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General Discussions / Re: Assalam alikum Joseph Islam - Thamud and the Nabateans

« on: February 09, 2017, 03:13:23 AM »

Salam ,

Vers 89:9 could also have another meaning because against most translations i read "and thamud which brought rocks into the valley"
if im not mistaken jabou bi-does mean to bring to

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General Discussions / Re: Do animals have any sort of accountability part 2

« on: February 08, 2017, 03:54:03 AM »

Salam ,

Suleyman and the animals talking is a mutashabiat vers ,it is not one dimensionally to understand whereas it could be a Vision of suleyman or somethingelse .

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General Discussions / Re: Re: Assalam alikum Joseph Islam - Thamud and the Nabateans

« on: February 08, 2017, 03:48:14 AM »

Salam Joseph ,

Thank you for the article ,maybe the nabateans are not the original constructer of the City Petra read this http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/pqna33.htm

The Bible is talking about a City called "Sela" and it could be Petra and the People who build this City where the Edomites which is in the timeline of Moses.

Edomit and Thamud is something closer semantically than Nabatean .

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General Discussions / Re: Application of Sharia

« on: February 01, 2017, 03:38:14 AM »

@Amira
I want you to inform that there is a widely misconception of the term sharia as you mentioned how to apply certain Things according to Quran .

But Shari'a is based on 1.Quran
                                  2.Sunna or better said hadith
                                  3.Ijma
                                  4.Qijas

peace

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 23, 2017, 06:06:50 AM »

Dear Sharon ,

This is what i have found to be quiet right in the the timeline for the thamud =nabateans(?).There is Picture of  thamudic Houses
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Thamud

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 21, 2017, 03:07:35 AM »

Peace Sharon,

Sorry for not beeing clear,i just wrote that these tombs where also used by the Nabateans side by side with their houses .

The Nabatean came according of greek Romans sources at the time of the 5th centurary BC in that area .

If the Thamud are in that timeline you have mentioned is possible but i do not have any info on that .About Gobek tebli i just have few Information and i only can speculate about the People who might build that temple as it is in Anatolia i might be build by decendants of Japhet if im not wrong whereas the Nabateans are decendants of Sem .

how do you came to put Thamud at 7000bc?

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 20, 2017, 02:26:24 AM »

New researches came to the conclusion ,the Nabateans didnt take a respecful distance to the deaths-the lived between them.Tombs were nearby to the dwellings.In some cases the People lived in a rock earthgrounded whereas tombs were carved outof the Stone  at the Roof



Hijjr is translated as rock or Stone and i think there was a discussion about AT-Tur and Jabal(Mountain) in the Forum.But here is an article of Joseph http://quransmessage.com/articles/tur%20FM3.htm

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 19, 2017, 09:17:12 PM »

Salam;
Some scolars Permit handshake with the oppposite Gender because of the vers to"lower your gaze"in the quran .They deduce from that vers if it is forbidden to look then it is more forbidden to shake Hands.

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 19, 2017, 09:03:44 PM »

Salam Ilker,
"To me, phrases like "did you not see?" or "do you not see?" in the Quran do not always  mean "literal" seeing. In some places, if not all, this phrase can also mean "do you not consider ?" or "did they not consider / realize" ? "

I also think so it is like the answer of someone you are talking with in stead of" I understand " he is saying "i see"

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 19, 2017, 08:50:36 PM »

Sorry thats the correct Name
Carthaginian=Phoenicians=Punic

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 19, 2017, 08:26:49 PM »

yes ,they could see them even today you can visit these ruins in this in the northern part of arabia .The most popular Building is in Petra in scientifically they are called Nabateans

Here is a discussion similar to this

Assalam alikum I was just wondering these 2 verses sound like they contradict each other because 28:58 says some used them for a little while 22:45 says no one used them and does 27:52 say we can see there houses and is this say thamud houses are the ones in midian al saleh because that is wrong because the nabatean empire built them and they are not houses they are tombs

In my opinion Ad Thamud and Nabatean are different Names for one and the same People like u have for a hebrew People Punic=Cartagene=Philistan

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General Discussions / Re: 18:108

« on: January 19, 2017, 02:33:10 AM »

Salam Sharon ,

This Vers is talking about a place in paradise called Firdaws and according to some companions of the Prophet it is located in the Center of the paradise on top of a hill .And this Ayat is Mutashabihat meaning not entirely clear for many, or some people. So i cant help you further to understand this vers.

peace

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 19, 2017, 02:12:42 AM »

Salam Sharon,

This is my understandig of the Vers,it is a Message to the People who do not believe in the allmightiness of god.Then he advises them go through the land and search for ruins of the egytians ,Ad or Thamud who were mighty in power but where destroyed by god .

I hope this helped

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 18, 2017, 03:33:13 AM »

past-tense construct appears all over the Qur'an while the English translations use the present tense and in this case it is pasttense hum khafu-they carved out although it looks also like the imperative form but contextualy it doesnt make sense

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General Discussions / Re: arabic and verse 89:9

« on: January 18, 2017, 03:07:41 AM »

sSalam,

here is a link which might help you
http://corpus.quran.com/concept.jsp?id=thamud