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aliens are use
« on: February 03, 2017, 09:41:50 AM »
Assalam alikum if aliens exsist does 45:13 And He has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth. It is all a favor and kindness from Him. Indeed there are signs in it for a people who think deeply) mean that we are meant to use aliens like our slaves or something like there meant to be lower than us etc

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Re: aliens are use
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 10:02:21 PM »
Dear Sharon,

As-salamu alaykum

Can you please rephrase your question with appropriate verse references with all that you are alleging please.

With respect, I cannot answer questions which are not clearly worded and or do not have verses to back the claims being made.

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Joseph
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Re: aliens are use
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 12:10:36 PM »
Do you not see that God has subjected to your use
All things in the heavens and on earth
And has made His bounties
Flow to you in exceeding measure,
Seen and unseen?”
[Quran 31:20]



Assalam alikum what I mean is the verse says everything is subjected to us so does that mean that if we find aliens are they meant to be are slaves also does this mean the jinns and angles are created for us

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Re: aliens are use
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 12:40:17 AM »
Dear Sharon,

As-salamu alaykum

Verses such as these must exercise some interpretative and logical constraints. Whereas there is no doubt that God has made much of what is in the observable and natural realm subservient to mankind with His will, this is arguably not an absolute reference to worlds we may have absolutely no control over and we are not allowed to penetrate. For example, arguably, a grain of sand billions of light years in a distant part of the galaxy is not going to be much use to man on Earth! The same could be argued for distant civilisations or other creations of God in the distant regions of the Universe who may have their own laws and reasons for existence in God's wider plan.

It is also noteworthy that the phrase 'heavens and the earth' can also be a reference to the observable sky and the lower heavens [1], [2]. For example, in verse 55:33 there is a clear indication that the 'heavens and earth' can be surpassed which is possibly then a reference to the lower heavens whereby these can be surpassed into outer cosmic space / deeper parts of the universe. Therefore, the term can indicate the immediate observable sky and the outer heavens (further afield). There is clear recognition that God has granted man some 'authority / power' (sultan) to explore and conquer. But the phrase 'la tanfudhuna illa bisultanin' (Ye will never penetrate them save with (Our) sanction) also appears to present some limitations / control. The verse is also addressed to both man and jinn.

Therefore, the phrase 'heavens and the earth' may just be a reference to what is on earth and the immediate sky (not necessarily the outer heavens).

The verse that you have quoted (31:20) is then arguably a reference to the all things (which God has permitted and are of use to mankind from the Heavens and the Earth) and have been specifically subjected to the use of humans by His will. Of course, there are observable bounties and there are those bounties / forces that are obscured to our mind and are useful to mankind beyond the realms of our immediate knowledge.

However, the implication of 'all things' should not necessarily be interpreted in the 'absolute sense' but rather, in the remit of all what God has bestowed on us for our use.  For example, even though we may never be able to penetrate distant galaxies and stars, on Earth these objects in the night and their location in the sky can still assist in the navigation of travellers at sea and on land. However, there are galaxies and stars we may never see from the Earth which begs the question, of what use are they then to man?

Therefore, given the above, this does not mean that every alien, jinn and or angel is automatically created as slaves (as you have put it) / subjugated for mankind's use. The verse must arguably have a logical constraint within its interpretation.

I hope this helps, God willing.
Joseph


REFERENCES:

[1] HEAVEN(S) AND PARADISE - THE DIFFERENCE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/heaven%20and%20paradise%20FM3.htm
[2] ARE THERE SEVEN HEAVENS OR SEVERAL HEAVENS?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/are%20there%20seven%20heavens%20or%20several%20heavens%20FM3.htm
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Re: aliens are use
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2017, 04:44:42 AM »
Assalam alikum thanks so when it says animals are created and subjected for us does that mean that is all what animals are meant for that they are just things like metal and rock because there are verses what make it sound like god loves them but then other verses make it sound like there nothing but things what makes it sound like god doesn't love or care about them that he cares about them as equal to plants that animals are equal to plants like when it says in the quran the disbelievers are worser than cattle that verse makes it sound like god doesn't love animals but only as equal to plants or the earth so does god love the animals or not and does god love them higher than plants and the earth and things like rock etc

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Re: aliens are use
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 09:31:56 AM »
Like when it says allah turned some people to apes and swines etc it makes it sound like pigs and apes are bad cretures that he doesn't like.  Like above saying worse than cattle like cattle are cretures that allah thinks are bad and dislikes

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Re: aliens are use
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 10:22:42 AM »
Sharon,

Brother Joseph and others have answered your questions. However, it seems you keep repeating them over and over again and on different threads.  Please kindly stop this or you will be removed from this forum.

Thanks.