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What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« on: April 13, 2020, 05:06:50 PM »
[54:1] The Hour has come closer, and the Moon has split.

Sura (Chapter) 54 of the Quran is THE ONLY chapter in the Quran titled “Al-Qamar” which means “The Moon”.

The form of the word "splitting" in arabic language when the Quran is describing this event can also be used as a form of ploughing the lands because there ARE other verses in the Quran using this "splitting" word, for example when the Quran describes rain waters "splitting" the ground )

And now If we are to count all the remaining verses right after this specific verse right all the way to the end of the Quran, we will count exactly 1389 too! The year 1389 Hijri in the Muslim calendar corresponds exactly to the year 1969 AD in the Gregorian calendar, the year in which man landed on the moon for the very first time and ploughed the moon's surface of about 21kg of moon soil. On July 20, 1969 ( 6th day of the 5th month of 1389 Hijri ), as part of Apollo 11 mission, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the Moon, and bring back to earth about 21 kg of moon soil.

We should note that it is true that the Quran was NOT numbered at the time of the prophet. But the Quran is from God and God said that he would compile it. So the numbering of the Quran later than the prophet Muhammad was influenced by Allah who promised he would do it and preserve the Quran. So if the Quran is true, and Allah exists, wrote it and promised he would compile it, then he would compile the verses and their numbering in the Quran--which this evidence would indicate that indeed Allah did and that the numbering of the Quran after the prophet was indeed influenced if not caused by Allah by virtue of these miracles.

It is very telling that the number of verses after the moon verse is exactly the year of the moon landing. This is quite interesting. July 1969 corresponds to the year 1389 (not 1390, don't make that mistake, the Hijri calendar is different, so the years are not 1:1, look it up for your own reference).

What are the odds there would be exactly 1389 verses after that moon verse? That verse could have been any number, but what are the odds it was exactly 1389, the year humans landed on the moon? It could've been 1390, 1391, 1400, 1500, 3000, any other number, but it was 1389--the year of the moon landing.

Lets read the following verses after (54:1) –
“The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer. Then they saw a great miracle; but they turned away and said, “Old magic.” They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.” (The Quran, from 54:1 to 54:3)
Here, the author of The Quran specifically states – “the moon has split”, then people will see “a great miracle”, yet they still “disbelieved”. Could the “great miracle” be the fulfillment of prophecy? The quran makes it clear that the moon has split when the hour has drawn closer--which is already hinting that this is a future event when the hour has come nearer.

(One of the signs of the Day of Judgement. The Arabic uses the past tense, as if that Day were already here, to help the reader/listener imagine how it will be. Some traditional commentators hold the view that this describes an actual event at the time of the Prophet, but it clearly refers to the end of the world: cf. the same expression with reference to the sky, 55: 37; 84: 1.)

But non-withstanding what that verse actually means, let's ignore what the verse means--what are the odds that the number of verses after the first verse of the only chapter titled the moon would be 1389--the exact year humans land on the moon. The chances of this are very low. It seems like 99.9999999+% chance that it could have been literally any other number, but why was it this significant number?? It could've been any number, but it was this one, the one number that has direct significance to the first Apollo mission...Why did the quran have the number of verses it does and not more/less, why was that chapter conveniently placed in a spot such that there was exactly 1389 verses after it? What are the odds, it could have been any number, any number of verses could have existed etc etc!

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2020, 06:40:46 PM »
Assalamu 3alykum brother Lobotomize94

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Lets read the following verses after (54:1) –
“The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer.

The verse actually does not state that. Its actually the other way around.


54:1 Iqtarabati a(l)ssaAAatu wa(i)nshaqqa alqamar(u)

The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has split.


I feel it makes a difference if read the other way. Thought I would point this out

Salam

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2020, 10:41:30 AM »
Wa Alykum A salaam,

Can we talk about what this difference is? I don't really see a change in meaning. It is saying the (1) hour has come near, (2) the moon has split--both indicating a (1) Time progression and (2) something to do with the moon.

Another point I'm making is that this verse is the first one of the only chapter titled "the moon' and this first verse is discussing the moon. Somehow there was exactly 1389 verses after this one.

If Allah had written the Quran, he would not have done this by mere accident, won't you agree? This was deliberate.

But even further, think about it, how many verses could have been after that verse? There could've been any number, the Quran could've had more or less verses, that chapter could've been put in a different location, but it was in the right spot. Just imagine the probability?

In fact, how is it that the one verse that is talking about [a time progression and the moon] is the only verse that is succeeded by 1389 verses coinciding with a time progression (future event) and the moon (moon landing). The odds of this are very low if by mere coincidence. There could've been any number of verses coming after this one and all of those numbers would've been insignificant, but it was exactly 1389 (a significant number).

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2020, 02:02:52 PM »
I also want to add that while I do believe the meaning of the verse is referencing a future event, the reality is, it doesn't matter what the verse means.

This verse is the first verse of the only chapter titled "the moon", and this is the only verse in that chapter that is about the moon, and it is succeeded by 1389 verses, which is a very significant number when it comes to our relation to the moon.

These are three special parts of this verse:
  • Part of the only chapter titled "the moon"
  • The only mention of the "the moon" in the whole chapter
  • The very first verse of the chapter titled "the moon"

Let's ignore what the verse means--what are the odds that the number of verses after the first verse of the only chapter titled the moon would be 1389--the exact year humans land on the moon. It could've been any non-significant number, but the number it happened to be was the most significant number that would ever reference the moon.

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2020, 05:07:30 PM »
Another thing to take into account is the time of the departure from the moon (the time 2 parts of the moon have split/parted; the time a part of the moon has been taken away from the moon) is 1:54:01 PM E.S.T.

However, there are 25 different time zones in the world, making the hour of the launch from the moon relative to the timezone you are in. The minutes and seconds of that departure though is constant throughout all time zones. So to be more precise, we left the moon at 54 minutes, 1 second past the hour.

[Quran 54:1] The hour has come closer and the moon has split. 

Sources:
https://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/topics/apollo/apollo-program/landing-missions/apollo11-facts.cfm

"LM Departed Moon:   July 21, 1969
17:54:01 UT (1:54:01 p.m. EDT)"

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2020, 05:43:17 PM »
Other source:

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id=1969-059C

"The LM lifted off from the Moon at 17:54:01 UT on 21 July"

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Re: What are the odds? Quran and moon landing.
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2020, 04:39:37 PM »
There is also another layer of complexity/improbability about this verse and Apollo 11.

Quran 54:1 has 22 letters in it.

Here is the direct NASA source, published in 1969 (when Apollo 11 happened), saying "The total weight of the lunar material returned by Apollo 11 was 22 kg, of which 11 kg were rock fragments more than 1 em in diameter and 11 kg were smaller particulate material."

This is from NASA themselves at the time this happened:

https://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/as11psr.pdf

Scroll down to page 124 in the document itself (or page 115 in the PDF itself)

So now, this verse is pointing to when the moon has split and how much of the moon split. (you don't necessarily have to split something by one half, you can split it by a  third, two-thirds etc/)