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Salam Br Joseph

Thanks for taking the time and posting an excellent response. I also found your following article very informative:


Just read the following from someone who calls himself Quran-aloner. Please comment and point out where he may have gone wrong. Thanks.
Umar Farooq
May 15 at 5:15am ·

Proof from the Qur'an of offensive jihad and qital:

Let me begin by saying that if it werent for offensive qital, Islam would not have spread from Makkah to France.

Concerning offensive qital, this is the MAIN topic that distinguishes the believers from the kufar Hypocrites. But the Qur'an is very clear about this. As we know, the kufar are those who conceal what is in the Qur'an. In this case, they will only quote you the verses of defensive qital, such as:

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you and do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors (Surah Al-Baqarah: Ayat 190).
When the kafirs use this verse to say, "There is only defensive qital in Islam," they have rejected the verses of offensive qital, which makes them kafirs. Allah azzawajal says:

So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do (Surah al-Baqarah: Ayat 85).

From the Qur'an we know that prophet Solomon (pbuh) attacked the powerful empire Sheba simply because it's people were not Muslimeen and were "worshipping the Sun." When Solomon (pbuh) sent a letter to the Queen in order to accept Islamic rule, she refused and instead wanted to send him gifts. Solomon however refused, and prepared to attack the empire with human beings, animals and jinns. However, the Queen decided to submit before this could ever happen and she not only submitted to Islamic rule but she even accepted Islam. What are you Hypocrites going to say now? Do you understand Islam better than the prophets of Allah?! Then for you is the punishment of blasphemy:

and if they (the disbelievers) defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease (Surah 9: 12).

They (the Hypocrites) wish you would disbelieve (in the Qur'an) as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper (Surah 4: 89).

Another example from the Qur'an is dhul-Qurnayn. He was a powerful leader like Solomon who ruled an Islamic empire and conquered much of the Earth. What are you Hypocrites going to say now?

From the Qur'an we also know that Muhammad (pbuh) and those who came after him conquered land from the kufar. For example, Allah says:
See they (the disbelievers) not that We gradually reduce the land from its outlying borders? Where Allah commands, there is none to put back His Command, and He is swift in calling to account. And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely (Surah ar-Rad: Ayat 41-41).
And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented before: and Allah has Power over all things (Surah al-Ahzab: Ayat 27).

And verily we have written in the Scripture, after the Reminder: "My righteous slaves will inherit the Earth." (Surah 21: Verse 105).
The Prophets and chosen leaders of Allah followed Islam, and the Sunnah of Allah does not change. Allah says:
You will never find in the Sunnah of Allah any change, and you will never find in the Sunnah of Allah any alteration (Qur'an, 35: 43).
This is why Allah revealed:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of Truth from those who were given the Scripture - until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled (Surah 9: Verse 29).

Whoever says, "offensive qital is not part of Islam," has insulted the prophets of Allah and left the fold of Islam and became a kafir for rejecting the Qur'an. They have blasphemed.

General Discussions / Re: HIKMA means indeed HADITHS and not WISDOM
« on: May 30, 2016, 02:46:05 PM »
People forget that there are two versions of Hadith - Sunni and Shia. Both sects claim to be the only true Muslims based on their Hadith books. The Shias, on YouTube quote pretty strange ahadith [including Bukhari] to embarrass the Sunnis.

As for Sunnah, each sects has it's own favorite version. Which is true? The one practiced by Sufis or Salafis? Ahdmedi or Ismailis? Ahle Fiqh or Ahle Sunnah or Ahle Hadith? Shias or Sunnis [along with their sub-sects].

We reserve the right to judge all sectarian secondary sources material collected by Persians generations after the blessed Messenger [mostly through hearsay] by Al Furqan.

General Discussions / Re: How do you think we should pray actually?
« on: May 30, 2016, 01:03:50 AM »
With respect to prayer, we read in the Quran not to go near it if our minds are messed up and we don't know what we are saying. 90 % of the Muslims are Non Arabs and although they go through the ritual, they don't understand what they are saying other than a few short memorized suras.

Then we read that the Salat must not be too loud or too soft. Why then we go through two silent prayers in the masjid?

I have always wondered why the Muslims, in the sitting position greet the Messenger as if was alive sitting near us.

Kindly comment. Thanks.

Did prophet Muhammad know the future?

Answer from The Quran:

The Day God will gather the messengers and He will say: "What was the response you received?"; they said: "We have no knowledge, You are the Knower of all the unseen." [5:109]

Say: "I do not say to you that I possess God's treasures, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I merely follow what is inspired to me." Say: "Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not think?" [6:50]

Say: "I do not possess for myself any benefit or harm, except what God wills. And if I could know the unseen, then I would have increased my good fortune, and no harm would have come to me. I am but a warner and a bearer of good news to a people who believe." [7:188]

And they say: "If only a sign was sent down to him from His Lord." Say: "Indeed, the unseen is for God, so wait, and I will wait with you." [10:20]

"Nor do I say to you that I have the treasures of God, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I say that I am an angel, nor do I say to those whom your eyes look down upon that God will not grant them any good. God is more aware of what is in their souls; in such case I would be among the wicked." [11:31]

Say, "I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is One god. So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord, then let him do good works and not set up any partner in the service of his Lord." [18:110]

Say: "None in the heavens or the Earth know the unseen except God. And they do not perceive when they will be resurrected."[27:65]

Say: "I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is inspired to me. I am no more than a clear warner" [46:9]

Read Quran verses here

Only God knows the future and this knowledge can be attained only through divine revelations/signs (3:44, 3:179, 11:49, 12:102, 30:2, 72:26-28).

And for those who follow the Traditional Ahadith, Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 477:
Narrated Masruq:

'Aisha said, "If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen his Lord, he is a liar, for Allah says: 'No vision can grasp Him.' (6.103) And if anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the Unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: "None has the knowledge of the Unseen but Allah."

More articles:

We have a whole "industry" running on future predictions of the blessed Nabi (S). Does the Quran support him having knowledge of future events?

We have people waiting for Mehdi and Eesa, Mujaddids at the start of each century; prediction of wayward scholars misleading the Ummah; Arabs building skyscrapers; Quran aloners, Dajjal, etc. etc. A new sect of Ahmedis claiming to be true and only Muslims was born based on such predictions. Each sect including ISIS find something in predictions to justify their existence.

Can someone provide evidence from the Quran proving that the blessed Nabi had knowledge of future events?

They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the people do not know."

Say, "I hold not for myself [the power of] benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe."....

..And when you, [O Muhammad], do not bring them a sign, they say, "Why have you not contrived it?" Say, "I only follow what is revealed to me from my Lord. This [Qur'an] is enlightenment from your Lord and guidance and mercy for a people who believe." [7: 187-203]

Please check the following verses !

مَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ
ALLAH does not informs you of the unseen

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا

The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any

قُل لَّا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ
Say: I do not say to you, I have with me the treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen

قُل لَّا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ

Say: I do not control any benefit or harm for my own soul except as Allah please; and had I known the unseen I would have had much of good and no evil would have touched me; I am nothing but a warner and the giver of good news to a people who believe.

وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ
and had I known the unseen I would have had much of good and no evil would have touched me

So if the prophets are not acquainted to the unseen(GHAIB), then how can any of us be ???
It's just that we have to keep things straight so that none of us may start considering the one close to ALLAH on one's ...


Not sure if you can understand Urdu, but here is an expose on Shab e Baraat by G A Parwez:

General Discussions / Re: Two versions of Islam ?
« on: December 25, 2015, 06:57:47 PM »
Thanks for your responses, dear friends.

Funny thing is that there are some Muslim priests who readily endorse the alleged two versions of Islam. The Islam of peace [when weak] and and Islam of domination [When strong]! Needless to say that if such are the priests, then God bless the congregation !

The links you have provided should provide a thought provoking version of Islam that is based on reason and wisdom.

Seasons greetings with respect to all brothers and sisters of this forum which helps us to present to the world what real Islam is.

Islamic Duties / Has anybody watched this? Kindly comment. Thanks.
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:42:28 PM »
Ablution in the Quran and the importance of Surah Fateha

General Discussions / Re: Two versions of Islam ?
« on: December 22, 2015, 01:46:02 AM »
Thanks for your reply.  You made an excellent point:

(Quote).......Also, I want to address a mistranslation of verse 2:193: The word "deen" is not only used for religion, it's also used for a system or form of  government. This verse is not saying to convert everyone to Islam, it's saying to establish God's system, which includes freedom of religion for everyone.....(End quote)

This is how I understand the verses under discussion once we keep their context in mind:

The charge [verses quoted out of context to prove a point]:

"...Koran is a political book of Mohammed and his companions, people of 7th century.
In politics soft language is adopted during period of weakness and same people change their tone when they get power.

Down below is an example from that political book.

During weak period:

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion.
109:6 To you be your religion, and to me my.

Statements on the same subject during  powerful Period:

3:85 Whose desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers."
2:193 Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah..."


The response [self explanatory]

3:83 Do they seek, perchance, a faith other than in God, although it is unto Him that whatever is in the heavens
and on earth surrenders itself, willingly or unwillingly, since unto Him all must return?

3:84 Say: "We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and that which has been
bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants, and that which has been
vouchsafed by their Sustainer unto Moses and Jesus and all the [other] prophets: we make no distinction
between any of them.68 And unto Him do we surrender ourselves."

3:85 For, if one goes in search of a religion other than self-surrender unto God, it will never be accepted from him,
and in the life to come he shall be among the lost.
2:190 AND FIGHT in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression - for,
verily, God does not love aggressors (2:191) And slay them wherever you may come upon them, and drive
them away from wherever they drove you away - for oppression is even worse than killing. And fight not
against them near the Inviolable House of Worship unless they fight against you there first; but if they fight
against you, slay them: such shall be the recompense of those who deny the truth.

2:192 But if they desist - behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

2:193 Hence, fight against them until there is no more oppression and all obedience is devoted to God alone;
but if they desist, then all hostility shall cease, save against those who [wilfully] do wrong

General Discussions / Two versions of Islam ?
« on: December 21, 2015, 03:04:46 PM »
Salam Friends. I recently read the following in an email exchange. Does that claim hold any water? It seems to be an old charge levelled against Islam:

"....Koran is a political book of Mohammed
and his companions, people of 7th century.
In politics soft language is adopted during
period of weakness and same people
change their tone when they get power.
Down below is an example from that
political book.

During weak period:
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion.
109:6 To you be your religion, and to me my.

Statements on the same subject during  powerful Period:

3:85 Whose desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers."
2:193 Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah...."

22:34 [Asad]... And [thus it is:] unto every community [that has ever believed in Us] have We appointed [sacrifice as] an act of worship, so that they might extol the name of God over whatever heads of cattle He may have provided for them [to this end]. And (always bear in mind:) your God is the One and Only God: hence, surrender yourselves unto Him. And give thou the glad tiding [of God’s acceptance] unto all who are humble –...":

Question: If we accept the usual translation, then we find that all communities don't observe animal sacrifice as an act of worship. Hindus don't eat meat at all. Perhaps the Buddhists don't either. Jews and Christians slaughter meat for consumption but not as a sacrificial rite. The Bible, however does speak of a rite of sacrifice at the Jewish temple, which has been suspended because the temple does not exists and needs to be rebuilt.

In view of the above, can we assume "every community" here means different ethnic communities who assemble for Hajj ? Most Muslims believe in sacrificing animals all over the world. Not sure if they do it in the memory of Abraham and his son or to join with the Hajjis who successfully and thankfully complete Hajj.

Kindly comment. Thanks.

General Discussions / Re: 4:47 Vs 2:62
« on: May 02, 2015, 04:29:39 PM »
Sharing a reply from another Brother:

Check the tense of verses. in 2:62 verbs are in past tense (perfect tense) while in 4:47 verbs are in present tense (imperfect tense).  In my opinion they have to believe in Quran once it is revealed. 2:62 was applicable before revelation of Qur'an. Just mark the translation you quoted, it is in present tense and that creates misunderstanding.

General Discussions / Re: 4:47 Vs 2:62
« on: April 21, 2015, 01:44:09 PM »
Salam Hamzeh

Thanks for a thought-provoking reply which makes sense. There are Muslims who strongly believe that unless the Jews and Christians believe in the Quran (thereby accepting Muhammad as Allah's Messenger) they are doomed.

Just to give you an example here is one reply to this question from Dr. Shabbir. He takes the whole issue quite differently:

".........The Qur'an lays great emphasis on 'tasreef-il-aayat' (looking at other verses on the subject in focus). The results are then eye-opening.

Here is a glimpse from QXP with due respects:

2:62 (That was a glimpse of the past.) Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who are Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians; whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does beneficial works, their reward is with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they suffer from depression.

[Sabians = Nature worshipers. Note: The author of this rendition is not aware of any instance in the Qur’an where the use of Tasreef, that is, looking at the related verses, is more crucial than in the understanding of this verse.

Some great commentators have misunderstood this verse for missing related verses such as these:

2:135 They say, “Be Jews or Christians, then you will be rightly guided.” Say, “Nay, we follow the Creed of Abraham the upright. He associated none with God.”

2:136 Say, “We believe in God and what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among them. And for Him, we are Muslims."

2:137 Thus, if they come to believe as you believe, then they are rightly guided. But if they turn away, they will be falling into opposition and God will be Sufficient for you against them. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

5:69 Those who believe (in the Qur’an) and those who are Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians; whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and does works that benefit humanity, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

7:157 The non-Israelite Prophet liberates the People of the Book from the shackles of their manmade dogmas and brings them from darkness to light.

98:1 It is inconceivable that the opponents of the truth, whether they are the People of the Book, or the idolaters, could get out of error until the clear proof, Al-Qur’an, comes to them. .................. O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! = O You who acknowledge the Qur’an!

Reflecting on the above verses makes it clear that the belief in God and the Last Day must be in accordance with the Qur’an. Verses

2:62 and 5:69 emphasize that mere giving of a name to one’s religion or creed carries no importance]..."
It is interesting how, people who follow Quran alone, still differ in some major ways over it's interpretation.

Thanks again Hamzeh !!

General Discussions / 4:47 Vs 2:62
« on: April 21, 2015, 04:26:47 AM »
Dear All, Salam

4:47 O you who have been granted revelation [aforetime]! Believe in what We have [now] bestowed from on high in confirmation of whatever [of the truth] you already possess, lest We efface your hopes and bring them to an end - just as We rejected those people who broke the Sabbath: for God's will is always done.

2:62 VERILY, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

One seems to be commanding People of the Book to believe in the Quran lest they are visited by punishment.

The other says belief in God, last day and good deeds should be good enough for those who are not among those who have attained faith in [in this divine writ]

How do  you understand these verses? Have they been translated properly? Thanks.

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