regarding 38:34

[munir rana]

Salam Forum Members

38:34
And We did try Solomon: We placed on his throne a body (without life); but he did turn (to Us in true devotion)

I have already read a discussion regarding this issue (title: Lifeless body on a throne). And I found the discussion incomplete. I went to Article section (prophet and messengers chapter) also, but didn't get anything regarding this issue.
So is their any clue about this verse? whose body on throne? Did Brother Joseph make any comment on this issue anywhere else?

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(The discussion mentioned)

[good logic]

Peace munir.

For me this is an expression " Alquaina ala kursiyihi jasadan" .
I agree with the meaning of:" Blessed him with material wealth".

Solomon, despite his wealth,submitted humbly to the Lord.

The verse just means "we tried Solomon by providing him with great wealth,yet despite all his riches, he submitted and did not become arrogant /corrupt.
So there is no body or corpse in the verse!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

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Peace be upon you,

Could you provide evidence that 'جَسَدًا' means what you state it means?

[munir rana]

Dear good logic

Salam

Thanks for your response. I am not an expert in Arabic. I used to read various translations of the Quran to understand the meaning, and if necessary i use  dictionary and concordance.
Here are the references where `jasad' is translated as a body.


1.

j-s-d-  body, to embody, to take a concrete form; to coagulate; to be next to the body, ; to be dyed with saffron; Of this jasad occurs four times in the Quran.
(for details : ARABIC-ENGLISH DICTIONARY OF QUR’ANIC USAGE by ELSAID M. BADAWI and MUHAMMAD ABDEL HALEEM Page 164 )



2.

JASAD n.m.-a body .: .
7:148 (146) of their ornaments a Calf- a mere body that lowed
20:88 (90) then he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed
21:8 (8)nor did We fashion them as bodies that ate not food -
38:34 (33) We tried Solomon, and We cast upon his throne a mere body

(source: A CONCORDANCE OF THE QUR'AN by Hanna E. Kassis)

3.
And in a word-to-word translation of the Quran the word was translated as `body'

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=38&verse=34

[good logic]

Peace munir.

I agree the word "Jasadan" in Arabic means body, however I said the whole sentence including "Jasadan" is an expression .

For example "saaq"  means leg, but "Yawma yukshau an saquin" is an expression meaning "The day you are exposed" Saq does not translate as leg in that sentence.
So the same way ,Jasadan does not translate literally as body in that verse.
That is my understanding.
Thank you and GOD bless you.
Peace.

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Peace,

Could you provide evidence for this?

[good logic]

Peace eliiah.

I think in this situation, where I am saying it is my understanding, one uses some common sense and look at the context of the verse.

Also , Other explanations do not make sense to me.

To me in the context of  the verse, "Jasadan" as corpse or body does not make sense.
And of course you can reject my understanding if you wish.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Duster]

Shalom / peace Goodlogic ......once again it appears you are simply pushing Rashad Khalifas translation....there seems to be no evidence for what you are saying. ...but you will still push it!!

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Peace, I'd like to mention that the word 'جَسَدًا' isn't "a corpse", unless of course you mean to state, you have a corpse.

[good logic]

Peace duster.

Please correct my understanding  with a "better"one and I will gladly accept .

Also ,giving a view and saying one can reject it is not pushing anything.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Duster]

Peace duster.

Please correct my understanding  with a "better"one and I will gladly accept .

Also ,giving a view and saying one can reject it is not pushing anything.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Shalom / peace goodloogic ..... It appears you follow Rashad Khalifa and accept him as messenger of the covenant.....Please confirm it here openly if you don't ..... If you do, then I think you will not accept any 'better' position as you have already accepted Rashad's 'authorized' translation.....There have been many posts here on this forum where you seem to show that you simply won't accept a better argument ........ no. because the definition of 'better' is determined by you ..... sorry no hard feelings ....but I see no point.

[good logic]

Peace Duster.

Let me clarify for you once more that I am a believer, I believe GOD and follow GOD Alone .
Qoran, GOD S proven word, confirms for me my beliefs.
Now, I take it you are declining my request.Then why not do it for the benefit of the readers?
Thank you and GOD bless.
Peace.

[Duster]

Peace Duster.

Let me clarify for you once more that I am a believer, I believe GOD and follow GOD Alone .
Qoran, GOD S proven word, confirms for me my beliefs.
Now, I take it you are declining my request.Then why not do it for the benefit of the readers?
Thank you and GOD bless.
Peace.

Shalom / peace ... I noted how you evaded my question.... if you don't want to answer it, please just say it ...>>> as it is quite important as it explains your approach on many threads on this forum...

Do you accept Rashad Kahlifa as the messenger of the covenant??

[good logic]

Peace Duster.

You already know my view. Qoran confirms for me that a messenger of God must present proof that he is God's messenger. Every messenger of God is supported by incontrovertible divine signs proving that he is authorized by the Almighty to deliver/confirm His messages.

After checking RK s claim from Qoran, I am 100% certain that he was GOD s messenger. His message was simply to follow GOD Alone by upholding Qoran Alone. i.e Qoran is the living messenger.

Now, what is your understanding about the verse 38:24?

GOD bless you.
Peace.