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Nouman Ali Khan academic defense of the Prophetic Sunnah
« on: June 22, 2021, 06:28:34 PM »
Salaam brother Joseph / All
Please could someone with serious Qur'an academic
Rigour please analyse the following video of Brother nouman Ali khan and shed some light.

SubhaanAllah and Peace

https://youtu.be/gp98wb123ik

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Re: Nouman Ali Khan academic defense of the Prophetic Sunnah
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2021, 07:27:32 PM »
Salaam All
On reading the highlighted verses by Brother Nouman i can only see 2 areas of contention.
the people spoken about in these ayat are those claiming to be believers but Allah knows what is in their hearts.

1) 4:61 when it is said to them, come to what Allah has revealed, and to the messenger", thou seest the hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.

Who are the hypocrites? those who turn away from The Quran or those who turn away from the messenger (assumed by many to be the sunnah). followers of the quran assume this to be the quran because of the usage of "messenger" and not "prophet".

2)4:64

" We sent not the messenger to be obeyed in accordance with the will of Allah"
Does this imply a sunnah and Quran together?

3) 4:65
"But no, by the Lord, They have no faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them.
Finding no résistance in their souls against thy decisions, but accept with fullest conviction"
Again, could be argued by Quran followers that this applies to Prophet's contemporaries and by traditionalists  that the sunnah must be followed.

any light shed will be much appreciated.
Sorry to be flogging a dead horse here but i would rather leave no stone left unturned.

SubhaanAllah and Salaam to all



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Re: Nouman Ali Khan academic defense of the Prophetic Sunnah
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2021, 11:15:35 PM »
AOA

Even if the 2nd verse you have referenced were to apply to muslims 'for all times' we still have NO INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that the so-called hadith claims are indeed the actual words and deeds of Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w).
Much of the hadith doesn't even relate to decisions taken about disputes by Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w) - their construct is typically I heard from so and so say such an such/saw this about Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w) or a companion say such and such/saw this about Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w). Literally, how people both relate and generate rumor.
It is massively and oddly remarkable that none of the contemporaneous 'noble and pious' scribes described in the Qu'ran ever determined it important to serve as an honest biographer for Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w). That neither did the Caliph Rashidun consider it would be good idea to have his words and deeds 'officially' documented to avoid future slander. Turns out they all seemed to have realized that any written work commissioned by man IRRESPECTIVE of it being with regard to a Prophet or even if it had been directed by the Prophet himself was bound to be corrupted. They chose to simply not even give space to that potential risk of a false hadith claim appearing to have emanated from them. Because of that self-evident decision,  we today can have full confidence that any of the nonsensical, anti-Quranic content of 'hadith' works most certainly didn't come from the Prophet/his close trusted companions or the Caliph Rashidun because they at the very least, never authorized them.

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Re: Nouman Ali Khan academic defense of the Prophetic Sunnah
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2021, 05:31:58 PM »
Salaam Kaifa
Good arguments and pertinent points highlighted.
Jzk and Peace