Asalamu Alykum
Dear brother good logic
You do seem to be kindly stating the same thing but at the same time giving a different impression.
I think we all understand that the hikma that God is referring to would be derived from the Quran and is not sanctioning any other books as a religious authority.
Wisdom from the Quran however could need to be further clarified and elucidated in simple terms and in different forms and concepts or charters. The Quran does at some point or points in life need to be interpreted and broken down to concepts and subject matters.
Although the people in the time of Prophet Muhammad understood the arabic they still needed to grasp the wisdom behind the verses. This is not something anyone can do by simple recitation, in my opinion however it really does need the help of God to grant wisdom to someone or people and without it to me its unfathomable.
Kinda off topic but how did or are people going to tell when Messengers or Prophet's came to them? They would recognize at least his words bare some sort of great wisdom and knowledge not the ordinary man can speak. Of course they would be sent with the Book but also given wisdom.
Now to say that the wisdom/enlightenment the Prophet was given from God to understand the Quran was not captured in any form or followed by righteous people or that it is not needed at all and thrown out is foolish and would be also akin to saying anyone who has been given wisdom from God today or any righteous soul that interprets the Quran using its own verses is never to be used and thrown out. Thats like starting from scratch every time after some wisdom was shared.
Brother Joseph's posts on this subject seem to capture all the right points Masha'Allah and it does seem that you are not letting the points get to you because your thinking the Ahadith are going to be sanctioned. Thats not the case.
The word "hikma"(wisdom) in verse 33:34 although can possibly rightfully mean the literal verses of the Quran as they are recited but also may be any wisdom(hikma) that would be extracted from the Quran and would not necessarily have the same literal wording as the verses(ayat) of the Quran. This is what I see you might be lacking to grasp and that any vestige of knowledge that we have concerning the verses of God maybe of good use Insha'Allah.
A verse(s) in the Quran may contain so much hikma(wisdom) that it might take pages or even books for a person or people to put it into writing and explain its meaning. This might call for the use of dictionaries and so on to understand the language it was originally in but does not mean that the Quran is not being used alone. It certainly is.
Sometimes the wisdom that the Quran contains will need to be researched and thought out using many other verses and connecting the dots to come to a reasonable concept. As you can see many good people have done this, and this is of course hikma(wisdom) that is from God given to people.
There also might be new hikma(wisdom) from the verses of God that will be unveiled in the present or future that would come to light. This would need to be explained and so on using peoples own words.
The Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) would of also had wisdom given to him from God.
As some may see, not everyone is given the ability to understand and explain the verses of the Quran. One would need the wisdom(hikma) to go along with it.
33:34 And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware.Although there is evidence that the way the verse is phrased that the wisdom is indeed in the verses of the Quran and not in any other sources at all. This is crystal clear. Here is an example from an excerpt of brother Joseph's article
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For example, in the following verse, we note:
055:068
"In both of them (are) fruits (Arabic: fakihatun) and (wa) date-palms and (wa) pomegranates"
Here the conjunction 'wa' (and) when used with date-palms and pomegranates only clarifies the 'fruits' and is not read as separate from the category of fruits (fakihatun).
Similarly, in verse 15:87 the 'great Quran' is only an elucidation of the 'several oft-repeated' description that has been used to describe its central core message."
However the verse in question 33:34 does seem to be asking the people of the house and/or the wives of the Prophet to bear in mind or to keep hold to of that which is
recited/spoke in their houses of the verses of God and wisdom. The wisdom here could possibly be the knowledge and wisdom that was extracted from the Quran by the Prophet. This would not be the same literal verses of the Quran but the interpretation of the Quran's verses or some verses by the Prophet's of course by the will of God, as God is the One who gives wisdom to whom ever He pleases. Again this does not mean that it was everything or has any religious authority. That is why now I see a Quran-centric position is a powerful position indeed. Masha'Allah. Also the Quran does need to be interpreted and broken down to concepts and subject matters.
The wisdom of old can be passed down and new wisdom may be added and collected and combined, may God be willing. The Quran is the final judge and source for all right and wrong, true and false matters.
you said
"Well, They may be right in that verses and Hikmah are two seperate things ,but they are both included in the "whole package" called the book(Qoran), like "Jaakum mina Allahi Nooran wa kitaban mubeen" the Noor is contained in the book,not outside it. Same as Hikmah.
My argument is simply that Hikmah is inside Qoran."
Yes brother good logic they are not from outside the Quran but the hikma and noor thats contained in the Quran need to be published by way of either written down, typed, spoken or told to people to get the meanings. Which makes them separate in that way but also not limited to as although the verses in the literal form also have hikma and noor as well without any further clarification at times.
I think this is the point brother Duster was getting to as well. Insha'Allah we all agree.
Also just to share what I thought would be considered hikma, is imagine if one was asked the question "
when does a new day begin in Islam?" The Quran does not in one line or verse detail the info of when a new day begins. Although the Quran does contain that information but in my humble opinion it would need wisdom to clear up the matter which God gives as a gift to whom He pleases. Masha'Allah
Peace and Blessings Insha'Allah
When Does a New Day Begin in Islam?
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1338.0