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Allah's names vs. human names
« on: February 26, 2014, 11:46:48 AM »
Dear All:

Salamun Alaikum.

I had an interesting discussion with brother Sardar on another post which prompted me to raise this topic separately. I have been suggested that my last name being one of 99 names of Allah may be problematic to be used, without the prefix "Abdul-", as a human name.

From my reading of Al Qur'an I have not come across any verse which would indicate that certain names are exclusively reserved for Allah and cannot be used as human name. Rather from verses like 9:128 it seems that words like Aziz, Rahim etc. can be used to qualify a human being.

My humble understanding is there are - not 99 - rather thousands of different names of Allah in thousands of different languages. There are certain name like Allah, Elohim, God etc. in different language - which are exclusively used to refer to Allah / God in that particular language. It would be linguistically incorrect to use these terms as human name. But otherwise there is no merit in claiming certain names are exclusively reserved for God. Nor is there any merit in saying that we commit "shirk" if we call someone Mr. Aziz or Mr. Rahman.

But I may be missing something here. Would anyone share your thoughts on this matter especially in light of Qur'an?

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Regards,
Arman
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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 02:52:25 PM »
Salaam Arman,

Aziz is in the Quran, mentioned several times in surat Yusef. It is not referring to Allah, rather as Aziz's wife. aya 23,31 and 51

Certainly if that was one of Allahs names Allah would not be mentioning that name as one of His.

My sister has a son she named Abdel Malik.. They call him Malik for short....

There is nowhere in the Quran that prohibits Aziz, but if there are verses that clearly with Allah referring to himself with a name like Rahman, or something else,

I have a cousin names Aziz… Allah says we can call Him any name, how I interpret this is the beautiful names that mean great things, but ultimately Allah is his name.

I call Allah my Love, Habibi in Arabic, I say it because I love Him, people say it is haram to say that, I say that is between Allah and  He knows exactly what I mean, I love Him as my creator.

There is nothing in the Quran that I know of  that says do not call yourselves these names. I would assume people have the intelligence not to name themselves after 'Allah" or any names for a word of God in whatever language.

Many people use Abd before allah, which is fine I believe... Like Abdallah.
Allah does refer to himself as raheem I believe. But I can not comment about one referring to themselves without adding abd to raheem.

Sorry this is not much help

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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2014, 09:20:53 AM »
Bro Abdul Aziz. Please read the following Allah's Nintety Nine Names.Therefore anybody assuming this name should prefix with "ABD.





ASMÂ ALLÂH UL HUSNÂ


Allah! there is no god but He! To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. (Qur'an 20:8)
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: 'To God belongs 99 names, 100 minus 1, anyone who memorizes them will enter Paradise; He (God) is odd (odd number, he is the Only One), and He loves odd numbers (such as 99)'

ALLÂH   Allâh   (1:1)(3:18)(5:109)(6:124)(7:180)(8:40)
(16:91)(20:8)(57:5)(65:3)(74:56)(85:20)
AR-RAHMÂN   The Most Compassionate,
The Beneficent
The Gracious   (1:3)(17:110)(19:58)(21:112)
(27:30)(36:52)(50:33)(55:1)(59:22) (78:38)
AR-RAHÎM   The Merciful   (2:163)(3:31)(4:100)(5:3)(5:98)
(11:41)(12:53)(12:64)(26:9)(30:5)(36:58)
AL-MALIK   The King   (20:114)(23:116)(59:23)(62:1)(114:2)
AL-QUDDÛS   The Most Holy   (59:23) (62:1)
AS-SALÂM   The All-Peaceful, The Bestower of peace   (59:23)
AL-MU'MIN   The Granter of security   (59:23)
AL-MUHAYMIN   The Protector   (59:23)
AL-'AZÎZ   The Mighty   (3:6) (4:158) (9:40) (9:71) (48:7)
(59:23) (61:1)
AL-JABBÂR   The Compeller   (59:23)
AL-MUTAKABBIR   Supreme in Greatness,
The Majestic   (59:23)
AL-KHÂLIQ   The Creator   (6:102) (13:16) (39:62)(40:62)(59:24)
AL-BÂRI'   The Maker   (59:24)
AL-MUSAWWIR   The Bestower of form,
The Shaper   (59:24)
AL-GAFFÂR   The Forgiver   (20:82)(38:66)(39:5)(40:42)(71:10)
AL-QAHHÂR   The Subduer   (13:16)(14:48)(38:65)(39:4)(40:16)
AL-WAHHÂB   The Bestower   (3:8)(38:9)(38:35)
AR-RAZZÂQ   The Provider   (51:58)
AL-FATTÂH   The Opener, The Judge   (34:26)
AL-'ALÎM   The All-Knowing   (2:158)(3:92)(4:35)(24:41)(33:40)
(35:38)(57:6)
AL-QÂBID   The Withholder   (2:245)
AL-BÂSIT   The Expander   (2:245)
AL-KHÂFID   The Abaser   
AR-RÂFI'   The Exalter   
AL-MU'IZZ   The Bestower of honour   (3:26)
AL-MUDHILL   The Humiliator   (3:26)
AS-SAMÎ'   The All-Hearing   (2:127) (2:137) (2:256) (8:17) (49:1)
AL-BASÎR   The All-Seeing   (4:58) (17:1) (42:11) (42:27) (57:4) (67:19)
AL-HAKAM   The Judge   (22:69)
AL-'ADL   The Just, The Equitable   
AL-LATÎF   The Gentle, The Knower of subtleties   (6:103) (22:63) (31:16) (33:34) (67:14)
AL-KHABÎR   The All-Aware   (6:18) (17:30) (49:13) (59:18) (63:11)
AL-HALÎM   The Forbearing   (2:225) (2:235) (17:44) (22:59) (35:41)
AL-'AZÎM   The Incomparably Great   (2:255) (42:4) (56:96)
AL-GAFÛR   The Forgiving   (2:173) (8:69) (16:110) (41:32) (60:7)
ASH-SHAKÛR   The Appreciative   (35:30) (35:34) (42:23) (64:17)
AL-'ALIYY   The Most High   (2:255) (4:34) (31:30) (42:4) (42:51)
AL-KABÎR   The Most Great   (13:9) (22:62) (31:30) (34:23) (40:12)
AL-HAFÎZ   The Preserver   (11:57) (34:21) (42:6)
AL-MUGHÎTH   The Sustainer   
AL-HASÎB   The Reckoner   (4:6) (4:86) (33:39)
AL-JALÎL   The Majestic, The Revered, The Sublime   
AL-KARÎM   The Generous   (27:40) (82:6)
AR-RAQÎB   The Watchful   (4:1) (5:117)
AL-MUJÎB   The Responsive   (11:61)
AL-WÂSI'   The All-Encompassing, The All-Embracing   (2:115) (2:261) (2:268) (3:73) (5:54)
AL-HAKÎM   The Wise   (2:129) (2:260) (31:27) (46:2) (57:1)
(66:2)
AL-WADÛD   The Loving One   (11:90) (85:14)
AL-MAJÎD   The Most Glorious   (11:73)
AL-BÂ'ITH   The Resurrector   (22:7)page 35
ASH-SHAHÎD   The Witness   (4:79)(4:166)(22:17)(41:53)(48:28)
AL-HAQQ   The Truth   (6:62)(22:6)(23:116)(31:30)
AL-WAKÎL   The Ultimate Trustee, The Disposer of Affairs   (3:173) (4:171) (28:28) (33:3) (73:9)
AL-QAWIYY   The Most Strong   (22:40)(22:74)(42:19)(57:25)(58:21)
AL-MATÎN   The Firm One, The Authoritative   (51:58)
AL-WALIYY   The Protector   (3:68) (4:45) (7:196) (42:28) (45:19)
AL-HAMÎD   The All-Praised, The Praiseworthy   (14:1) (14:8) (31:12) (31:26) (41:42)
AL-MUHSΠ  The Reckoner   
AL-MUBDI'   The Originator   (10:4)(10:34)(27:64)(29:19)(85:13)
AL-MU'ÎD   The Restorer to life   (10:4)(10:34)(27:64)(29:19)(85:13)
AL-MUHYΠ  The Giver of life   (3:156) (7:158) (15:23)(30:50)(57:2)
AL-MUMÎT   The Causer of death   (3:156) (7:158) (15:23) (57:2)
AL-HAYY   The Ever-Living   (2:255)(3:2)(20:111)(25:58)(40:65)
AL-QAYYÛM   The Self-Existing by Whom all subsist   (2:255) (3:2) (20:111)
AL-WÂJID   The Self-Sufficient, The All-Perceiving   
AL-MÂJID   The Glorified   
AL-WÂHID   The One   (2:163) (5:73) (9:31) (18:110) (37:4)
AS-SAMAD   The Eternally Besought   (112:2)
AL-QÂDIR   The Omnipotent, The Able   (6:65) (36:81) (46:33) (75:40) (86:8)
AL-MUQTADIR   The Powerful   (18:45) (54:42) (54:55)
AL-MUQADDIM   The Expediter   
AL- MU'AKHKHIR   The Delayer   (71:4)
AL-AWWAL   The First   (57:3)
AL-ÂKHIR   The Last   (57:3)
AZ-ZÂHIR   The Manifest   (57:3)
AL-BÂTIN   The Hidden   (57:3)
AL-WÂLΠ  The Governor, The Protector   
AL-MUTA'ÂLΠ  The Most Exalted   (13:9)
AL-BARR   The Benign, The Source of All-Goodness   (52:28)
AT-TAWWÂB   The Granter and Accepter of repentence   (2:37) (2:128) (4:64) (49:12) (110:3)
AL- MUNTAQIM   The Lord of Retribution, The Avenger   (32:22) (43:41) (44:16)
AL-'AFUWW   The Pardoner   (4:99) (4:149) (22:60)
AR-RA'ÛF   The Most Kind, The Clement   (3:30) (9:117) (57:9) (59:10)
MÂLIK-UL-MULK   Owner of the Kingdom   (3:26)
DHUL JALÂL WAL IKRÂM   Possessor of Majesty and Honour   (55:27) (55:78)
AL-MUQSIT   The Just, The Equitable   (3:18)
AL-JÂME'   The Gatherer   (3:9)
AL-GHANIYY   The All-Sufficient   (2:263) (3:97) (39:7) (47:38) (57:24)
AL-MUGHNΠ  The Enricher   (9:28)
AL-MÂNI'   The Preventer of harm   
AD-DÂRR   The Afflicter   
AN-NÂFI'   The Benefiter   
AN-NÛR   The Light   (24:35)
AL-HÂDΠ  The Guide   (25:31)
AL-BADÎ'   The Originator   (2:117) (6:101)
AL-BÂQΠ  The Everlasting   (55:27)
AL-WÂRITH   The Ultimate Inheritor   (15:23)
AR-RASHÎD   The Guide   
AS-SABÛR   The Patient One   
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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 10:42:19 AM »
Sister Abbsrayray, The King of Eygpt  during the period of Prophet Yousuf used to be called as Aziz of Misar.The word Aziz can be used to indicate as Firm or mighty but when one uses Aziz as name it is Allah's name as such one has to prefix with ABD.Thanks for sharing
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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 01:36:34 PM »
Salaam Sarder,

That is not 99 names out of verses, your missing 13..  ;D

And about Aziz in the Quran, that is incorrect, there is NO mention of Masir when aziz is recited in the Quran. 
One needs to be very careful saying it is forbidden without no proof from the Quran. Allah Himself who gave Prophet Muhummad the Quran verses, used the name to tell us the individuals name in His Aya. If it was inappropriate or forbidden for the Individual to have that name, certainly Allah would have either not mentioned him by name or called the person out.. lol

Now if someone has a name for instance Aziz, and puts Al, Ar, At and Al, than yes, I think it is extremely very inappropriate because that is how Allah describes Himself, and it will be "THE"  which it is without doubt what Allah is referring to Himself.

When I have a conversation with family in Arabic, and they tell me I am too obsessed with my Dog, I reply, hada Aziz habibi... (He is cherished, my love) At no way is that disrespecting Allah because unless I say al-aziz and knowing that is what Allah refers to himself than Yes, it would be very disrespectful.  There are so many meanings for that name and others, but again, it is not inappropriate at all and in my opinion you do not need to put Abd. I know for a FACT, scholars say this about the Haram part as I believe the Hadith does as well.

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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 01:28:53 AM »
Aziz was king of Egypt at the time of Prophet Yousuf AS.You cab use the word aziz any way but  when you use as name you have to prefix with Abd because this becomes Allah's tribute. I dont know why you are arguing by telling your dog habibi? It is Allah's attribute while naming a person
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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 03:02:25 AM »
Salaam Sardar,

You said "The King of Eygpt  during the period of Prophet Yousuf used to be called as Aziz of Misar.The word Aziz can be used to indicate as Firm or mighty but when one uses Aziz as name it is Allah's name as such one has to prefix with ABD."

I replied there is no such word "Misr" I know about the King  and his wife and the whole Yusuf chapter, but that is not the point I was making… I am making a point that Allah Himself is using that word to describe a HUMAN BEING in the verses I listed, which I had wrong, it is 12:30 and 51 among others.
My point is the BURDEN is on you to prove it is prohibited, and the proof is on you is to get that from the Quran, directly from Allah’s own words, not based on your beliefs or other sources.  You are doing exactly what Imams/scholars do, giving your opinion on how you believe what Allah is saying or thinking Allah allows or disallows… I without ANY doubt for a second, think that Allah is waiting for others to speak for Him on what is Haram and what is not.   How you interpret verses does not mean they are the actual saying of Allah that is in the Quran nor what it means unless you back it up when others do not see where you get your information from.  If it is Haram, it certainly will BE in the Quran, whether directly or indirectly in verses.
You have to show us that indeed it is in there. You have to back up what you say is all I am saying. The verses are very simple striaght forward because Allah says that, we are the ones who make things complicated too much by reading into things and meanings and thinking for Allah...

About the Dog thing it was an example how the word is used it means many things, and what in the Quran referring to the wife of the king, same way Allah is using it in the Quran referring to a human being, not Himself, that is why it is extremely important to understand the verse and the message in it that contain the verbiage/words that are being used. 

The Noble Quran 12:30
*۞* وَقَالَ نِسْوَةٌ فِى ٱلْمَدِينَةِ ٱمْرَأَتُ ٱلْعَزِيزِ تُرَٰوِدُ فَتَىٰهَا عَن نَّفْسِهِۦ ۖ قَدْ شَغَفَهَا حُبًّا ۖ إِنَّا لَنَرَىٰهَا فِى ضَلَٰلٍ مُّبِينٍ

Waqala niswatun fee almadeenati imraatu alAAazeezi turawidu fataha AAan nafsihi qad shaghafaha hubban inna lanaraha fee dalalin mubeenin

And women in the city said: "The wife of Al-'Aziz is seeking to seduce her slave young man, indeed she loves him violently; verily we see her in plain error."


Are you saying Allah made a mistake and did not know He is referring to a human being as azeez/aziz?

For instance Aziza is a female name. Both an adjective and comes out of the word Aziz.  There are many Theophoric names with either prefix or suffix to Allah or people have it towards other gods. For instance there are many Arab Christians whose names are Abdul Salib…  aka.. Servant of the cross.

My nieces name is Aya as the verses in the Quran, my cousin named his daughter Ayat, My brother’s middle name is Ayatollah. 
So did Allah prohibit the word Aya or Ayat because that is what He uses for his verses? 

I had to make my point, I am not arguing at all, nor do I want to be right, I can careless, but one thing I always do Brother, is put the facts down from the Quran, no other source. The Quran is 100%, our thinking is not, unless we get it from the Quran and we are clear on what the message is. Otherwise it is just an opinion of someone’s.

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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 09:53:01 AM »
By Misr I mean Eygpt. Why are you prolonging so much long when I am simply telling to prefix Abd before Allah's name. That's end of discussion I hope
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Re: Allah's names vs. human names
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 12:00:54 PM »
Salaam Sadar,

 just clarifying things bro...  :D
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