Handshake or not ?

[Anjum]

Salam brother deliverance,

Even if it had existed or was written during that time Or whatever it is..it has no authority neither any importance according to Quran brother...not even a single verse says that..we may have to Follow something other than Quran..Quran is the only book which we should follow..this is written In various verses...

Regards
Anjum

[Deliverance]

Dear Anjum ,

Please let us go back to the Topic Handshaking.There is a hadith linked with a vers of the quran which indicates that the Prophet did not shake Hands with woman according to some ulama.
Aischa, the wife of the Prophet  said: 'When the believing women migrated (to Medina) and came to the Prophet they would be examined in accordance with the words in the Quran:

"O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bay’ah (pledge of allegiance), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood , and that they will not disobey you in any Ma'ruf then accept their Bay’ah (pledge of allegiance), and ask Allah to forgive them, Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". [Noble Quran 60:12]

Any of the believing women who accepted the conditions of the verse and agreed to live by them were considered to have offered themselves for giving their oaths of allegiance. When they declared their commitment to do so, the Prophet would say to them, "You may go. I have confirmed your allegiance."
I swear by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched the hand of a woman. He would receive their oath of allegiance by spoken declaration. I swear by Allah, the Prophet never took any vow from women except what Allah had ordered him to take and his palm never touched the palm of a woman. When he had taken their pledge, he would tell them he had taken their oath from them orally. ' [Sahih Muslim]

peace

[Anjum]

Brother deliverance

M sorry to say..u r again and again using hadeeth narration which has no authority according to Quran...its useless to talk about it...and of course rely on it...I would suggest u to go through articles of brother Joseph....

Regards
Anjum

[Deliverance]

Salam Anjum ,

Just wanted to know where this handshakephobia is coming from ,so i posted them.But i found something to ponder on it in sura 4:86"When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things."
Does this include handshaking ?Does God only want the People to greet oraly or does he except all greetingforms in the world and do we then have to follow the local custom equally or according to the vers above in a better way .

peace

[Duster]

Shalom / peace

Brother Joseph has a Q&A on this....Shaking a Woman's Hand .....

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1112.0

[Deliverance]

Peace Duster ,

Thank you for hinting to this ,so the Keyword which is making so much confusion is lamas i have read that it depends on which sort of Quran you are reading.Check this out.

أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاء
“…or ye have been in contact with women…”
The Shafi’is maintain that the word “lamastum”, translated here as ‘contact’ is touching by the hand. Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī stated in Al-Umm, “Lams (touching/contact) is done by the hand.” Their opponents disagree and argue that it is reference to coitus.  What is their proof that “lamastum – contact” means with the hand? Firstly, the Shafi’is recite this without the elongation of the Alif after the lam. So it is recited as: لمستم (lamastum). The literal meaning alludes to the touch that is less than coitus. Both recitations are reported authentically. This is the method of recitation transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad through  Hamzah and Al-Kisa’i.
Imam Al-Mawardi states in his Nukt Wal-’Uyun in commenting upon (4:43):
أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَآءَ
Or the “Laamastum An-Nisa’ (contact/touching of women)”
فيه قراءتان:
إحداهما: { لَمَسْتُمُ } بغير ألف، قرأ بها حمزة والكسائي.
والأخرى: { لاَمَسْتُمُ } ، وهي قراءة الباقين.
Regarding the recitation of this verse there are two modes:
1) Lamastum (without the elongation of the alif أ) this was the recitation of Hamzah and Al-Kasa’i.
2) Laamastum, with the elongation of the alif, and this is the recitation of the rest.

[Hamzeh]

Peace

Thanks Duster for sharing that thread

Thanks Deliverance for sharing, but I dont think the recitation makes any difference when the context and simple analysis makes it clear that verses 5:6, 4:43, is talking about ablution(wudu). One notes that there is a requirement on how one needs to perform the ablution when "water is present" and how one needs to perform ablution when "water is not present" so one can reach a state of purity.

The term "lamastum" with a little thought can be best argued that it is referring to sexual contact and not an ordinary non-sexual contact with any women.

Please note that the term "nisa". This term is in general. Speaking of women who one touches sexually. That would only mean lawful wives.

Touching the hands for example of ones mother, sisters, daughters, aunts, wives do not break the purity of a man state.

Salam

[Deliverance]

Salam Hamzeh,
I do agree with you Hamzeh think it makes a no sense if the the context is about Ablution.It is a difficult way of life always to renew your wudhu if you have touched a woman by shaking Hands or giving Money in Supermarket,backery ...etc.it doesnt make it easier with tayamum either to renew your state of purity.

But there are other Ayats where the context is not about Ablution.
Ibn Kathir, in his Tafsir for instance in another ayah, Allah says, "if you divorce them befor you have touched them, and have appointed to them a dowry, then pay half of that." [2:237]
and
"When you marry a believing woman and then divorce them before you have touched them, then there is no need to count the waiting period for them." [33:49]

{before you have touched them is قبل أن تمسّوهنّ (qabli an tamassuhunna). massa is a synonym of lamasa.}

so again the use of lamasa or in this case massa and it is obviously meant sexually

peace

[Sardar Miyan]

There no concept of Shaking hand by Muslim male with a Muslim woman. But even with males people
avoide with fellow males as thousands of Germs pass from one hand to the other so it is advisable not to shake hand but simply Say" Assalam Alaikum"

[Sardar Miyan]

In Arab culture the males kiss on the face each other.

[Deliverance]

Salam Sardar Miyan ,

Yes ,kissing on checks is also a customary in some mediterranian countrys between males and females also ,there are some People in Canada i think and they do greet each other with rubbing their nose eachother .

As a Muslim if i am not mistaken i had to follow the custom of the greeting form ,as vers 4:86 is stating to greet the same or in better way .
This is happenig if i do not follow the custom of the Region i am living in http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263012/switzerland-whats-handshake-hugh-fitzgerald

salam

[Deliverance]

Salam;
Some scolars Permit handshake with the oppposite Gender because of the vers to"lower your gaze"in the quran .They deduce from that vers if it is forbidden to look then it is more forbidden to shake Hands.