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General Discussions / Re: Native Arabic Speakers: Help please
« on: May 04, 2020, 06:52:05 PM »
If you feel it is irrelevant which word Quran used i.e. messenger or prophet, then that's up to you.

They must become Muslims believing in Allah and Muhammad.

An article you might find interesting:

General Discussions / Re: Native Arabic Speakers: Help please
« on: May 03, 2020, 05:46:34 PM »

On the corpus website it tells you the grammar of each word and you can click on the word if you want to examine its usage in Quran.
Further, this website will help as it lists all the times it is used in the perfect separately and imperfect separately:

Re: 48:13
I have to say that I disagree with this. While Quran 48:13 in context talks about the Jews/Christians at the time of the prophet and then starts by saying [paraphrasing] "whoever disbelieves in Allah and his messenger is a disbeliever"

The verse begins with "wa" / "and".

"His messenger" = prophet Muhammad. This is singular, not plural. So this is talking about a specific prophet, not all the other prophets specifically. This specific prophet is Prophet Muhammad (which you also understand from reading the context).

What do you think?

Did you read the link I provided? I am not talking about which messenger it is. I am talking about the difference in role words, i.e. between prophet and messenger.

Also Quran chapter 98:1-2 makes it clear that the disbelievers must believe this Prophet (singular, not plural) is a prophet of Allah and Quran 98:6 says those among the people of the book and polytheists who disbelieve will be punished.

Those verses dont use "nabi" / "prophet".

Also bear in mind wiki-islam focuses on critique of islam, as stated on its about page.

General Discussions / Re: Native Arabic Speakers: Help please
« on: May 01, 2020, 01:09:07 PM »
Few points:

2:62 and 5:69 are in the perfect/past tense, see

48:13 is linked to previous verses, check context

you have changed "His messenger" into "prophet Muhammad". Are they the same?


New article:

Quran and 2:184 - what is the correct translation?

Feedback welcome, especially corrections.

A timely reminder since some may be fasting at the moment.

General Discussions / Re: Top 10 problems due to Traditional Islam
« on: April 25, 2020, 09:37:49 AM »

Not a top 10 but does list the many ways Traditional Islam may differ from Quran based islam.

There is no explicit verse AFAIK. According to 4:102 not even illness is an exception to participating in the timed-salat.

Of course, it will depend on the congregational element of one's understanding.

I believe I first heard of this here:

I don't have access to Arabic works because I don't speak Arabic. Maybe you can let me know?

Thanks. I watched the video, and I have seen his videos before. He did not cite a reference and the example he gave from Quran was weak when looking at the surrounding verses that use thumma also. We must remember that formalisation of grammar rules are post-Quran.

Academic historians may cite Traditional Muslim sources such as the ones you mention in their works or when teaching etc but I would be surprised an academic of any merit would say something along the lines of "these are indisputable facts that occurred in the life of the prophet". That is why I asked for references.

For example, I have watched some lectures by Professor Fred Donner (and read some of his works) and he often adds phrases such as "if these reports are to be believed.." etc.

Background: So "thumma" means "then" in English, but it means a long period of time has commenced before the two events. "fa" also means "then" in English, but it means a short period of time has commenced before the two events.

Do you have a classical Arabic reference for that?

General Discussions / Re: What does the word Islam means
« on: December 01, 2019, 11:35:00 PM »
peace TS,

Mubashir asked what does "Islam" (with a capital I) mean. The answer is it is a meaningless title. However when he mentions lexicon and root word he is obviously referring to its underlying meaning, its origin etc NOT as a title. Hence my answer.

It's like asking what does "John" mean. Well, perhaps the name originally had a meaning but to a person named John it is almost entirely irrelevant, as he may embody the original meaning, he may not.

You claim a capitalised meaningless word has been assigned as a religion by God? That is illogical. It is only true if one embodies the meaning.

If I were to translate that part of 5:3 I would render it as:

"...and I have approved for you submission/peacemaking as an obligation/system..."

Now it makes sense...... to me at least.


General Discussions / Re: What does the word Islam means
« on: November 29, 2019, 11:40:42 PM »
The word "islam" has nothing to do with a religion nor is it inherently linked to God.

The theoretical meaning of the Arabic word form can be either submission or peacemaking. They are linked meanings when you think about it.

Can you provide us with perhaps 3 of his most solid points, save us watching it.


Al Quran can be tested/verified in many ways. Here are a few things to ponder:

When you buy a self-assembly piece of furniture (e.g. from Ikea) and it comes with instructions, how can you verify the accuracy/truthfulness of those instructions?

Bring a chapter like it? e.g. 10:37-38

Some more [ur=]examples[/url]:
21:10, 30:30, 41:53, 51:20-21  - its information and teachings should map to our reality (within our psyche, experience and to the furthest horizons). All signs, internal and external can point to the truth of it and act as a verification mechanism.
29:20, 3:137, 3:190-191, 45:3-4 - knowledge of archaeology/biology/physics/history/sciences/philosophy etc will all help to better understand it.

Blind faith? I don't think so:
6:75-79, 21:57-67, 36:78-79, 21:22, 23:91, 2:258, 12:26-27, 22:5-6, 2:260 - promotes logical thinking.
2:269, 8:22 - strong affinity towards use of wisdom and reason.
49:6, 45:24, 6:116, 53:28, 2:111, 21:24 - disapproves of conjecture/guesswork and promotes examination of evidence.

General Discussions / Re: How To Refute This Article on Hadith?
« on: November 02, 2019, 04:45:51 PM »
Hate to put you out, but can you refute every point in the article?

I only refuted the conclusion you seemingly drew from it.

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