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Crediting Source within Articles
« on: August 22, 2016, 11:58:51 AM »
Dear Joseph, Admin,
salaam/peace.

I note that in your articles you utilise Project Root List regularly but do not credit the source, e.g. this article:
http://quransmessage.com/articles/between%20hands%20or%20before%20it%20FM3.htm

A link or reference should be incorporated into the articles if used:
http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

Some of those who read your articles may not be aware of this resource, hence would find it useful once they are aware of it, as you have found.


Thanks.

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Re: Crediting Source within Articles
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 05:59:02 PM »
Wakas,


Can you please provide clear evidence of your allegation that "Project Root List regularly but do not credit the source". The articles on this site are known for being very well referenced. Edward Lanes is used frequently and is referenced as are other sources. Here are some examples. Readers appear to be well acquainted with this.

http://quransmessage.com/articles/thobe-jilbab%20FM3.htm

http://quransmessage.com/articles/ghurub%20FM3.htm

http://quransmessage.com/articles/nahar%20FM3.htm

http://quransmessage.com/articles/thakaytum%20FM3.htm


Also - the site you refer to also appears in the Useful Resources section of this site below and is acknowledged as a good site being referred to as...... "A high quality information portal for all those who wish to study the Quran"
http://quransmessage.com/articles/useful%20resource%20sites%20FM2.htm


Now either provide examples of where the site you mention appears in a number of articles without reference, or kindly remove your post. Just so that readers are aware, it seems the site you refer to relies heavily on Hanna Kassis's concordance and other classical dictionaries and appears to be a collation.


There doesn't seem to be any 'original' work or material on the site you mention from a thesaurus - classical Arabic dictionary point of view other than a general collation and links.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7717.20




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Re: Crediting Source within Articles
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 02:25:29 AM »
Dear moderator(s),

As-salamu alaykum

Thanks for following this up.

Given my intense time constraints, please kindly continue to monitor this thread and share any findings directly with me or deal directly, if appropriate. I am not sure what brother Wakas is alluding to as you have already kindly intimated. My articles are usually and if not in all cases, well or completely referenced.

However, it is quite possible that the source site Wakas is referring to also references the same source material that I may have used such as Hanna Kassis's concordance which you have again, quite rightly already mentioned.

I do endeavour to be very diligent with references albeit as far as the Arabic text is concerned, I attempt to reference it directly providing support from other sources to aid other English readers.

The focus of my articles are of course the central arguments that I am making / presenting.

If there is a reference that I may have inadvertently missed, please kindly let me know and I will have it updated, if appropriate.

Regards,
Joseph


'During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act' 
George Orwell

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Re: Crediting Source within Articles
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 12:14:16 AM »
Dear Joseph,

I agree that your articles are generally well referenced, I did not dispute that.

I'm suggesting they could be improved by referencing Project Root List when it is used, e.g. in addition to the example above:
http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20five%20prayers%20from%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm
http://quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20till%20night%20FM3.htm

Please note I did not check all of your articles on this site, nor any forum/FB posts.

I think readers would also find the source useful, as you have, hence suggesting to highlight it within the article.

If you feel that referencing it indirectly from the link (i.e. www.StudyQuran.org) on your resources page is sufficient, then fair enough.

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Re: Crediting Source within Articles
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 05:29:13 AM »
Salaam,
Wakas,

Are you part of the team who runs http://www.studyquran.org/ or owner? Just wondering  :)

Nevertheless, Mashallah it's extremely helpful and beneficial portal and the hub linking many Qruanic study sites. Keep up the excellent work. Jazak Allahu Khairan!
Thanks,
~ Student