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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 02:56:10 AM »
It is CLEAR evident to ANYONE who reads any of Brother Joseph’s writings; he is Beyond blessed from Allah, MashaAllah, May Allah Protect him and give him wisdom beyond description to keep on teaching and spreading the word of Allah to the human race.

Alhamdulillah always
The meaning which was lost in all our divisions will not be understood until our perceptions become untainted -  Allama Iqbal

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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2014, 03:56:42 AM »
Yet - you have no reason to do so. And it makes perfect sense to understand wings of angel in twos, threes and fours. I have already explained this. You are not counter what I have already explained  you are merely repeating your self.

Shalom / peace. This is just so not true. Traditionalists themselves do not believe this. The believe that angel Gabriel has 600 wings!!!!

"Narrated Abdullah:

Regarding the Verses: 'And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) convey the Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he Gabriel) conveyed (that to Muhammad...' (53.9-10) Ibn Mas'ud narrated to us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel with six hundred wings"   - BUKHARI - Volume 6, Book 60, Number 379:

So is the Quran now false because it limits it to four wings while hadith say  it is 600 or is the expression multiplicity like bro Joseph says?

Brother Joseph - thank you for putting this matter straight.

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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2019, 09:07:58 PM »
Oh now here are some older but reasonable responses from Deliverance and Optimist I find. Very well said.

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All other forms are only allowed in emergencies and only allowed to man with capability to deal justly and it depends on the relation from Man to orphan not to the other women.

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Trying to justify polygamy under cover of verse 4:3, in ordinary circumstances and without the condition mentioned, is nothing but the open flouting of the injunctions in the Quran. If you ask somebody, he would say, that as he was childless, he married again; as if God had enjoined upon him to increase the tribe of Adam and then come to Him, failing which he would be sent to hell. On the contrary, God Himself has said that children are born according to the law of nature. Some get boys and some girls; some have boys and girls both, and some remain childless (42:50).Some say that because their wives were perpetually ill, they married again. According to them companionship means: As long as your partner is healthy you keep her, and the minute she is sick you throw her into hell..!!!

The arguments put by Khalid Zia are interesting too.  Such as:

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Example:

"Butterflies have wings in twos, threes or fours"

It is understood by the above phrase that the upper limit is 4. Here it would mean 2 on each side.

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"John, line up these people in twos, threes or fours"

It is understood by the above phrase that the upper limit is 4.

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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2019, 11:29:45 PM »
Salaam,

As there will be differing views on marrying more than one wife depending on a persons own standpoint, I have a solution for those women who would be absolutely opposed to the idea of their husband taking another wife and they should do it before entering marriage.

Apart from discussing the issue with her future husband, she should make it clear in the marriage contract that she has a right to request that during their marriage he agrees not to marry another woman.

The marriage contract is surprisingly overlooked amongst Muslims, who could save a lot of heartache later on in their lives, if only they discussed their viewpoint openly. That is why it is called a contract.

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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2019, 05:12:22 AM »

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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2019, 06:20:41 AM »
Unfortunately the link was inactive so I looked it up and found the story here:

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/07/lahore-man-gets-11-months-in-jail-for-second-marriage/

"..was found guilty of violating Section 6(5) of the Muslim Family Laws Ordinance, 1961. A man is required to submit written permission from his first wife if he wishes to marry another woman according to the law. If a man is found guilty of violating the law, then he may be imprisoned for a year."

The government has obviously enshrined this in their penal code as it maybe a problem in Pakistan. The law of the land has to be abided by first and foremost. His marital obligations to his spouse also must be upheld, including consulting with her before embarking upon another marriage.

If she doesn't give permission and he still wants to proceed, then it would be likely that he would divorce the first wife.

Given the fact that her complaint against him led to him being jailed, she is probably going to find herself divorced anyway, so maybe she was scorned and wanted her vengeance.  ;D






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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2019, 05:27:30 PM »
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However one may view it or blame the woman (as is common with some people), the law is a good one and I hope they keep it strict.

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Re: Critique: Marrying 4 wives in Islam
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2019, 07:26:10 AM »

The law is good because it is curbing those men who wander off and marry another woman without consultation (some keeping it a complete secret too!)

I am not sure about what you mean when you say '..or blame the woman'.