by a commercial thinking . Some can stay at big hotel and  some can  stay in very contested area  as they have no capacity to spend days with luxurious. I am afraid of really Haj now is prevailing is the exactly what God has prescribed to believers ?

Also It will be great help for me if any one on this forum can give me answer .

There is no compulsion in the religion. If you don't want to perform the pilgrimage, nobody should force you.

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