36:41 - Are we all from the people of the Ark?

[yahya]

Assalam alikum I was just wondering does this verse 36:41 prove that every one on earth is from the people of the ark

[Duster]

Shalom / peace....Yes, and we also just spent a whole thread discussing it too!

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2303.msg11993#msg11993

We are from Prophet Noah's seed ......and he is from the seed of Adam. So we are ultimately from Adam. Just like I'm from my grandfather and he is ultimately from the seed of Noah and Adam......

[yahya]

Ok thanks also I was just wondering did the people of shuaib the people of maydan build houses out of mountains like thamud because if yes I have an instesting theory if yes maybe they were the ones who built those dwellings in petra and madain al saleh

[Duster]

I get a feeling you are asking thamud type questions again that you've discussed on many other threads ...I would suggest finding the original threads and adding to them rather than polluting threads again or starting new threads .... I'm just conscious the number of times you've been warned and the mods doing it again .... like I said ... just a suggestion.

[Joseph Islam]

As-salamu alaykum,

Thank you Duster. I do agree with you that we must try to ensure that we keep the threads consistent with the opening subject matter and not 'pollute' threads as you have shared.

Dear Yayha,

Please can I also kindly and respectfully request that you please take note of this. This will also keep you away from any unnecessary warnings from the moderators and allow us all to benefit from each other (questions and answers)

If you find that there is a similar question you want to ask on a particular subject matter discussed before, please try to locate the original thread and add to it, rather than start the conversation on another or new thread(s).

With respect and regards,
Joseph

[yahya]

Ok thanks right this is my main question since we agree that we all come from the ark and we agree we that the prophet saw the dwellings of ad and thamud how can this be because if the prophet could see there dwellings that means that ad and thamud could only come with in the last 10 thousand years but the quran says ad and thamud was near noah 7:74 7:69 so if they came within the last 10 thousand years how could noah come that short and we come from the ark because humans have been here for at least 40 thousand bc that's what I'm confused about

[Joseph Islam]

Dear Yayha,

As-salamu alaykum,

It respectfully appears that your confusion may be borne from faulty premises.

You kindly share:

"but the quran says ad and thamud was near noah 7:74 7:69" (bold emphasis mine)

The Quran does not categorically state this. I think this has already been mentioned, but just because one community is referenced to come after another in the Quran does not imply any particular timescale. This is no different from stating that the 'Mughal Empire' came after the 'Roman Empire'. This is as true as saying the 'Mughal Empire' came after the Thamud. Both statements are arguably true and yet, there are no specific 'date' timelines that can be extracted from just those statements.

The people of Thamud came after Prophet Noah's people could mean hundreds of years or even thousands. No exact time chronology can be determined from the Quran other than sequence and nor does the Quran intend to provide exact dates.

One cannot extract 'time dates' from a general chronology.

I hope this helps, God willing.

Regards,
Joseph

[yahya]

Thanks but it's not just that it says they came after because if that was all what it said then yes I can agree with you but it says that ad was the first khalifas after noah and thamud was the first khalifas after ad this is more the problem it's like me saying the next king after noah is ad that would mean there very close because if there was a big time gap between the 2 that would mean there was no khalifa nation between the 2 also 9:42 (says noah ad and thamud and those who came after none no who they are but allah) that means they were close also 25:38 (ad and thamud and ar rass and many generations in between) also for sake of argument yet say noah came 40 thousand bc and ad came 5 thousand bc that would mean there was no khalifa in between or ad is the khalifa nation for that big of gap also that would mean there was no nation in between who was committing shirk for that long because of ad being the khalifa nation also we have the gobekli temple whitch proves people were committing shirk at least by 9500 bc

So what I'm saying is yes I have no problem with saying after because after means nothing I abs agree with that but it is the khalifa word because that's what says they were close because it's saying they were made the kings after noah thanks jazzakkallah 

[yahya]

Also from the sound off the quran noahs nation was the first ever khalifa but I thought adam was the first khalifa and then his son and son on etc

[Joseph Islam]

Dear Yayha,

As-salamu alaykum,

The Quran does not appear to provide details of every civilisation that ever roamed the planet. Rather, the Quran seems more inclined to share narratives of civilisations / people with which the primary audience would be generally familiar with to impart a message.

Furthermore, depending on context, a 'khalifa' can mean different things. It can apply to individuals and communities / a people. I have already shared the following explanation with you.

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2293.msg11928#msg11928

Here is another explanation to cover the wider ambit of the word's interpretation:

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=374.msg1120#msg1120

I have a feeling that you believe that Adam and Prophet Noah roamed the earth in a certain period (BC). Can you please share your timelines please and also please kindly share with me the evidence from the Quran or the Bible where you extract the evidence of your timeline from.

Regards,
Joseph

[yahya]

Ok thanks well there has too be at least five timeliness and one of them has to be correct

1. First came adam then there was a giant gap then came noah then ad then thamud

2. First came adam then noah then there was giant gap then came ad then thamud

3. First came adam then noah then ad then a giant gap then thamud

4. First came adam then noah then ad then thamud then a giant gap then abraham

5. First came adam then noah then ad then thamud then abraham that there was no giant gap

But it defferlty can't be 5. Because it has been proven that there was a large village in amarica 14000 bc and humans making pottery 20 thousand bc in China so there had to be humans on earth at least 30 thousand bc because if 5. Was correct that would mean adam and noah came only in the last 10 thousand years  so adam or noah had to come at least 30 thousand bc



My favourite thery was the first one because noah flood probably happened around the end off the ice age and also science is saying we bred with the neanderthals whitch would mean neanderthals are humans so that would mean the common ancester came 700 thousand bc but the problem was with 69:11 whitch makes it sound like we all come from noah so if yes

Would mean noah came between 30 thousand bc to 700 thousand bc but that makes stuff difficult with ad and thamud because like we said the Arabs could see there dwellings and I can't see that there dwellings could off survive from 30 thousand bc to when the prophet came so ad and thamud had to come within the last 10 thousand years and like I was saying above 7:69 makes it sound like ad was close with noah within a 5 thousand years gap so if ad came within the last 10 thousand years that would mean ad came no further than 10 thousand bc so noah would of come about 5 thousand years before that so that would make noah about 15 thousand bc so if that's the case that would mean we all came from the ark that short ago but like I said there was a village in amarica by 14 thousand bc and pottery 20 thousand years ago and some were saying that we were making bread 30 thousand years ago



So this is my information also if there were 10 generations between adam and noah and with there life span of being a 1000 years old that would make a time gap of 10 thousand years I can't see how humans would stay in one place that they didn't ho else where also since people say noahs flood was in Turkey that would mean a whole group of humans staying together from moving from Africa to arabia to turkey without some going there different ways

[yahya]

But maybe the first one is correct and that we didn't all come from noah maybe 69:11 was meaning only the Arabs because that would make sense because if 17:3 is saying the children of israily came from noahs ark it would make sense the Arabs came from noahs ark because the Arabs and children of israily came from abraham maybe noahs populated most of the middle east and egypt nut not Asia etc but the verse 69:11 says (you) witch makes it sound like to all of us abd 69:12 says (a reminder and sign to you) so this makes it sound like we all came from the ark whitch makes stuff difficult

But all I know for certain is that humans have been here at least 30 thousand bc  at least so this is the problem and where we go from jazzakkallah because humans no way could off come shorter than 25 thousand bc because of the village in amarica and gobkie temple and pottery and bread

[yahya]

And we domesticated dogs 33 thousands years ago

[yahya]

Also isn't 14:9 and 25:38 proof of a long gap between thamud and abraham

[yahya]

And 23:42-44