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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2019, 11:20:21 PM »
Salaam,


The last word of each chapter of the Quran and prime numbers.

An interesting observation about the last word of each chapter of the 114 chapters of the Quran.

The total number of letters of these last words is 619

619 is the 114 th prime number.


 Chapter number - last word - number of letters




- List of prime numbers up to 120 th




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The last word of which the number of letters is a prime number ( i.e. 3, 5, 7 )

The sum of these letters is 285

285 = 19 x 15




Source:

The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)
http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/1/1690-2014-07-03-19-11-02
or
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9obKsQW-2LlazNfQjRGYS1ORlk/view

-Quran : Uthmani Script.


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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2019, 06:12:08 PM »
Salaam,


Some interesting observations about the Basmalah, the 114 chapters of the Quran
and the position of the chapters (with initial letters) in the Quran, considering the indication in 74:30-31 and 72:28












































Source:

The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)
http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/...07-03-19-11-02
or
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...RGYS1ORlk/view

-Quran : Uthmani Script.

http://www.alargam.com/prove2/burhan3/6.htm
http://www.alargam.com/


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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2020, 02:24:18 PM »
Salaam,


The last word of each chapter of the Quran and prime numbers.

An interesting observation about the last word of each chapter of the 114 chapters of the Quran.

The total number of letters of these last words is 619

619 is the 114 th prime number.


 Chapter number - last word - number of letters




- List of prime numbers up to 120 th




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The last word of which the number of letters is a prime number ( i.e. 3, 5, 7 )

The sum of these letters is 285

285 = 19 x 15




Source:

The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)
http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/1/1690-2014-07-03-19-11-02
or
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9obKsQW-2LlazNfQjRGYS1ORlk/view

-Quran : Uthmani Script.


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Salaam,


 

        The last word of each chapter of the 29 chapters with initial letters of the Quran.

        An interesting observation about the last words of the 29 chapters with initial letters.
        - The total number of letters of these last words is 171


        - The total number of letters of the last words of the first 19 chapters with initial letters is 114








        The 29 chapters with initial letters and the last letter of their 2743 verses

        - The 29 chapters with initial letters of the Quran consist of 2743 verses, the last letter of these verses consist of 19 different letters.






        Source:

        The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)
        http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/...07-03-19-11-02
        or
        https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...RGYS1ORlk/view

        -Quran : Uthmani Script.


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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2020, 12:12:45 AM »

Salaam,



https://youtu.be/V1spL9AGt4A


 

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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2020, 01:38:59 PM »
Thank you very much for these. Please keep it up.

Have you considered Quran 54:1, moon landing thing? Check out what I wrote on this:

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2858.0

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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2020, 04:36:17 PM »
Salaam,


Thank you very much for these. Please keep it up.


Peace Lobotomize94,
Thanks for the encouragement.


Have you considered Quran 54:1, moon landing thing? Check out what I wrote on this:

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2858.0

You explained it very well.

[54:1] The Hour has come closer, and the Moon has split.

Sura (Chapter) 54 of the Quran is THE ONLY chapter in the Quran titled “Al-Qamar” which means “The Moon”.

The form of the word "splitting" in arabic language when the Quran is describing this event can also be used as a form of ploughing the lands because there ARE other verses in the Quran using this "splitting" word, for example when the Quran describes rain waters "splitting" the ground )

And now If we are to count all the remaining verses right after this specific verse right all the way to the end of the Quran, we will count exactly 1389 too! The year 1389 Hijri in the Muslim calendar corresponds exactly to the year 1969 AD in the Gregorian calendar, the year in which man landed on the moon for the very first time and ploughed the moon's surface of about 21kg of moon soil. On July 20, 1969 ( 6th day of the 5th month of 1389 Hijri ), as part of Apollo 11 mission, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the Moon, and bring back to earth about 21 kg of moon soil.

We should note that it is true that the Quran was NOT numbered at the time of the prophet. But the Quran is from God and God said that he would compile it. So the numbering of the Quran later than the prophet Muhammad was influenced by Allah who promised he would do it and preserve the Quran. So if the Quran is true, and Allah exists, wrote it and promised he would compile it, then he would compile the verses and their numbering in the Quran--which this evidence would indicate that indeed Allah did and that the numbering of the Quran after the prophet was indeed influenced if not caused by Allah by virtue of these miracles.

It is very telling that the number of verses after the moon verse is exactly the year of the moon landing. This is quite interesting. July 1969 corresponds to the year 1389 (not 1390, don't make that mistake, the Hijri calendar is different, so the years are not 1:1, look it up for your own reference).

What are the odds there would be exactly 1389 verses after that moon verse? That verse could have been any number, but what are the odds it was exactly 1389, the year humans landed on the moon? It could've been 1390, 1391, 1400, 1500, 3000, any other number, but it was 1389--the year of the moon landing.

Lets read the following verses after (54:1) –
“The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer. Then they saw a great miracle; but they turned away and said, “Old magic.” They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.” (The Quran, from 54:1 to 54:3)
Here, the author of The Quran specifically states – “the moon has split”, then people will see “a great miracle”, yet they still “disbelieved”. Could the “great miracle” be the fulfillment of prophecy? The quran makes it clear that the moon has split when the hour has drawn closer--which is already hinting that this is a future event when the hour has come nearer.

(One of the signs of the Day of Judgement. The Arabic uses the past tense, as if that Day were already here, to help the reader/listener imagine how it will be. Some traditional commentators hold the view that this describes an actual event at the time of the Prophet, but it clearly refers to the end of the world: cf. the same expression with reference to the sky, 55: 37; 84: 1.)

But non-withstanding what that verse actually means, let's ignore what the verse means--what are the odds that the number of verses after the first verse of the only chapter titled the moon would be 1389--the exact year humans land on the moon. The chances of this are very low. It seems like 99.9999999+% chance that it could have been literally any other number, but why was it this significant number?? It could've been any number, but it was this one, the one number that has direct significance to the first Apollo mission...Why did the quran have the number of verses it does and not more/less, why was that chapter conveniently placed in a spot such that there was exactly 1389 verses after it? What are the odds, it could have been any number, any number of verses could have existed etc etc!



I referred to here:


Salaam,

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An indication in the Quran in (chapter 54- The Moon  Al Qamar , 1) referring to the landing on the moon.

54:1- The Hour has come closer and the moon has split (shaqqa).

iq'tarabati l-sāʿatu wa-inshaqqa l-qamaru

اقتربت الساعه وانشق القمر


https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/1/default.htm




There is another indication in the Quran in the above verse referring to the landing on the moon. In order to have a better insight into this, let us dwell on the connotation of the Arabic word “shaqqa” which, among its multifarious meanings, signifies “rending asunder,” “splitting,” “fissuring;” it may also signify plowing the soil.

    25- We pour forth water in abundance.
    (chapter 80- He Frowned, 25)

    26- And We split (shaqqa) the earth in fragments.
    (chapter 80- He Frowned, 26)

As we see, to describe the fissures made by water on the earth’s soil, the same word “shaqqa” is used. One of the most important events that occasioned man’s visit to the moon was the sampling of the soil on the surface of the moon. The surface of the moon was fissured by man for the first time in history. The term “shaqqa” may refer to this cleavage.

We have examined the 1st verse of the sura “The Moon.” The 2nd verse of the same sura addresses the wrongdoers who preferred to ignore the evidences of God.

 
    2- Yet if they see a sign they turn away and they say, “A continuous sorcery!”
    (chapter 54- The Moon, 2)


http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/journey-to-the-moon/



The number of verses after 54:1 to the end of the Quran is 1389.

The year 1389 Hijri in the Muslim calendar corresponds to year 1969  in the Gregorian calendar, the year in which man landed on the moon for the first time
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http://www.discoveringislam.org/mathematical_miracles.htm
https://www.gawaher.com/topic/738769-numerical-miracles-in-the-quran-real-evidence/?do=findComment&comment=1258639



Gregorian to Hijri Calender (July 21, 1969)  :

https://www.islamicfinder.org/islamic-date-converter/
https://www.searchtruth.com/hijri/





sources:
http://www.sumanasinc.com/webcontent/animations/content/sidereal.html
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-orbit-of-the-moon/
https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir34104/#.XHZlzqBCeCh
http://www.discoveringislam.org/mathematical_miracles.htm
https://www.gawaher.com/topic/738769-numerical-miracles-in-the-quran-real-evidence/?do=findComment&comment=1258639
Quran Uthmani Script
The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)
http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/...07-03-19-11-02
or
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9obKsQW-2LlazNfQjRGYS1ORlk/view


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A video about the the prophecy:

https://youtu.be/azzZx7oO-EU




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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2020, 11:52:12 PM »
Salaam ibn_a

I noticed that your posts are mainly about numbering of verses etc in the Quran to show the number 19. There seems to be an obsession of showing the pattern of 19 using mathematical formulas in order to prove that it is a special number in relation to Quran 74:30. Do you not think that by doing this, a person would get side tracked instead of reading the Quran?

The meaning of the words should be reflected and upon that basis, someone can decide if they believe it to be God's word?

Also in your post about the numbers of 'Basmalah' there is a BIG MISTAKE which ruins the formula used to find 19. It says that 'The Basmalah has 19 letters and is repeated 114 times in the Quran 114 = 19 x6'

Bismillah OCCURS IN THE QURAN 115 TIMES, not 114 times

113 of those are at the start of the chapters (Surah Taubah has no Bismillah)
2 of those are found inside chapters. 1 Bismillah in Surah Hud and 1 Bismillah inside Surah Naml


Surah Hud
“He said, “Embark upon it. In the Name of God be its coursing and its mooring. Truly my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.” (11:41)

Surah Naml
“Verily, it is from Solomon and verily it is, In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.” (27:30)

So your 'Basmalah' formula is incorrect!



 

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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2020, 04:13:14 PM »
Salaam,


Salaam ibn_a

I noticed that your posts are mainly about numbering of verses etc in the Quran to show the number 19. There seems to be an obsession of showing the pattern of 19 using mathematical formulas in order to prove that it is a special number in relation to Quran 74:30.
...

Salaam Truth Seeker,

- Not about obsession, the question should be:
Is there a numerical structure in the Quran and what is the purpose?
If not, then what is the information for example given in:

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/72/28/default.htm

72:28 So as to make manifest that they have conveyed the messages of their Lord. He encompasses what they have, and has counted everything in numbers.

AND

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/24/

74:24 Then he said, "Not (is) this but magic imitated.
74:25 Not (is) this but (the) word (of) a human being."
74:26 Soon I will drive him (into) Hell.
74:27 And what can make you know what (is) Hell?
74:28 Not it lets remain and not it leaves,
74:29 Scorching the human (skin).
74:30 Over it (are) nineteen.
74:31 And not We have made keepers (of) the Fire except Angels. And not We have made their number except (as) a trial for those who disbelieve - that may be certain those who were given the Scripture and may increase those who believe (in) faith, and not may doubt those who were given the Scripture and the believers, and that may say those in their hearts (is) a disease and the disbelievers "What (does) intend Allah by this example?" Thus does let go astray Allah whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none knows (the) hosts (of) your Lord except Him. And not it (is) but a reminder to (the) human beings.
74:32 Nay! By the moon,
74:33 And the night when it departs,
74:34 And the morning when it brightens,
74:35 Indeed, it (is) surely one (of) the greatest,
74:36 A warning to (the) human being,




 ... Do you not think that by doing this, a person would get side tracked instead of reading the Quran?
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- Not sure why someone would think that the numerical structure of the Quran distract from reading the Quran and reflecting, on the contrary I think it is a divine tool among others to ponder on the Quran.



...
The meaning of the words should be reflected and upon that basis, someone can decide if they believe it to be God's word?
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That does not exclude that the Quran contains for example :
scientific facts, historical facts, linguistic perfection, numerical structure, prophecies ,etc...

Some examples to consider about the structure of the Quran:

- Chapter 2 has 286 verses,  why such a long chapter, compared to :

- Chapter 108 very short chapter,  which has only 3 verses:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
انا اعطينك الكوثر
فصل لربك وانحر
ان شانيك هو الابتر


- The legth of 74:31 compared to the other verses in this chapter.
- Absence of the basmalah in chapter 9, extra basmalah inside chapter 27.
- What about the chapters with initial letters, and their location.
- Events repeated and scattered throughout the Quran :
       Moses and Pharaoh ,  Noah and his people , Adam and the angels/malaika, etc...


Human logic would expect:

- Chapters of approximately the same length.
- A chapter dedicated to each Prophet / Messenger, like chapter Joseph.
- A chapter about creation, Hereafter,...
- Historical order, etc...



...

Also in your post about the numbers of 'Basmalah' there is a BIG MISTAKE which ruins the formula used to find 19. It says that 'The Basmalah has 19 letters and is repeated 114 times in the Quran 114 = 19 x6'

Bismillah OCCURS IN THE QURAN 115 TIMES, not 114 times

113 of those are at the start of the chapters (Surah Taubah has no Bismillah)
2 of those are found inside chapters. 1 Bismillah in Surah Hud and 1 Bismillah inside Surah Naml


Surah Hud
“He said, “Embark upon it. In the Name of God be its coursing and its mooring. Truly my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.” (11:41)

Surah Naml
“Verily, it is from Solomon and verily it is, In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.” (27:30)

So your 'Basmalah' formula is incorrect!

- No it is not a mistake, with all due respect, but I think that you confound what is scholarly named as:
  "THE BASMALAH / البسمله "  with "BISMI  ALLAH / بسم الله "


 "THE BASMALAH / البسمله "   i.e       بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
has 19 letters and occurs 114 times in the Quran



https://www.academia.edu/37494956/Farid_Gabteni_-_The_Sun_Rises_in_the_West_9th_edition_2018_
page: 141


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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2020, 01:30:43 AM »
MashAllah, please keep the post live....I'm fascinated and amazed by this aspect of the Majestic Quran too
Thanks,
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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2020, 06:58:56 AM »
Bismillah OCCURS IN THE QURAN 115 TIMES, not 114 times

113 of those are at the start of the chapters (Surah Taubah has no Bismillah)
2 of those are found inside chapters. 1 Bismillah in Surah Hud and 1 Bismillah inside Surah Naml


Surah Hud
“He said, “Embark upon it. In the Name of God be its coursing and its mooring. Truly my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.” (11:41)

Surah Naml
“Verily, it is from Solomon and verily it is, In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.” (27:30)

So your 'Basmalah' formula is incorrect!

Quran 11:41 is not the full Bismillah. It's just a portion. I believe he was talking about the full Bismillah "Bismallah Al-rahman, Al-raheem"  [In the name of God, the compassionate, the Merciful]

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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2020, 03:55:56 PM »
Salaam,


MashAllah, please keep the post live....I'm fascinated and amazed by this aspect of the Majestic Quran too

Salaam Student,
Thanks for your interest.

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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2020, 04:45:58 PM »
Salaam,


Number 13 and 31 in the Quran.

In chapter 55 Al-Rahman, which is composed of 78 verses,
there is a verse that is numerically distinguished between the verses of the Quran, it is the verse :

Which, then, of your Sustainer’s powers can you disavow?
فباي الا ربكما تكذبان

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/13/default.htm


- This verse is repeated in chapter Al-Rahman 31 times.
The first time this verse is mentioned is in verse number 13, reverse of 31.

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- Verse 31 in this chapter has 13 different letters.

55:31 [ONE DAY] We shall take you to task, O you sin-laden two!
سنفرغ لكم ايه الثقلان

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/31/default.htm






- The repeated verses ( 31 verses ) are surrounded by 13 verses.

12 verses before verse 13 ( first time where the repeated verse is mentioned ),

and 1 verse after verse 77 ( last time where the repeated verse is mentioned ).




- The sum of the 12 verse numbers before verse 13 is 78, same as the last verse number:

1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12 13  ... 77  78

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 = 78


-The total number of verses of chapter Al-Rahman = 78

78 = 13 x 6
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The total number of words in chapter Al-Rahman = 351

351 = 13 × 27
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The number of letters of the non repeated verses ( 47 verses ) = 1027

1027 = 13 × 79

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Seen the indication in chapter Al-Rahman about 13 and 31

- Chapter Al-Rahman is the 55 th chapter in the Quran.

- The 55 th chapter from the end of the Quran is chapter 60 and has 13 verses.

This is the only chapter which has 13 verses

- The only chapter which has 31 verses is chapter 76, this is the 39 th chapter from the end of the Quran.

39 =  13 x 3

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- The name Al-Rahman is mentioned in the Quran 169 times if the Basmalah's are included.

169 = 13 x 13

Note also reverse:

961 = 31 x 31


الرحمن / Al-Raḥmaan / The Most Gracious / The Origin





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https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/1/default.htm
الرحمن / Al-Raḥmaan / The Most Gracious

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/2/
 القران  علم  /  ʿallama Al-Qur'aan
taught /made known / marked the Quran

The sum of the chapter numbers and the sum of the total  number of verses before
chapter Al-Rahman is 1485 + 4901 = 6386

The sum of the chapter numbers and the sum of the total number of verses after
chapter Al-Rahman is  5015 + 1257 = 6272

6386 - 6272 = 114  i.e the numer of chapters in the Quran.

AND

Chapter 55 Al-Rahman has 78 verses.
55 + 78 = 133 = 114 + 19

About 19 see chapter 74:30-31





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Other observations about number 13 and 31

- The total number of verses of each of the 114 chapters of the Quran sorted from smallest to largest.


Note the reverse of the numbers:  26 and 62   --   13 and 31



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An other example of reverse concerning chapter 13 and  chapter 31

Chapter 13 has 43 verses.

Chapter 31 has 34 verses.


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Number 13  and number 31 are also related to number 19.

From number 13 to number 31 there are 19 numbers.





Note also:

-The first verse of the Quran has 19 letters:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

-The last verse of the Quran has 13 letters:

من الجنه والناس



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source: (arabic) Abdullah Jalghoum :
https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir11772/#.WuSF5X8uCCg
https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir15669/
https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir16257/
https://www.academia.edu/37494956/Farid_Gabteni_-_The_Sun_Rises_in_the_West_9th_edition_2018_   page 168-169

The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)
http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/...07-03-19-11-02
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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2020, 05:13:31 PM »
Salaam,




https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/1/default.htm
الرحمن / Al-Raḥmaan / The Most Gracious

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/2/
 القران  علم  /  ʿallama Al-Qur'aan
taught /made known / marked the Quran




Should be :

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/1/default.htm
الرحمن / Al-Raḥmaan / The Most Gracious

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/2/
علم القران ʿallama Al-Qur'aan
taught /made known / marked the Quran


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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2020, 06:42:47 AM »
Salaam ibn_a

You replied to me with the following:

Quote
No it is not a mistake, with all due respect, but I think that you confound what is scholarly named as:
  "THE BASMALAH / البسمله "  with "BISMI  ALLAH / بسم الله "


 "THE BASMALAH / البسمله "   i.e       بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
has 19 letters and occurs 114 times in the Quran

Can you please confirm to me that you consider that 113 'basmalahs' occur at the start of the surahs?

Can you therefore tell me where the other 'basmalah' that you refer to is, in order to get a total of 114?

Thanks

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Re: The numerical-semantical structure of the Quran.
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2020, 04:55:14 PM »
Salaam Truth Seeker,

Thanks for your interest, you may have missed this post:


Salaam,















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source:
http://scdofg.net/wp-content/uploads/flipbook/1/book.html#p=110

https://www.scribd.com/document/348386912/The-Sun-Rises-in-the-West-2018-Farid-Gabteni

https://www.academia.edu/37494956/Farid_Gabteni_-_The_Sun_Rises_in_the_West_9th_edition_2018_


Note also this relation between chapter 9 and chapter 27 and number 19

- Chapter 9 has 129 verses.

9 + 129 = 138


- Chapter 27 has 93 verses.

27 + 93 = 120


From number 120 to number 138, there are 19 numbers.






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