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Salaam Saba,

They have no choice but to say beduoins because til now some still have tents set up in the desert. People assume Arab=Camel=desert... so who is left that some still having dwellings in some deserts? Buddings. If things are repeated and spoken about over and over like the media, one starts to believe what the person is saying is true. People adapt to different accents in their tonuge language if they are around an enviroment that does Put it this way... If it is not mentioned in the Quran, It ain't True! Some just want to confuse everyone.

Salaam

Salaam Saba,

It is no different as for instance American English and the English in the UK.
Here is a Video of them doing their poems and talking. I understand ever single word they are saying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3g3o2Wq0Y

Now if Dr. Shabbir went to learn this language...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdI2lK_PDg 
I have no idea. This is not talking nor Arabic. omg.. I can not stop laughing!!!

@2:19, you hear a guy saying "rest, you are tired, rest" that is the same words any araboc speaking person would use.  after that, the ritual continues. Now, you be the judge, this is what happened around 1400 years ago. Can you see our Prophet doing this? LMAO!! NO. Does Dr. Shabbir speak Aarabic? I thought just Urdu?

When Allah says in many verses the Quran was sent in Arabic


I will tell you where they all get this idea... Hadith, without doubt, him himself trashing it, that is where Shabbir and many others get their idea. Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1782 says "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) then said: Thus was it sent down. He then told me to recite and I recited it, and he said: Thus was it sent down. The Qur'an was sent down in seven dialects. So recite what seems easy therefrom."


"Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 61 :: Hadith 510

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)"


Here is what Allah says 14:4, 42:7, 41: and 12:2 Allah says the Quran is in Arabic so we can understand... Now one who believes in Allah and puts their trust in Him, or do we believe what Allah is telling his ummah who He already knows what they will be able to do in the future before the Quran even came down or is one to believe what some guy is telling them about Arab people talking in the desert the language dialect on the time of the prophet?  When the Quran is reciting, it is the same language I understand when a person is speaking Arabic to me. I may not know all the words, but Arabic is Arabic just different accents like for instance, people living in the southern States have a different accent than people living in the northern or eastern States.

His motive seems very deceptive and dishonest in my opinion because how can a person who does not even acknowledge Allah requires us to pray 5x a day as mentioned be trusted about the desert Arabs?

Saudi Arabian people for instance, they have a slight different way how words sound in Arabic, it is usually how one pronounces the word that makes it different. As for me, one right away knows I am Palestinian when I talk, we have a way of stretching the words.. example.. yaamma,  others.. yama, i.e mom

Saudi and Egyptians might say Waliti which means mom but if I wanted to break it down it means person who gave birth to me.

It is all a money making business. Anyone who wants to write the Quran will go with what the Quran says in Allah's own words. People say well he changed his mind what he believes on this and that and regrets doing this and that.. I do not know about others, that just tells me how that persons thinking and knowledge is especially playing and distorting Allah's words.. They just crucified themselves with Allah as far as I am concerned..

Salaam Deliverance,

I can look it up later,

Sperm drinking is next..

Salaam Saba,

I think he is referring to Bedouin Arabs when he says he spent time with them in the desert. They speak Arabic, we understood them when we went on an adventure to Palestine and in the desert in Jordan to see how they live.

Salaam Mubashir,

One studying the Quraish really does not give them the knowledge on the Quran nor the understanding. Heck a chinese speaking person can understand the Quran with no Arabic backround. It all comes down to how determined is one to chase and accept the truth?? When Allah says , It is complete and clear and easy to understand, it means just that... How clear does our creator needs to be? All this Qurasih is just another made up notion/excuse to make people believe why the Quran is complicated and not able to be understood and the reason they wrote a book $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is to help others.

I understand what Allah is saying when I listen to in Arabic, even memorized 14 surats by listening to the Quran and not reading it. Even words that I do not recognize in Arabic, and do now.  I research them and study the Quran eventually Allah leads me to the truth of the meaning. It is all guidance from Allah. Anyone who says the Quran does not say Salat is 5x a day or the reason behind it is to just remember Allah, you think I would trust or even give my time to reading their book on the Quran? Alhumduillah I without doubt am guided in the right path and refuse to have others tell me what Allah says in the Quran. Anyone can achieve being guided to the light if they deeply want it and as Allah to guide them.  As for me, when the author of any Quran book for translation or talks about Islam when it contradicts what Allah says, lose all creditability and should never be trusted. As Allah says in the Quran, we are to be the judge of what He says in there and look for mistakes or contradictions, He challenges us to use our intellect meaning, we will not find any, because no one will believe in it or follow it if there was.


As for SA,  and other Arab/Muslim countries, The kings and monarchy system need to go. All these Islamic want-A-be Mohammed's need to be launched up to Mars and deserted there. This world will be a more peaceful world and one can practice Islam in their country as Allah intended without oppression and discrimination.

Salaam Optimist,

You just made me throw up in my mouth and nausiated. 

Salaam Ismail,

Buddy, listen, you are being brainwashed to believe in this. The only cure for any disease is Allah. Even Cancer without drinking Urine, hell not even Chemo was needed. I know that for a FACT! If one is sick and gets treatment like Chemo, medication that not a bodily fluid that is considered filth, it is still a cure from Allah.
Do you recall Benny Hill? Deepak Chopra? Morarji Desai  boasted that he was drinking eight ounces of his own urine daily YUMMY!!! pure and fresh in the morning in accordance with the Vedas claim that urine has medicinal value. For crying out loud, people are eating dung to saying it has a medical benifit too.

The fact is, no credible scientific evidence exists to support these absurd claims, despite what proponents of urine therapy say. Again, if it was clean and pure, God would not instruct us to do wadu before prayer if we releaved ourselves, I can not imagine He meant if you releaved yourselves and drank it, wash your mouths too!!!???
And contrary to what many pro-urine supporters believe, urine is a waste product. There's simply nothing to be gained by re-consuming something your body couldn't use the first time. It is not considered waste if you body is getting rid of it!!!

Salaam Saba,

VERY SAD indeed people misinterpiting the Allahs beautiful words and spreading lies against our Creator. This is only leading people astry, but again if people want to behave like sheep than so be it. How clear can the Quran get? No one truely has access to the meaning nor understanding unless Allah grants them that, as Allah clearly repeats in His Holy Quran. I think this group will benifit going to Saudi Arabia and educating them about no hadith first and teaching the Talaban extremist... 

I am American, born and raised, and Live in the U.S. Both my Parents are Palestinian. I was brought up in a Sunni Muslim upbrining. Except there was no covering the head, and we had freedom to an extent, well as long as my dad did not find out that is. My mom was not your typical traditional muslim, I deeply feel she really never believed in the Hadith or what it says in there because I and some of my siblings broke every single rule that was in there and she just yelled at us and let it go.


I love Allah more than my own soul and I will never back down from correcting people when they are misrepresenting the Truth that is in front of their eyes.  I know what Allah is capiable of and I fear him to the CORE! He  has done me many favors and fulfilled my du'a that if I even put them down here, people will think I have gone delusional. (p.s Ismail, Cancer is cured by Allah even without ANY TREATMENT or URINE) Subhanahu

Salaam,

I am confused... So brother Wakas wants to translate the Quran and include the bible in it? or get verses out of the bible to include in the Quran to make more of an understanding of the Quran that can not be translated? I saw something about that Allah shaped the earth in a egg form. Astagfer Allah that is a distortion of Allah's words, He would have said round if He wanted to, He does not need someone to speak or correct His verses to make it up to date on what they think it should say. THIS ANGERS ME VERY VERY MUCH! Brother Wakas, if you understand Arabic, Haram Aliak, Ittaqillah!!!!

Freeminds.org? No disrespect but Alhumduillah I know my deen and that I need to pray 5x a day. Not one living soul on the planet can ever convince me the Quran says differently about prayer  than the Five Allah mentions in the Quran. I  never go off reading the Quran as my only source, I listen to it, research it and ponder on it til my eyes are ready to pop out. And only than when I am convinced what the verse says I accept it.

I do follow Quran as my only source and never will I change my thinking on that. I do that because Allah commands me to in the Quran. If there was a verse in there that tells me to also follow his previous scriptures, I would have no problem doing that, but He doesn't that is why I am adamant on following the Quran ONLY. I am only Obeying and will never have wiggle room to justify any other option. For me I take my commands from Allah very seriously once the verse is clear to me, I rather die than disobey my Creator.  I also REFUSE to interpret meanings to justify my needs and wants, I refuse for someone to tell me I have it wrong without presenting the proof and I say on how the Quran has it. This is the only site I have ever come across that does that. I mean ONLY.


I will never distort  Allah's verses to make others happy or to justify how I want to live now that I know the truth about Islam. I never believed in the Hadith nor followed it being raised in a Sunni upbringing. But it will never ever will I start distorting my Creators words to liberate myself and fit in with society. I will NEVER be ashamed of being a Muslim and a mu'mina. I consider myself extremely lucky that I follow Islam the way Allah says to in the Holy Quran.

Many sites, and I will say freeminds.org has many misleading stuff on Islam and I have seen distortion and mistranslation of Allah's words which angers me more than anything. People in general do not realize not a person will help them when they face Allah and this is said to us in the Quran. Allah asks us to pray 5x a day, it takes me less than 15 minutes including wadu adding all the time together, I can not give Him that?

I like Dr. Khalifa for his efforts but distorting Allah's Quran to fit a number just does not go well for having people who put their trust in Allah and what He says that He protected the Quran from corruption of any kind. Who am I going to believe, my Creator or a man who says he met the prophets in Heaven when Allah descended him one night?

I even emailed the site and received a shocking reply that I am to follow and believe what the messenger, i.e, Dr. Rashid Khalifa, interpreted the verses in English and not to question his interpretation. We are to believe what he said in the meaning of the translation.  Yeah OK, I am going to define Allah and my absolute knowledge about a particular verse and follow like a sheep?  I will pass...

HasbunAllahi Wani'mal wakeel

Salaam Danial,

Is it connected with Dr. Rashid Khalifa who speaks about the number 19?

Sallam Wakas,

I am lost... what is it again? A group of people who want to translate the Quran according to how people read it?

Salaam Sarder,

http://quransmessage.com/articles/riba%20FM3.htm

Whatever is in the Quran is what a Muslim follows, which is what the Rasool only preached and lead by example.

Most people if not all who follow the Sunna get their stuff from Hadith and Sunna books..

No one can ever go wrong by following the word of Allah because that is what the Rasool did. That is the Quran 

Salaam Ismail,

I doubt urine cured anyone, especially if it was any good for someone God would not command us to purify yourself in wadu, before prayer if we urinated.   If urine was the case to cure, worldwide people with all type of sickness and diseases would not be going to doctors for treatment or dying, one would just drink urine at home. Besides it is considered impure otherwise

Allah is the only one who cures.. Several examples are given in the Quran on Jesus doing and it was ONLY permissible by Allah who allowed it.

As for 5:1, the entire Quran is filled with what is permissible for animal to consume. Allah actually names these animals for you, Aya, that are full of examples, using clear words describing the Animal. A while ago when I started to look into the Quran to understand it, there was a article about this non Muslim who looked in the Quran mentioning how the Quran uses the following and gave examples on some verses, I started paying attention to verses to make a better conclusion on the verse and meanings, with of course the meaning given in the verse..

Alliteration, Analogy, Antiphrasis, Antithesis, Asyndeton, Assonance, Cadence, Chiasmus, Epizeuxis,

Equivoque, Homonymy, Hyperbole, Isocolon, Metaphor, Metonymy, Palindrome, Polyptoton, Rhetorical questions (MY FAVORITE, Allah uses this to have one think and ponder about the Question in the Aya)Synecdoche. That is why Allah says no one can ever produce a book like it and not even an Aya. He uses many different ways as a Figure of Speech throughout the Quran.
Thought is a power which arises in the individual mind. It is expressed through the medium of words, and it is through words that the idea of one person is communicated to another. The idea and the word are quite different from each other in both their nature and origin. The idea is a mental conception. The word is only what you hear, one automatically connects that to what they know of what that word means and have a mental picture of thought in their head, but in a mysterious way Allah is using in the Quran, it is harmonized with idea. In human life the beginning of the word is with the names of things. Allah taught Adam the names of all things (Qur'an 2:31). Conceptions are concealed in words, whether they are conceptions of things or those of feelings and emotions. Inverse 7:174, Allah uses the word cattle to describe human beings, are we going to go around eating humans because we are cattle as well? That is why I said He actually tells us what is allowed and what is not in the Quran, through examples, and stories of the past. In order to fully understand the verses in the Quran, it is not like how one would read a book. The Quran is the only book that has been EVER written they way it has, it tells one who the Author is alright.. lol

A literary approach to the Qur'an is necessary because the Qur'an is a work of literature; it has its own procedures and corresponding rules of interpretations. It will yield its meanings fully only if explored in terms of its kinds of writing.

You are sticking to the word Lawful and Unlawful verses. He is talking about cattle, the eight kinds He mentioned in other verses, Stop focusing on that, there are clue and hints from the creator what these animals are in the entire Quran. Wholesome foods in the "ardi" are about plants and fruits not a living thing as you think about animals. Unless you read the entire Quran and study it as I mean by saying reading, you are not going to understand the Quran. The description of everything in the regards to what can be consumed of His creatures is right in front of you. Do not stick with what the Quran tells you in a translation books, they are very misleading in many verses. If you do not speak or understand Arabic to read it in the context in original, there are ways you can still do this...
There are clues about everything in the Quran where Allah lists either a group of animals or by name and He still goes on repeating this. How you are taking 5:1 verse is extremely out of context. You see the Quran was not revealed in the order you are reading it today. Verse 5:1 was the 112 verse to the Quran. All other verses which if you read the entire Sura of Al-Mã'edah, there are SOOOO much repeated and reminders of what He already mentions thought the Quran. I, and when I say "I" view it this was when I am researching, studying the Quran. It might not be the case, but when I looked at the Aya's on how originally they were revealed before Allah put them in the order He wanted, it seems that way. Verse 9, is chapter Tubah, which is a whole chapter full of warnings, and last Sura is Chapter 110. It is About Allah Almighty as closing the end of the Revaluations. Look how He compiled Surat Al Fatiha, It only speaks about Him. Allah tells you how He created animals of all kinds and taught Adam their names... then He tells you what kind He is ONLY allowing you to slaughter, He also tells you what He created them for the purpose, to worship him and them having communities like us, He tells us not to transgress many times when it comes to what He is Allowing. A good sura for you would be to read sura AlBaqura. When Moses tells his people God wants them to sacrifice a cow... look at the story Allah tells us, using it as an example and HINT! All the words and example should be taking into consideration when trying to understand the meaning of certain words or verse. There are many English translations Quran and even on websites like Quran Corps who have some words completely wrong and nothing to do with what the meaning of the word is or what it addresses. For instance, they use "Man" " "men" in a description of a word God uses for both female and male audience, for all humans.... In English it might be that the word men/man can describe a wide variety of people, but in Arabic, it does not, there are verses in the Quran that God addresses females using their correct word/description same for men/man. So it misleads the reader in the English language (I do not know if they do this in other translations in other languages) and can mislead the reader on the entire verse.


A good example also is what Brother Deliverance put on a different thread, about verse 2:53/54. In all the translations in the English Quran and on the Quran Corps, they have kill yourself/yourselves. So that is why it is extremely important to study the Quran, word by word and look at the other verses. It is a book full of knowledge and so many things that is compiled for meanings on other verses. I only wrote all this to help you get an idea how to approach the Quran besides what Brother Joseph has on his site which is what this is in a way, I think. It certainly is not going to be over night Brother, it was 23 years for the Rasool to get all 114 chapters. Most importantly, DO NOT go on websites that say Quran ONLY that tell you the tafseer or opinion on what the words or verse means. If they have NO PROOF showing it to you, they are only justifying verses for themselves, have a HUGE EGO and THINK they know what it means, and so many other reasons. They have PhD behind their names and that is usually used to drive others in to believe what they are saying.

There is no difference if you have a PhD or not, it is do you understand what is in the Quran? Scholars who spent their whole life studying it in their Islamic schools still do not understand what Allah says about Hadith, Idolization, Hijab, Kimar, and they even call Muhammad Illiterate and not it was not him who wrote the Quran, yet they believe this and still put his name next to Allah in the Shahada? They do not think. be VERY WEARY of QURAN ONLY preachers, They left the Hadith and say how ridiculous it is and only need Quran, which is the way Allah tells us, but they create even worse things in their understanding of the Quran, so it is no difference because it is not what Allah is saying. I emailed a explanation to one site who I will not mention, about verse 4:34 on how they have it wrong about beating, which the guy does have a PhD, and he describes the verse, well God is not saying beat them, but that is the last resort so God is giving you other options first. I emailed the site and said no, you should correct it and showed them the proof of what BJ has explained and not because he explained it, rather Allah's own words as he used. I got a reply back that no, it was the right meaning and I should accept it and not question it. To me that is a scary thing.. Do you think I would ever believe what they are explaining in their other verses? NO!  So STAY away from sites, and if you Google Quran ONLY sites it will give you a list I am talking about... They are the ones who provide no proof and a lot I noticed they get their explain nation from other sites. SCARY.. They list no proof but explanations of the verses and they list other verses that they are patching together to the verse in question to make the reader believe it makes sense that this verse, means this. It is a psychological illusion that makes others believe what they are putting down. I do not think they are doing it purposely, they are just way off in their beliefs or cannot handle what Allah is saying and want to tweak it to better fit their ideas, wants and needs.
There are many sites I have seen, articles I came across that was outrages on how they got their understanding on many things out of the Quran. Like Haijj is not an obligatory, Prayer as described in the Quran does not need to be done, but prayer in the mind, and so on. They are the hypocrites and the devil has got a hold of their minds thinking this way. It might make sense to some, but it is only going to make those people one of the losers following such sites and beliefs. So study the Quran with a fresh mind. Inshallah someone will write the Quran in English that has the correct meanings of the verses and give a description. I think I see how you get your thinking on lawful for animals, many sites who have Quran only are telling people this.. They are only leading you astray. They are MISGUIDED, What Allah says is one thing.. How the other person reads it is another... Hope this helps, I am really trying to show you how one is only able to understand what Allah is saying and how to approach reading and studying the Quran.  Ask Allah for guidance, He will if you are sincere...

Salaam,

I am sorry Islamil, I meant 33:37

Salaam Deliverance,

Sura Al-Baqura before we get to the 2:54, if we read or listen to it, it leads to God telling them "fa-uq'tulū it is about them killing their ego.

This word  "anfusakum" leads to that meaning..


Yes, the translations is very wrong in the English translations. 

Samaam Ismail,
In the name of Allah the most Merciful, can you please tell me how you interpret the verses in the Quran, what leads you to these conclusions? Interpretations? And do "you" come up with patching verses together when some of them have nothing to do with the matter of subject in the verse in question. I just want to see how you get your information of interpretation and meaning of words and verses. There are so many verses I can list for you that are CLEAR and straight forward as a WARNING from Allah on to stay SILENT if one has no KNOWLEDGE on His verses or words. Scholars, Mullahs, sheiks, imams are clueless beyond description and are leading their followers astray. Yet the heard of blind sheep are following them and obeying them.  It I considered SHIRK.
In this forum I just saw your response you responded to me about Mercury. I just saw this now before I asked you to tell me what several verses were in a different forum.. No need to reply to that question, it was merely me, wanting to see how you think and interpret what the verse is about or if there is any way of us knowing. It is apparent to me, when I saw your response about the Mercury, you did not get what I was saying, how the heck are you going to understand the Quran if you missed my point about the mercury part?  I even have grammatical errors and misspelled words, where Allah does not and you could not even understand what I was saying to you? MERCURY IS NOT CREATED BY ALLAH... IT COMES FROM HUMANS FROM THE ENVIROMENT, TOXINS AND POISONS THAT CERTAIN MAMMELS IN THE SEA ARE CREATED BY ALLAH TO HAVE THAT for reasons I listed.
I mean it in no disrespect brother, but you seriously need to ask Allah to guide you.
No one will ever know everything in the Quran nor the meanings.. There is stuff we will know and stuff no one will as Allah tells us. A TRUE BELIEVER/MUM'MIN will say I heard and obeyed, To Allah's words not question what is clear and evident. I have so many verses I found about the whole animals subject out of the Quran, especially the cattle part you are not able to understand, that I can list but I will not because I want you to go and find it. I will give you a hint about what you are questioning when it comes to what animals to slaughter... look also in verse 39:06, DO NOT just focus on that verse, read a huge area around that verse, before and after, that is one of them, but there are more to the lawful and unlawful that I found...  Allah gives us examples and metaphors on things He already mentioned to make it clear, that is why you need to ponder on the entire Quran and not just verses. Allah even lists the animals that you are allowed to slaughter by name... It is in there, when He says this book is complete and clear, and everything we need to know is in there, it sure is.... One needs to PONDER hours at it each time and study it to get it, and only with Allah's guidance and how much a person is sincere about Allah's words, will He allow you to see it. Again; one needs to as for Allah's guidance, be sincere about Allah's message, have a clear head on what was taught or told to them from before and put their heart and mind in it to searching the truth. You're not going to be able to do it unless Allah guides you. Clearly brother He has not. Believing in the Oneness of Allah, saying you are a Muslim is not enough for Allah; you take your actions and your deeds... EVERYTHING including what you are distorting out of his scriptures and clearly not knowing what they mean or what He is saying and telling others this is from Allah.. BTW, If you follow the Quran only, does not make you any different than the ones who are in a sect, or being in the same category... I only follow what the Quran says, but one needs to understand the Quran and what ALLAH is saying, not what you think HE is saying and allowing. You accept it once you get what the verse/Aya is because a true believer ALWAYS obeys Allah.  You will feel the connection with Allah and everything in His verses we are to understand that He allows will naturally come flowing to us on what the verse says....
Knowing what Allah says is one thing, acting by it is another. You are playing with fire if you keep on speaking lies about Allah's words and using other verses from total different surat, verse, aya have nothing to do with the subject or commands Allah is speaking to us about and patching them together to have it make sense to what YOU are thinking so the subject in question makes more sense to you or others...  Some verses can do that, and some cannot and above what you listed clearly do not for so many reasons.  And yes, Arabic is how the Quran came down, how it can be understood, but it is for all humanity whether they speak Arabic or not, it all comes down to the guidance from Allah, that the person being able to understand what the Aya means and says, It comes down to guidance from above and what you are doing to be seek that guidance.. Studying, pondering, searching, and investing time by sincerely listening.
Now, I did something in here intentionally to see if you will see it.. If you do, reply.. if not, I do not need a reply on what I have said in general in the above because I formed my curiosity although I wanted you to clarify on how you get your info.