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Surah Nisa
« on: June 28, 2012, 08:08:49 AM »
Assalam Bros,I need some clarification on Sura Nisa.Allah says in 4:1 about creation of men & women and relationship.In Aya 4:2 He asks about giving property to Orphans in good condition. In 4:3 Allah says if you fear that you can not act equitable towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you,two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between them then marry only one.I am not able to understand "if" and  "then".What is the connection between "If not being equitable towards orphans and then  marrying women of one"s choice. I am not particular about how many to marry but the connection between "IF" and "THEN" Thanks
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Re: Surah Nisa
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 01:33:50 PM »
Assalam Bros,I need some clarification on Sura Nisa.Allah says in 4:1 about creation of men & women and relationship.In Aya 4:2 He asks about giving property to Orphans in good condition. In 4:3 Allah says if you fear that you can not act equitable towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you,two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between them then marry only one.I am not able to understand "if" and  "then".What is the connection between "If not being equitable towards orphans and then  marrying women of one"s choice. I am not particular about how many to marry but the connection between "IF" and "THEN" Thanks

Wa'alaikumu'ssalam

This verse has three parts;

(i) The first part is: And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans… In Arabic "Yatama" means the children whose fathers have died, as well as those young women who are without husbands. They could be widows or young maidens who cannot get husbands. A little further ahead The Quran has used the words "Yatamun-Nisa" with these meanings (4: 127).

This verse specifically refers to the circumstances in which you are afraid that you would be unable to fairly address the problem of orphans or women without husbands. In other words, you would not be able to fulfill your duty justly towards needs and protection, which they rightly deserve. The meaning of the verse is quite clear. In a disastrous situation such as a war in which a great number of young men got killed, and there are great many orphaned children and young women left without husbands, the law governing marriage to one wife is relaxed temporarily.  It is obvious that this permission is a social necessity and not that of an individual. Only the society can decide whether they have such emergent conditions or not.

(ii) In second part it points to such situations: then marry from amongst them those who seem suitable, by twos, threes or fours (as the situation demands).

You marry women you like out of these, and thus absorb them into your family. In case of widows, their children, too, are included. This is the just treatment for them. If this problem can be solved by marrying two wives then marry two; if you can do it with three then marry three; or in the same manner you may marry the forth and no more.

(iii) The third part is: but if you fear that you will not do justice then marry only one (4: 3). As an individual, the relaxation is allowed to only that person who can do justice to all of them.    Here the word "Tauolu" has two meanings. One 'being unjust', and the other is 'being burdened' by the expenses of too big a family. Therefore when the Quran directs that if you cannot do justice, then keep the principle of one wife, the aim of this directive is firstly not to be unjust to one and secondly not be weighed down too much by the responsibility of looking after more than one family.

At the same time it is important to note that, in the same Chapter, in verse 4:129, Allah says;

“You are never able to do justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire.  But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air)”.

Quran says that psychologically it is impossible to love each wife equally. No matter how much one want to, one cannot do this type of justice. But we have to respond to the collective need of society. This is a social decision.  The Quran says, you must do this, that you should not tilt to one side only, and neglect the other - (4:129). 
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Re: Surah Nisa
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 02:02:53 AM »
Dear Bro.The Ayah does not say anything about diastrous situation like War efc.Why do you assume that? Secondly the Ayah does not say marry among these orphans any where.It  says "If you fear about not able to do equitable justice to Orphans the marry such womaen seem good to you" therefore there is no reference to Orpgans but other Women as you like.Therefore your explanation about" IF" and" Then "does not give answer to my question Thanks
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Re: Surah Nisa
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 08:55:06 PM »
May I request Bro JAI to please give his opinion on this? Thanks
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Re: Surah Nisa
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 04:31:58 AM »
Salamun Alaikum,

In my humble opinion, the verse simply presents a scenario of a conflict of interest and then tackles it.  If condition X is present, then do Y. That is it. That is why you have an 'if' (Arabic: in) and 'then' (Arabic: fa) statement.

Condition = Conflict of interest (orphan property at risk). See also 4:127
Action = Marry other women (Do not marry the orphan)
 
Much is often read into this verse which quite frankly with respect, simply isn't there.

Furthermore, Verse 4:3 does not appear to focus on stipulating an allowance of the number of wives. Rather, the focus seems to be concentrated on curtailing any potential injustice to an orphan with regards her wealth (4:129). The Arabic term 'mathna wathulatha waruba'a' ((by/in) twos and threes and fours) seems to simply denote a multiplicity which can be affirmed against verse 35:1 which uses the same phrase to describe certain attributes of the angels.
 
The Quran seems not to either encourage or discourage polygyny or stipulate any particular numbers. This seems to be much in tandem with the previous scriptures. The Quran seems to recognise individual capacity and guidance is offered with respect to it.

http://quransmessage.com/articles/four%20wives%20FM3.htm

I hope that helps, God willing.
Joseph.
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Re: Surah Nisa
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2012, 07:05:36 AM »
May I request Bro JAI to please give his opinion on this? Thanks


Dear Sardar,

May we kindly request that you do not specifically ask br. Joseph to join a discussion on a particular thread. By doing this, other participants may feel that their input is not being valued.  Also given br. Joseph's schedule, it may be difficult for him to join in every single thread at request.

Please do continue to post. Like others, your questions and comments are valued.

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Re: Surah Nisa
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2012, 11:04:45 PM »
Thanks for good advice. I shall keep in mind.
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