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QUESTION TO BASSAM: Why new born Babies cry?
« on: May 12, 2013, 02:03:22 PM »
Dear Bassam, Assalamu alaikum

I am creating a new thread based on your request to start a new thread.   I quoted the following hadith from Bukahri in another thread  to expose the fallacy of your argument that hadith is divine revelation (this spurious hadith was just the previous hadith of an another hadith you yourself quoted).   If the moderators here find it proper to do, kindly delete my last post made in another thread mentioning the same questions I am going to post hereunder.  Here is the hadith (falsely attributed to the prophet as authentic by Bukhari)

Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab: Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)  

You posted a comment providing me the following link stating that the issue has been already addressed by you in this link.   http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_s_article__jesus__superiority_revisited_

Kindly note that, I have already checked your above link, unfortunately, my main concerns for the hadith is not addressed in the above link, and your comments were mainly focused on countering Shamoun’s claim of superiority of Jesus over prophet Muhamed.   Therefore, I have the following questions. 

1. Do you think there is no medical reason for why the new borns cry?   According to medical science a new born baby has to cry otherwise brain will not get oxygen immediately and this can bring serious complications later.   When the baby is in the womb it doesn’t breath through the nose but by umbilical cord, so when it comes out there is no oxygen going in through the nose since the baby doesn’t know how to breath so the nurse will hit their tiny buttocks and they will respond to the pain will a yell which automatically opens the nose and the lungs start pumping oxygen.  In some cases, babies born at home, into a quiet, warm environment (especially during water birth) sometimes do not cry and no complications may happen in those circumstances.  Babies need to be monitored only under such circumstances.   Therefore, there is pure science involved for babies crying.  It is not Satan’s touch that makes them cry.  Kindly let me know your view whether there is any medical reason for the new born babies cry and also your experience on this point.

2. There are some babies that do not cry at the time of birth.   Will they come under the category of Mary and Jesus? i.e, They do not cry, is it because of Satan not touching them?

3. Why Mary and Jesus alone were exempted from Satan’s touching and (most probably did not cry)?   This question is important, because, as per the hadith, even prophet Ibrahim was not excluded from Satan's touching.  And why Mary and Jesus alone?  Don't you think this hadith makes discrimination among different prophets?

4. Don’t you think this hadith contradicts another ahaadith reported by both Bukhari and Muslim wherein the prophet said that each and every child is born in a state of Fitrah?

5. You quoted a hadith from Volume 1, Book 4, Number 143: Narrated Ibn 'Abbas, in which prophet said “If anyone of you on having sexual relations with his wife said 'In the name of Allah. O Allah! Protect us from Satan and also protect what you bestow upon us (i.e. the coming offspring) from Satan, and if it is destined that they should have a child then, Satan will never be able to harm that offspring." My question is this:  Are you saying that babies born in the above circumstances won’t cry??

I expect from you some brief comments for my points at your convenience.

Thanks, regards
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Re: QUESTION TO BASSAM: Why new born Babies cry?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2014, 05:34:34 PM »
Greetings brothers and sisters.

Why new born babies cry?

From the sources provided so far, I am worried about these babies when they grow up and become responsible adults?

Us the adults must first stay away from the touch of Satan.

Satan knows how to constantly modify his approaches to be seemingly pleasant and fit for different times, circumstances and state of minds. Like all hypocrites, his logic is twisted and his values are fake, but his presentations are always catchy and eloquent for those who choose him. He will be the first to disown them on the Day of Judgment! Explaining"hadith" using a scientific or modern ways is another conjecture.


[Qoran 4:120] He promises them and entices them; what the devil promises is no more than an illusion.

[Qoran 14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "God has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."

[Qoran 50:27] His companion said, "Our Lord, I did not mislead him; he was far astray."

After witnessing and verifying the logic of Quran, heeding its guidance becomes the surest way to avoid falling into Satan's illusion. The focus should always be to hold fast to Quran's commandments and ethics which represent the highest, most infallible of all. All judgments must be based on Quran. Choosing to be ignorant while blessed with brains, eyes, and ears is an intoxicant offered by Satan to take away our free will.

Once we follow other than the divine word of God, we would be striving in the cause of Satan, joining the vast majority in promoting his fake values and belief systems. We would be joining the overwhelming majority of idol worshipers and disbelievers in promoting conjecture and wishful thinking putting modern"salt and pepper " on it!
 
Why do new born babies cry? While there is nothing wrong in finding out , there is everything wrong in"following fables and conjecture "
about it.
Let us know ,when you can provide solid reasoning ,/ Scientific,/  Qoranic references.
Apologies for sharing my view as the question was for someone else.

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Re: QUESTION TO BASSAM: Why new born Babies cry?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 10:59:53 PM »
Something very intelligent designed the switch from placental to pulmonary respiration that makes a newborn baby cry, a creative work that is quite exquisite and marvelous regardless of one’s convictions about the nature of its Creator. That intelligence should be held in humble respect by evolutionists and creationists alike. It contrasts sharply with the ignorance and crass arrogance of those who would put a clamp on a pulsating umbilical cord.
http://www.whale.to/a/morley4.html
Why Do Babies Cry? The Anatomical and Physiological Changes During the Moments After Birth
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Re: QUESTION TO BASSAM: Why new born Babies cry?
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 11:37:59 PM »
Greetings Optimist.

Thank you for the information. Interesting , God is in Full Control.

35:11
God created you from dust, then from a tiny drop, then He causes you to reproduce through your spouses. No female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth, without His knowledge. No one survives for a long life, and no one's life is snapped short, except in accordance with a pre-existing record. This is easy for God.
وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَكُم مِن تُرابٍ ثُمَّ مِن نُطفَةٍ ثُمَّ جَعَلَكُم أَزوٰجًا وَما تَحمِلُ مِن أُنثىٰ وَلا تَضَعُ إِلّا بِعِلمِهِ وَما يُعَمَّرُ مِن مُعَمَّرٍ وَلا يُنقَصُ مِن عُمُرِهِ إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ إِنَّ ذٰلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسيرٌ


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