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praying
« on: October 04, 2018, 08:42:00 AM »
how would one go about praying in a car?

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Re: praying
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2018, 01:11:41 PM »
Shalom / peace ... No fixed method as usual form can't be met.... Just do the best one can. Two excellent articles from brother Joseph that might help:

DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH SINCERITY - http://quransmessage.com/articles/best%20you%20can%20FM3.htm
A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH PRAYER AT MADINAT AL-ZAHRA (AL ANDALUS) - http://quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20at%20al-andalus%20FM3.htm


Also see verse: 2.238-239. Brother Joseph picks this up in the following article:
http://quransmessage.com/articles/shortening%20of%20prayers%20FM3.htm

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Re: praying
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 10:37:11 AM »
how would one go about praying in a car?

Praying means to follow something closely in the Arabic language. In the context of the Quran, praying means to read the Quran at specific times on a day, so that we can remember God and follow God closely with Hes commandments.

So how could you pray in the car? Well, turn on the Quran and listen to it. That would be the best way of praying in a car. You don't want to hold the Book in your hand at that time since you should focus on traffic as well.

It's better to pray in a place where u can sit and read the Book and where u can perform a bowing and prostration after reading. When i bow i make supplications, and when i prostrate i praise God.

I hope this method will help you. I learned it from the Quran. Nobody else did teach me this. If you want to know more, then say it, and i will post the verses that i use for this method.
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Re: praying
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2019, 12:23:16 AM »
Praying means to follow something closely in the Arabic language. In the context of the Quran, praying means to read the Quran at specific times on a day

Shalom / peace .... can you give any clear evidence of this definition from the Qur'an or any reliable classic dictionary please ....

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Re: praying
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2019, 11:50:24 PM »
Do you know Arabic? Study 4:103. And all other instances about verses which contain the word prayer in it. See my other post where i numbered all the verses i could find with the word prayer in it. There are like 100 of them or something. This will also help you with understanding the Quranic context of the word.

About the meaning of the word:

ص ل و  = Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse’s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.

musalla (مصلي) n. m. - 2:125

salat (صلاة) n. f. sing. - 2:3, 2:43, 2:45, 2:83, 2:110, 2:153, 2:177, 2:238, 2:277, 4:43, 4:77, 4:101, 4:102, 4:103, 4:103, 4:103, 4:142, 4:162, 5:6, 5:12, 5:55, 5:58, 5:91, 5:106, 6:72, 6:92, 6:162, 7:170, 8:3, 8:35, 9:5, 9:11, 9:18, 9:54, 9:71, 9:103, 10:87, 11:87, 11:114, 13:22, 14:31, 14:37, 14:40, 17:78, 17:110, 19:31, 19:55, 19:59, 20:14, 20:132, 21:73, 22:35, 22:41, 22:78, 23:2, 24:37, 24:41, 24:56, 24:58, 24:58, 27:3, 29:45, 29:45, 30:31, 31:4, 31:17, 33:33, 35:18, 35:29, 42:38, 58:13, 62:9, 62:10, 70:23, 70:34, 73:20, 98:5, 107:5
salawat (صلوات) nom. gen. n. plu. - 2:157, 2:238, 9:99, 22:40, 23:9

salla (صلي) vb.II m.
perf. act. 75:31, 87:15, 96:10
impf. act. 3:39, plu. neg. 4:102, plu. 4:102, tusalli (تصل) neg. 9:84, yusallee (يصلي) sing. 33:43, yusalloona (يصلون) plu. 33:56
salli (صل) impv. 9:103, salloo (صلوا) plu. 33:56, 108:2
musalleena (مصلين) pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 70:22, 74:43, 107:4

LL, V4, p: 444, 445  ##  http://ejtaal.net/aa/#q=SLW

I learned from the Quran that the Quranic context of prayer/salaat means to follow something closely. Just as the root dictionary says as well. It means everything that makes you follow God closely. And the context of prayer can be found in 4:103 which means to read the Book at scheduled times (the prayer times). This is what exactly the salaat means. After reading the Book, i prostrate as i can learn from the verse about the believers who were praying with Muhammad by turn. After they prayed, they prostrated, and another group came, and Muhammad was leading the prayer while groups coming in and out. And according to the Quranic context i believe he was reciting the Quran to them and they were reading/listening etc. after that, they prostrated and moved on.
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Re: praying
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 12:23:03 AM »
peace,

how would one go about praying in a car?

I assume you are referring to salat (what some call "prayer"), then the preference is to be stationary, and being on the move is for when in fear, see 2:238-239.

Also note that some claim one must face a certain direction during the regular/timed salat but when you travel you would of course be facing in the direction you are going. Direction is irrelevant according to 2:142, 2:115, 2:177

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Re: praying
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 12:26:04 AM »
Do you know Arabic?

You keep making this claim .. Are you an Arabic scholar ? Are you ? Do you have any formal qualifications? .... see .. that is what it feels like ... If you don't have any recognised formal Arabic qualifications .. then please don't direct these kind of questions towards me .. PLEASE !!!

Now regards this ....

I learned from the Quran that the Quranic context of prayer/salaat means to follow something closely. Just as the root dictionary says as well.

The way I see it ... this claim has been debunked in my opinion even by brother Joseph .. See a lengthy debate here ...

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg26#msg26
PDF here ----> http://quransmessage.com/files/forum%20pdfs/Salaat%20=%20Follow%20the%20Quran.pdf


Even in the root dictionary you mention ... this 'following closely' claim seems to be in the context of a horse ...



ص ل و  = Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse’s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm



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Re: praying
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 10:34:39 PM »
The part about the horse is just an example of what praying means. It can be everything instead of a horse. God, a prophet etc. take a look at the Quran and you will see the examples of praying and there are some verses which their context is very clear about praying being 'to follow something closely'.

Anyways...

I think it's better for us if we stop discussing Duster. To each hes own method of praying. I hope God will accept your prayers and may they be blessed. The most important thing is to have a good heart, love God, love your neighbor, love others as yourself. Peace.
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