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Fragments of the world's oldest Koran
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:31:30 PM »
Fragments of the world's oldest Koran, found in Birmingham last month, may predate the Prophet Muhammad and could even rewrite the early history of Islam, according to scholars.

The pages, thought to be between 1,448 and 1,371 years old, were discovered bound within the pages of another Koran from the late seventh century at the library of the University of Birmingham.
Written in ink in an early form of Arabic script on parchment made from animal skin, the pages contain parts of the Suras, or chapters, 18 to 20, which may have been written by someone who actually knew the Prophet Muhammad - founder of the Islamic faith

Keith Small, from the University of Oxford's Bodleian Library, added: 'This gives more ground to what have been peripheral views of the Koran's genesis, like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven.

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Re: Fragments of the world's oldest Koran
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2015, 05:02:35 PM »
This is a really bad argument.

The age of the animal skin that the document was written on does not tell us the age of the document. It tells us the age of the animal skin... :-\

It may just be that they erased earlier writings on the old animal skin and written a Quran on it...

Not only that, I don't see how historians can based on the age of the animal skin! It says: "It is believed that the Birmingham Koran was produced between 568AD and 645AD, while the dates usually given for prophet Muhammad are between 570AD and 632AD.". Carbon dating is not 100%, there is always a range of dates and they presented it. It doesn't appear that the range of dates they presented really predate the years Prophet Muhammad is believed to have lived. It may just be that the Birgminham Koran existed near 645 AD...

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Re: Fragments of the world's oldest Koran
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 06:44:15 PM »


Salaam

I agree that since a date range for the fragments has been given and we don't know the exact date of the prophet's birth, they easily overlap each other so I feel that the article is being unduly sensationalist.

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Re: Fragments of the world's oldest Koran
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 08:41:14 AM »
The Oldest Quran is Quran the Prophet Mohammad kept with him as assembled by him
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Re: Fragments of the world's oldest Koran
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2015, 01:04:52 AM »
Assalam Bro JAI can you  kindly throw light on "Brahimiman Koran " as I could not grasped basis of it?
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