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Re: Islamic country or Muslim country - Food for thought.
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2013, 05:10:19 AM »
Salaam.

"Time itself is waiting to see which fortunate nation will take up the torch and light the way for the rest of the world.  This blessed nation will lead and take the whole of humanity towards the heaven.   This is humanity's beautiful destination.  Insha Allah."

Which Nation, when, and how?

Until now, the majority seems to be destined to Hell.

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Re: Islamic country or Muslim country - Food for thought.
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2013, 06:20:11 AM »
Salaam.

More over, I looked up all the 50 English translations of Al Qur'an in:

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/

No one, including Shabbeer indicates that  "in themselves" in 41:53 means "in their Nations", as you (Optimist) indicate (within brackets).

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Re: Islamic country or Muslim country - Food for thought.
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2013, 03:07:10 PM »
Which Nation, when, and how?

Islam does not recognize the concept of nation in the limited sense we understand, like a group of people associated with a particular territory.  These are boundaries we create based on our own convenience.   By the way, according to dictionary, by nation, it can also mean community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history, etc.

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when, and how?

It is the law of nature that constructive forces overcome destructive forces: it can not be otherwise: but the  speed at which these constructive forces overcome is (according to our standards) very slow: God’s single day is equal to one thousand (or rather fifty thousand of our) years: 32:5, 70:4 but if we show conviction and trust in the laws revealed through wahi we can ensure our own peace and help to safeguard the peace and security of humankind  and then the results start to be formulated and manifested according to our measure.

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No one, including Shabbeer indicates that  "in themselves" in 41:53 means "in their Nations", as you (Optimist) indicate (within brackets).

As I told you Islam does not recognize national/ territorial concept and hence this unique expression.....the whole world belongs to Allah and the whole world has to follow Allah's Laws.....and by the way, 41:53 could also mean the external universe and human world.  You always comes up with objection only, never care to explain the verse(s) for everyone to understand what is actually stated in the verse(s) as per your understanding.

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The meaning which was lost in all our divisions will not be understood until our perceptions become untainted -  Allama Iqbal

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Re: Islamic country or Muslim country - Food for thought.
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2013, 04:46:37 PM »
Salaam.

"You always comes up with objection only, never care to explain the verse(s) for everyone to understand what is actually stated in the verse(s) as per your understanding."

It is better that we (I mean everyone) refer to Al Qur'an and try to understand what is actually stated in the verse(s), as per the context in which a verse appears in Al Qur'an.

We must make this our habit. Only then we will In Sha' Allah make progress in understanding Al Qur'an.

Now coming to our subject, the verse is speaking about nonbelievers.

More over, it says that God will show them His Aayaath .... until it becomes clear to them that it (Al Qur'an) is the Truth.

The verse does not say that anybody is going to accept Al Qur'an or not.

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A. Ismail Sait