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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 28, 2019, 07:41:07 PM »

The day you can provide me a deep ... comprehensive body of work that covers the entire spectrum of topics that the owner of this site has ....

peace Duster,

Why are you still waiting for people's [creatures] work, while The Creator's work (The Qur'an) is in your hand!?

8:29
You, you those who believed if you are aware of God (fear and obey), He makes/creates for you a criterion(Separation of Right and Wrong), and He covers/substitutes from you your sins, and forgives for you, and God (is owner) of the grace/favour/blessing, the great.

No offence intended. It was just an advice, you always have your choice…

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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 28, 2019, 02:02:43 PM »

Shalom /peace Mohammed

Did you even read the links I shared? If not, we are wasting our time ....

peace Duster,

God gave you 'reason'. So before following others and their works verify for yourself, for your safety.
Take it as a humble advice to you and some other members of this forum.

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General Discussions / Re: To Whom It May Concern

« on: May 28, 2019, 12:10:02 PM »

salaam,

I have provided the link with my post where you can find the original post and my replies.

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General Discussions / Re: Was Adam's Murdered Son Guilty or Innocent?

« on: May 28, 2019, 12:05:03 PM »

salaam Truth Seeker,

...when one brother killed his innocent brother ?

Who told you that? Do you have any evidence from the Qur'an?
I also heard it from traditional teachers, and brother Joseph also saying the same!.
http://quransmessage.com/articles/understanding%20trials%20FM3.htm

We should think in this way also,

Given the example of the Prophet Moses when he met a knowledgeable slave of Allah, and he killed a boy then Prophet Moses questioned him.

"So they left/set out until when they met/found a servant/boy, so he killed him. He (Moses) said: "Did you kill a pure self without a self? You had come (with) an awful/obscene thing." (18:74)

Later he clarified the reason to Prophet Moses,

"And as for the boy/servant, so his parents were believing, so we feared that he burdens/oppresses them (with) tyranny/arrogance and disbelief." (18:80)

Here the boy was killed because, in future he might be turning against Allah.

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General Discussions / Re: To Whom It May Concern

« on: May 28, 2019, 11:46:47 AM »

Wa'alaikum salaam,

You may find this helpful https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610679.msg425381

if somebody got a cancer he should pray instead of getting the surgery done,...

You can do radiation therapy/surgery(for bigger tumours that cannot treat with medicines) etc. in modern day. And you can identify the exact area of tumour growth through scanning. But what’s your LOGIC for 7th century? [Come with Qur’anic evidence, if you have]

When prayers/needs are not answered, it’s common/usual for human kind (e.g. hypocrites/those with weak faith/no faith) to find alternatives. (Many branches of modern science are just examples)

what if someone get his/her bone break ? oh God come fix my BONE

It’s in-born in humans, animals etc. the self-healing mechanism ( only if God willing ) and even bone fractures (with proper care). But such things/anything will not happen without reason.

one verse before 26:80

26:79 "And He is the One who feeds me and gives me to drink." and 3 times a day God knocks the door of everyone and said i bring food for you mate

some mothers dnt Trust on GOD thats why they dont wait  for God to come and feed their kids

In addition to the verse you quoted, there are plenty of verses in the Qur’an which mentions different kind of food /drink, or commands for what to eat/what to drink etc. and feeding/caring children too.

But with reference to illnesses/medicines/treatment did you find any verse other than 26:80 ? Or other than verses like 16:69, 41:44 ?

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General Discussions / Re: To Whom It May Concern

« on: May 28, 2019, 01:39:07 AM »

peace,

When people have no money (for visting a doctor), the only way is to depend/call God,
And when they have money, they seek refuge with the doctor.

39:8
And if harm touched the human, he called his Lord repenting to Him, then if He made him own a blessing/goodness from Him, he forgot what he was calling to Him from before, and he made/put to God equals to misguide from His path, say: " enjoy with your disbelief little that you are from the fire's owners/company."

For Red bold part
Qur'an does not mentions doctors but says,

"And if I am sick/diseased, it is He Who cures me.” [26:80]

People say we believe in one God. We are people of the Qur’an.
But it’s difficult/doubtful for them to think/believe that,

The One Who created/brought them,
The One Who engineered/designed them,
The One Who still keeps them alive/existing

can cure their diseases/illnesses!!!

Did the people think that they be left that they say: "We believed." And they are not being
tested? [29:2]

All the praises and thanks be to God, Lord of the worlds.

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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 28, 2019, 01:29:57 AM »

peace Duster,

If the message has not reached someone properly....

We are talking about 'the people of the book'
and what the Qur'an says about them?

3:19
That truly the dheen at God, (is) the islam/submission/surrender, and those who were given The Book did not differ/disagree/dispute, except from after what (that) the knowledge came to them, out of jealousy/oppression between them, and who disbelieves with God's signs/verses, so that God (is) swift in reckoning.

5:77
Say: "You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your dheen, other than the truth, and do not follow a nation's self attractions for desires, they had misguided from before and they misguided many, and they misguided from the way's/path's middle/straightness."

[Important : This is a saying of the prophet to the people in the 7th century]

RED What are the other dheens?
No doubt, Just human desires !

BLUE  About which dheen the prophet is talking?  It’s clear from the verses 3:19, 42:13 etc.

and from 48:28 it's clear that the prophet came with truth's dheen and the Guidance (the Qur'an)

48:28
He is who sent His messenger with the guidance and the truths' dheen to make it apparent/visible/overcome on/over the dheen all of it, and enough/sufficient with God (as) a witness.

5:83-84
...“Our Lord, we believe, so record us with the witnesses.” “And why should we not believe in God and what has come to us of the truth?

Who said this? Were they not ‘the people of the book’?

Now think, is the term 'people of the book' applicable to today's Jews/Christians?(who do not follow the Qur'an)
[and do you think that all people today who say 'we follow the Qur'an' are in true dheen?]

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General Discussions / Re: Plastic Surgery

« on: May 28, 2019, 01:17:34 AM »

I suspect that either you are in 'overthinking condition'...

Another  doubt is here in (8:49)
“When/if the hypocrites and those who in their hearts/minds (there) is sickness/disease said: "Those, their dheen has deceived/tempted (them)." And who relies/depends on God, so then God (is) glorious/mighty, wise/judicious.

Of course, they couldn’t imagine/think/believe that (i.e. for example, group of 20 fighting group of 200!! -8:65.

But, it’s all about FAITH & PATIENCE.

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Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Time understand for Salah and fasting in some countries where day is longer ?

« on: May 28, 2019, 01:10:03 AM »

...and according to Qur’an the term ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’ is used for ‘10 days’ (in 2:203, Qur’an mentions ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’ for Hajj days, and from 2:189 & 196 Hajj days are 10).

I meant max. of ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’/Hajj days is 10.

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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 27, 2019, 12:47:19 AM »

Wa'laikum salaam/peace,

3:113-114 "Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand: They rehearse the verses of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten in good deeds: They are in the ranks of the righteous"

see the verses 5:83-84 which I quoted, can't you see a connection?

3:19
That truly the dheen at God, (is) the islam/submission/surrender, and those who were given The Book did not differ/disagree/dispute, except from after what (that) the knowledge came to them, out of jealousy/oppression between them, and who disbelieves with God's signs/verses, so that God (is) swift in reckoning.

48:28
He is who sent His messenger with the guidance and the truths' dheen to make it apparent/visible/overcome on/over the dheen all of it, and enough/sufficient with God (as) a witness.

3:85
And whoever seeks other than the islam/submission/surrender (as) a dheen, so (it) will not be accepted from him, and he (is) in the end from the losers.

After reading this, what's your understanding of a disbeliever? If one (e.g. one from people of the book) not believing in the Qur'an, what will you call him?

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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 26, 2019, 07:23:20 PM »

...but something like Unitarians ...

What does this means?? What is your definition of a believer?

Btw you didn't answer my questions. Each to their own.

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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 26, 2019, 07:04:34 PM »

Are you saying that believers can marry today's Jews and Christians even if they are not believing in the Qur'an?

Why 'people of the book' not mentioned in other marriage verses like 24:32, 4:25, 2:221 etc.?

What do you think about this?

5:82
You will find the people with the greatest animosity towards those who believe are the Jews and those who are polytheists; and you will find the closest in affection to those who believe are those who said: “We are Nazarenes/Christians;” that is because among them are Priests and Monks, and they are not arrogant.

5:83
And if they hear what was sent down to the messenger you see their eyes flooding with tears, for what they have known as the truth, they say: “Our Lord, we believe, so record us with the witnesses.”

So as they believed in the Qur'an, they will have Swalat, Fasting in Ramadan, Hajj etc. right? i.e. they are no more Nazarenes/Christians.

5:84
“And why should we not believe in God and what has come to us of the truth? And we yearn that our Lord admits us with the righteous people.”

And your last part(quote) is off here. Am talking about marriage

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Islamic Duties / Re: Swalah times

« on: May 26, 2019, 06:35:18 PM »

in the evening twilight.

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Islamic Duties / Re: Swalah times

« on: May 26, 2019, 06:07:05 PM »

Correction

I agree that night starts when the sun disc is completely below horizon.

I don't know when night starts but it's night when the sun disc is completely below horizon.

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General Discussions / Re: Marriage with the People of the Book

« on: May 26, 2019, 12:20:11 PM »

3:19
That truly the dheen at God, (is) the islam/submission/surrender, and those who were given The Book did not differ/disagree/dispute, except from after what (that) the knowledge came to them, out of jealousy/oppression between them, and who disbelieves with God's signs/verses, so that God (is) swift in reckoning.

48:28
He is who sent His messenger with the guidance and the truths' dheen to make it apparent/visible/overcome on/over the dheen all of it, and enough/sufficient with God (as) a witness.

3:85
And whoever seeks other than the islam/submission/surrender (as) a dheen, so (it) will not be accepted from him, and he (is) in the end from the losers.

peace