What is Haram

[A.H.A]

Haram from the Quran:

Acts/deeds:

• Associating partners with God
• Disrespect to parents
• Murder
• War and hunting (only land animals) during four months of Hajj
• Adultery, Fornication and other immoralities
• Taking Usury/interest
• Consuming orphan's property unjustly
• Cheating in business
• Not speaking Justly

Q[6:151], Q[6:152], Q[5:96], Q[2:275], Q[9:36]

Foods:

• dead meat
• Blood
• Pork
• Animals sacrificed for other [false] god(s)
• Animals which has been strangled, killed by blow or in a fall, gored to death, or eaten by wild animals
• Meat divided by casting lots

Q[5:3]

Marriage:

• Mothers
• Step-Mothers
• Daughters
• Sisters
• Father's sisters
• Mother's sisters
• Brother's daughters
• Sister's daughters
• Foster mothers
• Foster Sisters
• Wive's Mothers
• Step-daughters (only if the step-father has already lain with her mother)
• Son's wives
• Two sisters simultaneously
• Married women

Q[4:22,23,24]

Can we make/call/label something Haram? No
Q[5:87]
Can Prophet make/call/label something Haram? No
Q[66:1]
Who can make/call/label something Haram? only God
Q[6:150]
Can we do something which is bad/wrong/harmful but not Haram? No
Q[91:8,9,10]

Members are welcome/free to share their thoughts on this topic.

[hicham9]

Halāl list (from the Qurān) ?!?

[Hassan A]

Salaam A.H.A,

Thank you for that list.

One thing I would like to add. While mentioning what is Hal'al, the Quran has used the word Tayyab - which means pleasant, pure, and beneficial. It, therefore, means that whereas Allah has declared certain things Hal'al, it is not necessary that one must eat/engage in each and every one of those things. In the category of things considered Hal'al, one can eat/engage in whichever one them he likes, or finds tasty or pleasant, or is nourishing to his body and does not cause allergy/harm to him.

Peace.

[Hassan A]

Salaam Hicham9,

Halāl list (from the Qurān) ?!?

Well....all things that are not mentioned as being Haram, are, by default, Halal.

[A.H.A]

My apologies for forgetting to add some of which is not Halal. Because I can't edit/modify, I have to add them here.

Concerning divorce, Q[2:228, 229, 230]
Forced Marriage, Q[4:19]

Hisham (Hicham9):
Everything which is not declared as Haram or "not Halal" in the Quran is Halal, but it does not mean that we must do/eat all of them.
As I said

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Can we do something which is bad/wrong/harmful but not Haram? No, Q[91:8,9,10]
according to Q[91:8-10], we, humans, know what is right and what is wrong, and also from experience and/or science we know what type of food/drink is harmful and what type of food/drink is harmless or beneficial, without any need for a book from God. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the whole list of good and bad in the Quran. Some of acts/foods which are not Haram but wrong/harmful are mentioned in the Quran; for instance, God has not declared intoxicates and gambling Haram, but for some given reasons (Q[5:91], Q[2:219]) wants us to avoid them for our own good (Q[5:90]). I think, to be a good ethical person, one should not just stick to the commands of God and/or pressure of society.

[hicham9]

Salute @Hassan, A.H.A, all

Well....all things that are not mentioned as being Haram, are, by default, Halal.

Everything which is not declared as Haram or "not Halal" in the Quran is Halal, ...

But, the list of haram on its own is incomplete.
The list of halal must be included to see the full picture.

E.g., halal in marriage ? Ie. Who am i allowed to marry ?!?

Answer: المومنت from المحصنت andor ملك اليمين
+ do we correctly identify these two categories in our daily life ?!

Ye get the point.

سلام

[hicham9]

Ps.

Withal, by your logic, just because G-D didn't explicitly forbid marrying animals, it should be considered/labeled "halal" !!!

Well....all things that are not mentioned as being Haram, are, by default, Halal.

Everything which is not declared as Haram or "not Halal" in the Quran is Halal, ...

Ye get the point ²

[Seraphina]

Ps.

Withal, by your logic, just because G-D didn't explicitly forbid marrying animals, it should be considered/labeled "halal" !!!

Well....all things that are not mentioned as being Haram, are, by default, Halal.

Everything which is not declared as Haram or "not Halal" in the Quran is Halal, ...

Ye get the point ²

Salam Hicham9,
With all due respect, I strongly dissagree with your statement. God is crystal-clear when it comes to sensitive/important matters like the one you implied. Sometimes his answer is straightforward within one verse, sometimes it is implied within some verses. Here, see these verses and consider whether He left us wondering can we marry animals or not
"The Originator of the heavens and the earth; He made mates for you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying you thereby; nothing like a likeness of Him; and He is the Hearing, the Seeing." (42:11)
"And Allah has made for you mates of your own nature, and made for you, out of them, sons and daughters and grandchildren, and provided for you sustenance of the best: will they then believe in vain things, and be ungrateful for Allah's favours?" (16:72)
"And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest in them, and He put between you love and compassion; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect." (30:21)
"Do you approach males among the worlds and leave what your Lord has created for you as mates? But you are a people transgressing." (26:165-166). Note the words of prophet Lut pbuh. If marrying a man (a being of your own type of creature - a human), is a transgression into the eyes of God, and He created all beings in pairs so each of them has its own pair (as indicated in the verses), do you really think you would be allowed to marry an animal?
God bless,
Seraphina

[hicham9]

Salute @Seraphina,

You're missing the point !

I'm not arguing in favor of zoofilia or whatnot, but against the notion that "EVERYTHING" which's not mentioned as "haram" in the Quran is therefore "halal" = this is a fallacious deduction !

The point is, G-D has also specified what is halal, and thus, when mentioning what is haram, one should also mention what is halal in contrast ~ to see the full picture !

Natheless, your translation of 42:11 makes it sound like the Quran advocates human-cattle couples ! Giggle*

"The Originator of the heavens and the earth; He made mates for you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying you thereby; nothing like a likeness of Him; and He is the Hearing, the Seeing." (42:11)

سلام

[Seraphina]

No my brother I get it, I do know you were not arguing in favour of zoofilia, i just felt the need to address that, bcs if someone not-so-infomed would see it, would think thats how it is, if God doesn't shout out straightforwardly "This is haraam!" then it is not haram. Which i agree its a nonsense logic to say at least. You see, with each passing era humans develop, change. This brings out new ways of transgressing and new ways of performing good. For example, there were no porn sites until last century, so it is not haraam since God orders to lower gaze only from women standing in front of you in-person! After all, that was the only way of haram in this aspect, up to last century.
Or, in the other hand, you could perform charity only from your own hands in-person, but now you can donate online to that needy one who you know needs it.
My point is, as the human society develops, there are always new ways to do good and to do evil. And the justification is always that God didnt explicitly say its unlawful. Despite of how much human society prospers, good is good and evil is evil, what changes is just the way you perform them. And as for those who feel that way, here's what God says:
"Say, "My Lord has only forbidden immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know." (7:33). So whatever this new thing is, if in any way it is harmful or immoral or oppressing or questions God's authority, it should be kept away.
Salam,
Seraphina

P.S. Why do you say G-d and not God? I'm so curious.

[A.H.A]

But, the list of haram on its own is incomplete.
The list of halal must be included to see the full picture.

E.g., halal in marriage ? Ie. Who am i allowed to marry ?!?

Answer: المومنت from المحصنت andor ملك اليمين
+ do we correctly identify these two categories in our daily life ?!

Ye get the point.

I have already addressed that:

according to Q[91:8-10], we, humans, know what is right and what is wrong, and also from experience and/or science we know what type of food/drink is harmful and what type of food/drink is harmless or beneficial, without any need for a book from God. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the whole list of good and bad in the Quran. Some of acts/foods which are not Haram but wrong/harmful are mentioned in the Quran; for instance, God has not declared intoxicates and gambling Haram, but for some given reasons (Q[5:91], Q[2:219]) wants us to avoid them for our own good (Q[5:90]). I think, to be a good ethical person, one should not just stick to the commands of God and/or pressure of society.

The most important thing to know about Haram and Halal:

• Haram is not = bad/wrong/harmful*
• Halal is not = good/beneficial**

* Pork is not bad/harmful, people from all around the world eat it and still healthy.
** Alcohol/drug is Halal, because it is not declared Haram, but not good/beneficial, that is why God wants us to avoid it..

Withal, by your logic, just because G-D didn't explicitly forbid marrying animals, it should be considered/labeled "halal"!!!

Marrying animals is Halal*, but it does not mean we can marry them. We instinctively know it is not good, Q[91:8]. Cannibalism is not Haram*, but In Q[49:9], God expects us that we instinctively dislike doing that, and He uses that as an analogy. Honestly, if a person does something only because God said so, and avoids something only because God said so, then how do we and/or God know that he/she is a good person and have some goodness/ethic inside him/her? he/she is just like a programmed robot without freewill and faculties to distinguish between right and wrong, and choose and act accordingly.

*Although, God has made all sort of immorality/lewdness Haram, but immorality/lewdness is subjective.

[hicham9]

Say what, again ?!!

Marrying animals is halal (=allowed by G-D) ?!?!

You must be outta your mind, attributing gibberish to G-D ! :/

[A.H.A]

Say what, again ?!!

Marrying animals is halal (=allowed by G-D) ?!?!

You must be outta your mind, attributing gibberish to G-D ! :/

Marrying animals is Halal? Yes, but not allowed by God, just like alcohol is Halal, but not allowed by God. Alcohol is not allowed because God tells us in the Quran to avoid it for our own good and Marrying animals is not allowed not because God directly tells us in the Quran but God has given us the ability to recognize good and bad by using our brains. I emphasized on this a lot:

Can we do something which is bad/wrong/harmful but not Haram? No
Q[91:8,9,10]

according to Q[91:8-10], we, humans, know what is right and what is wrong, and also from experience and/or science we know what type of food/drink is harmful and what type of food/drink is harmless or beneficial, without any need for a book from God. Therefore, it is not necessary to search the whole list of good and bad in the Quran.

Honestly, if a person does something only because God said so, and avoids something only because God said so, then how do we and/or God know that he/she is a good person and has some goodness/ethic inside him/her? he/she is just like a programmed robot without freewill and faculties to distinguish between right and wrong, and choose and act accordingly.

Slavery is another good example beside alcohol. You can not find a single verse or statement in the Quran that makes slavery Haram, but slavery is as "gibberish" as marrying animals; do you like to sell human beings like cattle in a market? I don't

I'm not out of my mind, I just don't want to label things Haram, I have no right to do so.

I think, the difference between me and you is that you exclusively rely on scripture and I on both scripture and reason. I don't marry animals not because God made it Haram (because He did not), rather because God has given me the ability to instinctively disfavor and avoid it. Q[91:8]<sup>[1]

[1]</sup>   فَأَلْهَمَهَا فُجُورَهَا وَتَقْوَىٰهَا

[hicham9]

I see nought but equivocation !

Define QA. حلال (using your so-called reason), or spare me the paronomasia.

Ps. Slavery is out of the question as it contradicts the main message of the Quran: being a servant/slave to G-D alone !

[hicham9]

ولا تقولوا لما تصف السنتكم الكذب هذا حلل وهذا حرام
لتفتروا على الله الكذب ان الذين يفترون على الله الكذب لا يفلحون

16:116

Cannibalism aside, you said that marrying animals is halal !
This is a lie.

Define halal !