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N1I and N2I
« on: May 12, 2013, 10:25:58 AM »
Some people who tell that dividing muslims in Sects is wrong but they call themselves Quranists/ N1I and others as Hadithies/N2I.This is shere double standard in my opinion.
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Re: N1I and N2I
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 01:59:01 AM »

You make a good point. They are just as bad as each other.

It is a shame but many people can't understand or accept it when tell them that you are just a Muslim.

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Re: N1I and N2I
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 08:04:21 PM »
Some people who tell that dividing muslims in Sects is wrong but they call themselves Quranists/ N1I and others as Hadithies/N2I.This is shere double standard in my opinion.

Yes brother Sardar Miyan, I share your sentiments in general.

Although one can carefully discern highlighting differences in general approaches with respect, such as 'Quran-centric' and 'orthodox' / 'traditionalist', it is when labels are used with 'scorn' and ‘ridicule’ with derogatory intent such as 'hadithis', or 'N21s', 'mullah-worshippers', 'mullah-lovers', 'mullah-followers', 'hadith rejecters' etc with an 'I am better than you, and you are hell-bound' undertone, that this transgresses the spirit of healthy debate and arguably Islam.

Admittedly, I too have used general terms such as 'orthodox', 'unorthodox', 'traditionalist', 'non-conformist', 'Quranist' in my discussions but only with a view to discern and to highlight the 'approach' under contention and discussion. It is not with a view to 'ridicule' anyone.

Furthermore, some of these titles such as 'Quranist', 'orthodox' etc are titles which are self-professed appellations and many are happy to make use of the term with a view to apply it to themselves.

However, terms such as 'Hadith rejectors', 'munkare-Hadith' and 'N2Is' are intended to ridicule and are not titles that the intended addressees would necessarily ever use for themselves as they recognise the scorn in the undertone.

In my humble opinion, we must try to remain civil at all times and labels intent on compartmentalising others with a view to ridicule them is not a healthy approach.

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Re: N1I and N2I
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 02:06:58 AM »
Salam All , The Term coined by DR Shabbir is given below.The Bro can decide if it divde into Sect or not.Thanks

N2I or Number Two Islam
By:Khadija Husain, S. Africa
Date: Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 4:16 pm
In Response To: Re: Church opens doors to Namaazis :-) (Shravan India)
N2I or Number Two Islam is no sect. There are in the world those who are Muslims and those who are so-called Muslims (N2I). Please read the following article.
by Shabbir Ahmed, M.D. (August, 2003)
The Man-made, ‘Ajami’, Alien, Counterfeit, Number Two Islam (the N2I).
It is unfortunate that the Islam we see in the world today is not the one embodied in the only inviolable authority, Al-Qur’an. Rather, it is based on very questionable history and traditions in manmade books written centuries after the exalted Prophet. It is a set of false dogmas, irrationalities, superstitions and empty rituals. Various great minds have named this degenerate Islam variously. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan of India (1817-1898) called it Invented Islam in 1885. Syed Jamaluddin Afghani (d.1897) dubbed it as The Fatalistic Religion. The celebrated Egyptian scholar Mufti Muhammad Abde Rabbuhu (d.1905) gave it the name Deen-il-Ghareeb (The Estranged Religion) around 1900. Allama Sir Muhammad Iqbal (d.1938) termed it Ajami (Alien) Islam around 1918. Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi (d.1965) called it Maulvi Ka Ghalat Mazhab (The Mullah's Wrong Religion) in the 1940s. Going by the modern trends, I have chosen to call it N2I (The Number Two Islam) in keeping with the name given to the counterfeit medicines.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
- Voltaire, 1694-1778
Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749 – 1832
You cannot trust your judgment if your imagination is out of focus.
- Mark Twain, 1835-1910
I think, any distorted belief system throws our imagination out of focus. Consequently, our judgment and the resulting actions end up being wrong. While there is no room for clergy, priesthood or Mullahism in Deen-il-Islam, this vicious band emerged side-by-side when the Muslim rulers, although still called caliphs, became despotic monarchs. The Mullahs or “Imams” then converted Ad-Deen into Religion (Mazhab or the Number Two Islam) with a deplorable set of rituals, non-Quranic dogmas, beliefs, themes and fabrications of all kind.
Even today, they are the ones who refuse to grasp the Quran in its pristine form, to think rationally, or accept anything rational. And thus, they fall victims to blind following of their ancestors. Yet, they claim to be the custodians of Islam to the exclusion of all sensible ideas, and mislead the masses. I will not suspect every Mullah’s sincerity since their formal teaching in the Madrassahs disables them from independent thinking and reflecting on the Quran.
25:30 And the Messenger will say, “O My Lord! These are my people, the ones who had disabled this Quran making it of no account.” [Mahjoor = Disabled = Abandoned = Neglected.]
Now, the unfortunate antithesis: For the first time ever in the history of mankind the Number Two Islam which guarantees misery, was implemented in full force by the Taliban in the late 1990s. (Even the Arab Kingdoms and Sheikdoms were no match to them.) They were destined to be routed and thoroughly capitulated, and they have been. Under very questionable practices similar to the “rain dance” of old Native Americans, the Taliban Mullahs had been conducting regular rain prayers (Namaaz-e-Istisqa) to end the severe drought in Afghanistan during 1996-2000. Results remained conspicuous by their absence. Did they stop and think for a moment? Yes and no! Perhaps they thought they were not praying enough!
The True Islam was implemented in the lifetime of the exalted Prophet Muhammad and his noble companions 14 centuries ago. No seeking mind can deny the glory of humanity in that era.
Human dignity, women’s rights, rule of law, justice and equity, freedom of religion, speech, true democracy, and sanctity of human life, honor and property have been well documented in the surviving golden pages of history. Never since that noble era has the world seen Islam as a collective System of Life anywhere.
To mention economic prosperity, the Islamic state of Madinah was the only Empire in all history where it had become impossible to find a person willing to accept charity. The would-be second Caliph of Islam, Omar the great, was the Chief Justice of the Empire in 633-34 CE. It is mind-boggling to learn that not a single case was brought to his court about theft, rape, murder, robbery, or any form of violent crime. Non-Muslims used to embrace Islam by watching and experiencing the beauty of the True Islam.
The Quran boldly declares, “Do not ever, then, lose heart, and do not grieve, for you are bound to prevail if you are truly believers. (3:139)
It further states, “God has promised that those of you who will believe in the Divine laws and strengthen human resources, He will make them rulers on earth, as He granted rule to the previous nations. ..(24:55)
It appears that the developed countries, consciously or unconsciously, are greater and practical believers in the Quranic Laws.
I think it is about time that the Muslims worldwide stop and think. Is the Quran wrong?
No, a great, great majority of Muslims in the world are not indeed believers. They think themselves as believers because they were born into the so-called Muslim families and are being charmed into thinking as such by the Mullahs just because they UTTER belief in God and His Messengers. Mullahs do so BECAUSE OF IGNORANCE and because they want to keep their stranglehold on the masses and protect their false pride, honor and financial interests. Therefore, the so-called Muslims of today are slaves of false tradition and blind following.
THE LITMUS TEST: Before proceeding with the Number Two Islam (N2I) further, let me present a litmus test for the representatives of N2I. Any person, male or female, that preaches beard and Hijab (veiling) belongs to Number Two. This is because beard and veiling are not ordained in the Quran. They were borrowed by ancient Mullahs from their culture. Beard and veiling have become tools for them to get a false sense of gratification, of displaying piety, enslaving women, feeling proud and taking delight in ridiculing (as the second class Muslims) those who won’t grow beards or use Hijab.
The Quran is the great Equalizer of humanity and the foremost Liberator of humans from all kinds of mental and physical bondage. It very strongly upholds human rights and very forcefully declares, “There is no compulsion or coercion in religion.” (2:256). This rule has absolutely no exceptions.
The Quran has taught that just as God is One, mankind is one community. The only distinction among people could be based on good conduct. Color, wealth, ethnic origin, gender, geography, family, lineage, would not incur superiority or inferiority upon any human being. (49:13)
Being a student of the Quran, the Bible and history, I have reached a conclusion. What is that conclusion? - That centuries after Prophet Muhammad (S), the so-called Imams of tradition, history, Fiqh (religious jurisprudence) and Hadith (the most unreliable sayings of the exalted Prophet Muhammad fabricated or collected on hearsay) imposed a religious Martial Law on people. They tried to extinguish the Quranic Light and very successfully bound the Muslim masses back in the same shackles that the Quran had so effectively smashed.
These criminals got vehement support from the rulers because the Number Two Islam catered to their evil and wicked desires; desires for harems, palaces, concubines, slaves, pomp and luxury.
The inventors of the N2I i.e. the Mullahs and Sufis in various ways reverted the Muslims back to the era of Jahiliyyah (the Age of Ignorance). Writing books contrary to the Quran was only one of their methodologies.
They stand responsible for throwing the imagination of Muslims out of focus. And we have seen that when our imagination is out of focus we cannot trust our judgment. The results have been horrendous. Muslims not only continue to live at subhuman levels, but their actions have harmed themselves and the “Family of God”.
Just as I believe that the Number Two Islam is a scourge of humanity, it is my conviction that the True Islam encompassed by the Quran is the only hope for humanity. When I state that Islam is the only hope for humanity, I am in good company with such greats as George Bernard Shaw, Johann Goethe, Allama Iqbal, Alphonse Lamartine, Rev. Bosworth Smith and the like.
The ideas that inspired the French Revolution and the Declaration of Rights that guided the Framing of the American Constitution and inflamed the struggle for independence in the Latin American countries [and elsewhere] were not inventions of the West. They find their ultimate inspiration and source in the Holy Koran.
- Robert Briffault (Making of Humanity)
Allow me to share one of my special concerns. I was naïve, and probably justifiably so, about twenty five years ago in thinking that the PhD Mullahs and the Western Islamic scholars would belong to a different stock than an ignorant Imam in a village in the East. No, no, not at all!
The ‘Imamist’ Martial Law I referred to was so far reaching that even today it remains in full force behind the college degrees as much as behind the beard and veil.
We need to reform our Islamic schools in the East and West. They must refrain from preaching N2I (The Number Two Islam). They will be doing a great service to Islam and Muslims, the West, and the entire world if they revert to the Glorious Quran. Even here I have a word of caution.
Almost all translations and tafseers (explanations) of the Quran have been done by the proponents and followers of the Man-made, ‘Ajami’, Alien, Counterfeit Islam, the N2I. Let us not accept any interpretation without due reflection. Trying my best to find a satisfactory translation and failing, I had to undertake the daunting task myself. Numerous knowledgeable people consider my humble English (and Urdu) renditions of the Quran easy, accurate and reliable - THE QURAN AS IT EXPLAINS ITSELF – QUR’AN KHUD APNI NAZAR MEIN.
A life-long student
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