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Iddah Reason
« on: August 20, 2016, 06:52:57 PM »
As salaamu alaikum Brother



Is iddah for women still applicable? In today's date we have advanced technology for pregnancy test.

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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 08:59:42 PM »
Assalamu alaikum Ursimmy,

I know the question is not addressed towards me, but i hope you don't mind i answered.
Yours is an interesting question. I was asked of it many times, mostly by people who wanted to present Islam as an outdated religion, meaning its laws are not needed anymore, since for example for iddat we have pregnancy tests.
I would like you to bear in mind that for each and every law Allah gave us, there is always an infinite wisdom behind it, and the main purpose is the best for us. Who can know what's the best for us more than the One who created us? He knows how He created us so He knows what we need and what works best for us.
With regards to iddat, its purpose is not solely to see if a woman is pregnant or not. Even in ancient times there were methods to determine a woman's pregnancy before her belly could be seen. Its purpose is also the reconciliation of the couple. You see, as the three months go by, as the loss of each other is inevitable, the couple can realize they love each other and can't live without each other. It's the human nature to realize what he/she lost only after the loss. If that is the case, you have three months to recover your loss :) On the other side, a pregnant woman's iddat is until she gives birth. The happiness and love a kid brings to a couple's life can make them reconsider their divorce and be even happier than before, now that they have a kid.
Only in the last century (if i'm not mistaken) can you find in the western countries the laws of divorce that also require husband and wife to live under the same roof for some months before the divorce is finalized, so that the couple can see if they can still work things out. In west such a custom is relatively new, but in the Quran it was ordained 1500 years ago :) no matter how many laws people try, in the end they always come to realize that His laws are the best way of life, and the best way of resolving matters.

I hope i was of help,
Your sister Seraphina
"Say:"O my slaves who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 09:54:18 PM »
sister Seraphim the As salaamu alaikum.

If reconciliation is reason you gave,

Then why iddah is not for untouched married women and why it is there for widow??

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2016, 06:39:27 AM »
Well, for a marriage to be considered marriage, it has to be consummated. Thats what differs the marriage from all other types of kinship. If two people have been under nikah, lived under the same roof and still there was nothing between them strong enough as to consume their marriage, then there is not much left to be saved there :)
As for the widow, thats a period that gives her time to recover from the loss of her spouse, ponder over the future of her and her kids, and to deal with inheritance left from spouse (if any), and so on. Besides, in many countries widows are pressured from their family and close relatives to remarry shorlty after. The Quran doesnt force her to remarry, simply gives her time to think what will she do next. Thank God, in our religion marriage is reccomended but not compulsory.
"Say:"O my slaves who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2016, 09:26:19 AM »
Iddat is NOT prescribed for widows. Please see Joseph's article on the subject.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 10:08:18 AM »
Peace. And what about this statement of our Lord?

"يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنْفُسِهِنَّ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ وَعَشْرًا"
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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 10:24:16 AM »
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Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe. (21:18)

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 10:25:13 AM »
I don't speak arabic, so I really need you to translate.
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Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe. (21:18)

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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 02:52:56 PM »
Wanderer, the widow has to wait four months and ten days before being free to remarry if she wishes so. I dont know if its named 'iddat' as well.
Gahaiile, i dont speak arabic so i have no idea what you asked :)
Salam to both of you.
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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 04:25:25 PM »
Waiting for Joseph Islam

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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 07:08:11 PM »
Can we please request that kind forum members always remain conscious of the forum policies.


Ursimmy  - Please ask your question and if brother Joseph Islam is able to respond he will. He has numerous other comittments and although he really tries really hard to answer and help us all even given the many of queries he gets, he cannot get to all the queries. Please also check first whether the question has been answered before as no one has time to repeat their responses. For example there are articles and comments already brother Joseph has written. Have you checked all these writings on this topic?

http://quransmessage.com/articles/iddat%20FM3.htm

If you can - please don't 'wait on' answers. Ask your question and if brother Joseph can respond - he will. There is also forum policy 2d to remain conscious of generally.


Gahaiile - The forum states:

1 (e) The default language of this forum is English. The only other language that will be permitted is Arabic with the proviso that an appropriate translation in English is provided.

Please can you ensure that observe this rule going forward please.


Wanderer - Just a gentle request - If you are going to quote brother Joseph or refer to something he has said, please can you provide supporting references. This is also a request also for all readers on the forum. Please see forum policy 2 (j) and (k)


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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 08:58:34 PM »
Peace. It's from 2:234 (here're some translations of 2:234).
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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 11:33:26 PM »
To sister Seraphim
The waiting period prescribed for widows is NOT refered to as 'iddat'.
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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2016, 01:52:51 AM »
Peace. Do you even know what the word means?
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Re: Iddah Reason
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2016, 02:04:43 AM »
To my knowledge, it detonates a prescribed waiting period. The term used in verse 2:234 is not 'iddat', and does not even denote the same period of time. Are you trying to ridicule me?
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Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe. (21:18)