Salam
I have read the thread before hand and I do not agree with brother Imran Faruqui. I have given my statement regarding this topic with proof from Quran. If Quran says believe in one God, Day of Judgement and doing good deeds is enough for salvation. I am not going to question it. God clearly says people who are doing these things have nothing to fear. There are countless other things mentioned in the Quran and one is ofcourse supposed to believe them as well. But I think these verses reflect how merciful our God really is and that He is not complicated. We make religion complicated by searching for ever finer details. When God is silent. Brother Faruqui makes a lot of statements in that post for which there is no Quranic evidence. He believes that:
1. The Qur’an informs the People of the Book that their own Scriptures are partially corrupted:
Yes partially corrupted and the Quran still asks them to follow their own scripture. He conviniently overlooks this point. Brother Joseph has detailed articles and posts about this. I have also posted relevent posts with evidence previously. Please search and find them out.
2. The Qur’an points out some specific doctrines from past Scriptures that are false. For example, it points out that the doctrine of the Trinity is false:
Yes and they are asked to desist . But they are still asked to follow the shariah of the Torah. The Quran does not override the Torah's shariah. Not one verse in the entire Quran says that it has come to override and replace the previous books' shariah. Please read relevant posts by Brother Joseph or else, may I suggest you read the entire Quran yourself and search for evidence. You will not get a verse that says otherwise.Brother Joseph has an article discussing this, that the Bible does not teach trinity.
3. The Qur’an was sent to remove some of the shackles that were previously on the People of the Book:
Yes, some not all shackles are removed and they are mentioned in detail in the Quran which are lifted, like they can marry our women and have our food and vice versa. Also a lot of their shariah remains unchanged and they are asked to adhere to them. If they fail to do so they will be transgressing.
4. The Qur’an is a confirmation of previous Scriptures, and with FINAL AUTHORITY over them:
The Quran guards and confirms the Torah. It is not a final authority over the other Books. If something is not mentioned in the Quran but mentioned in Torah, that does not automatically mean that the information in the Torah is false. The Quran clearly says that it brushes over a lot of information in the Bible. It is not the intention of the Quran to replace the Bible. The Quran has shariah for believers and Bible and Torah has shariah for Children of Israel. This thought that Bible is not enough for guidance is entirely unquranic. We are also asked to believe in the Bible, but this does not mean we have to follow the Bible's shariah and this is implausible in some cases, the Children of Israel have a different Qibla and we have a different one. Plurality of shariah is evident in the Arabic Quran.
Moreover, are you aware that brother Faruqui claims to be a messenger?! He has claimed and has worked with end of the days topics, they are on this forum. I have gone through them and I am not a fan of his work. He makes a lot of unfounded assumptions about Islam. He makes a lot of claims about religion which are not sourced from the the Quran or the Bible. He claims we should believe him because he is a messenger, and these are revealed to him. I would ask anyone to take his posts with a pinch of salt and do their own research before believing anything he says.
Walekas salaam,
Sister Nura,
I'm really caught by surprise to learn Imran Faruqi claims messenger-ship and revelation for himself.
Can you provide link/forum thread where he did that?. Thanks for alerting me and bringing this to my attention. In any-case I'm not a fan of him either and I hardly read his stuff and as I said I came across unintentionally on his thread and his last post on that thread really (despite his background or claims) is worthwhile - you said you and Sir Joseph answered his/similar views so will you please point me to those threads (sorry searching and landing on the desired topic on this forum is challenging to me, unless I'm missing something simple or may be I'm too spoiled by Google
). I've read
http://quransmessage.com/articles/people%20of%20the%20book%20FM3.htm this before and I did it again after your post and the way I understood it perfectly fits Imran Faruqi's concluding statement of exception:
Finally, an important point of clarification, the People of the Book who DO NOT believe in the authenticity of the Qur’an, are therefore obviously NOT obliged to follow it. So long as they uphold their own Scriptures, and do not associate partners with God, they are still entitled entry to Heaven. Hence the choice is theirs: THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK CAN EITHER BELIEVE OR NOT. However, once they become Believers in the Qur’an’s authenticity, they are obliged to also follow it, for reasons elucidated above.
So, will you please
provide me all the post links that address all the questions he raised just before the above conclusion? Otherwise I'm confused as how one can just take 2:62 & 5:69 as absolute statements. In fact the approach Sir Joseph advances and emphasize for all of us is holistic and not a cherry pick one in understanding the message of the Quran.
Indeed, those who believed and those who became Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did good deeds, then no fear on them and not they will grieve.If taken absolute, then Trinity Christians (Hindus and all traditional Muslims and perhaps many other religions' followers) believe in Allah (with different name of course,
http://quransmessage.com/articles/allah%20is%20not%20an%20exclusive%20name%20for%20god%20FM3.htm) and the last day and they do good deeds. Since this ayat does not add or elaborate belief in
oneness of Allah, various
categories of shirk http://quransmessage.com/articles/idolatry%20according%20to%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm, and what the
good deeds are unless the rest and whole of the Quran is referred the difficulty does not disappear. So, I would like to learn and enlighten myself with this reconciliation.
Also, and more importantly, we keep digressing from the main Q and subject of the post -
where/which verse in the OT is explicit on the "Last Day" and "Hereafter"? It's the key to 2:62 and 5:69 even if it's taken in absolute sense (and not look for qualification)
Br. Good logic
Peace Student.
Daniel was before Jesus. How can it be part of NT?
Sorry I told you I'm Naive in previous scripture and beginner student of the Quran
So,
is Daniel part and parcel of OT? If so, why did Sir Joseph not mentioned it when discussing the subject in this
http://post?
Br. Wakas,
Thanks for the link, I totally concur (in fact I mentioned the scriptures be treated as sequential =
continuation in this line of revelation) and just so there's no wrong assumption about my view - I never said or subscribe to annulation/Mansukhi concept of previous scriptures but whatever contradicts with Quran is aught to be rejected and that is my understanding thus far.
Can someone list the names of the books in OT and names of the books in NT?Thanks,
~Student
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I don't, thanks to Sir Joseph and he bring immense experience to connect all the scriptures seamlessly! 
