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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Joseph Islam's Article "EXCLUSIVENESS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (pbuh)"

« on: February 26, 2014, 01:36:39 PM »

Asalamu alaykum

I think brother Armanaziz made a good point.

also to what extent can another messenger be better or lesser than another one when at the end by God's will they completed there tasks. Even if some were to make a little more or a little less errors than another  in this world which im not suggesting they did. Who are we to evaluate this.

Also there are messengers that God has not mentioned (40:78)
Yusuf Ali: We did aforetime send messengers before thee: of them there are some whose story We have related to thee, and some whose story We have not related to thee...


Also there were at times more than one messenger present to a certain group of people. Is the ranks that God bestows on his messengers implied by the authority they had over one another? Example Moses and Harun (pbut).

Either way 2:285 says it best.

Salam

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General Discussions / Re: Verse 9:29

« on: February 22, 2014, 08:36:58 PM »

Asalamu alaykum

I was reading that surah a few days ago. As a layman reading it I still got some what of the point. But now I read this I can relate much more and have a better understanding.

Jazak Allah khair brother Joseph for the clear explaination. It helped very much.

Thank you

Salam

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General Discussions / which prophet is saying verse 11:31

« on: February 09, 2014, 04:23:34 PM »

Asalamun Alikum.

Dear brother Joseph Islam

As I was reading in the Quran and trying to focus on the audience and the speaker and who is narrating the story at times. I remembered you quoted a verse that was said by the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) in your article below


http://quransmessage.com/articles/prophetic%20assistance%20FM3.htm

As I been trying to follow the stories correctly, can you explain just briefly how its prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is saying this and not prophet Noah(pbuh)?

I been noticing the changes in when Allah(swt) is talking to someone or to the reader or the prophets(pbut)  and the changes of a person speaking from time to time to there people etc. Although the whole Quran is the word of Allah(swt). I am not noticing the change in verse 10:31 from Noah to Muhammad (pbut).


Just thought maybe something im not looking for or im missing that can help when reading Inshallah

Peace

Hamzeh

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Islamic Duties / Re: mixed praying men and women?

« on: October 18, 2013, 06:16:37 PM »

Salam brother Joseph.

You know, now that I keep in mind the presence of water separate from the absence of water I start thinking a little different. Thanks for waking me up on that.

To be honest, when I read your discussions regarding women and men praying together, and realized that there might not be any verses that permits or prohibits men and women praying together, I was a little shocked. Knowing the Quran is fully detailed and nothing omitted from the book concerning religion, I thought to myself that here has to be something regarding this matter. I thought that it was a religious matter and could be disturbing to some. I was actually thinking about it for many many hours and went to sleep and woke up in the middle of the night then suddenly I remembered those verses 4:43 and 5:6. And thought I would write to you before I forget that night. I guess from the culture I am from it seemed wrong to me, to be praying by another women or it would maybe bug me for my wife to be praying my another man or between.

After my last response, I had a couple days to think about the situation, and did realize concerning verses 4:43 and 5:6 that I should be taking into account that at times there is water present and at times there is none.

And I had a somewhat feeling of what you were going to respond with and was excited to find out. And after reading it I agree with you.

But what was really amazing is that I also realized why such a topic would be silent in the Quran. Even matters that are silent from a Qurans perspective has much meaning as to why there silent at times. ( I learned that from you )

As the day went by, and I thought of both the verses. I went to a get a cup of coffee and while the lady at the cashier handed me the change we accidentally touched each others fingers. It could of been possible I accidentally lightly touched a lady walking by in a very crowded environment. I stopped off at home and gave my kids and wife a hug. possibly tomorrow I will give my mother and my sister one too. It did not seem like there was anything unpure about any of that.

oh your wrote: "Are we suggesting that a woman is impure to touch? On what theological grounds from the Quran can such a position be warranted? Why is a man not impure to touch? The verses of ablution apply to both genders as a precursor to prayer. "

I did not mean that, I just thought its obvious that if a man touches a women the women automatically touches the man also, so that they are both in need of ablution. So I was implying both genders. But anyways thats not the case anymore.

Praying with my female family side by side would not disturb my prayer in anyway. But maybe praying side by side with a high school crush for example might just disturb it. It shouldn't but might.

Maybe at times father, mother, daughters and sons all pray together.

So it seems like its left up to either a single person or relatives/family or a group or community to choose on what they prefer. Making sure there co-operating with the decency of the Quran. Seems like the Quran is allowing people to make a choice to pray with close relatives and/or friends and/or believers in the manner that there intentions is praying to God alone.

Mary for example from the verse 3:43 "bow with those that bow down"

she could of prayed even alone behind or apart from those who were also praying, or side by side with her family or her father and brothers, and sisters if she had any. And could of chose to line up anywhere she wanted to. As you stated in another discussion that it "indicates participation".

Maybe a status of a man or women whether they are married or single could effect the decisions they make.

Sorry for making this a big deal, and spending more time than it should of on the topic. Its just before I heard of a mosque that used to do that and I looked at it like it was doing something wrong.

I guess if the intentions are right and the people are willing. Thats there choice and God knows best the intentions. And at the end of the day, there is options for everyone out there regarding the kinds of mosque to go. And regarding mixing at the hajj, seems to be in decency with the Quran.

Thank you brother Joseph. And always a pleasure to read your articles and always looking forward to reading new and old Facebook posts. Inshallah soon when I get facebook I can comment on your posts there as well.

Salamu Alikum

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Women / Re: after giving birth waiting period?

« on: October 18, 2013, 04:11:01 PM »

Thank you that did help.

Also from close relatives I hear also it takes women sometimes more than 40 days to recover or readjust.

I guess from women to women the days may very. some readjust before or after 40 days. The 40 day information that I heard might of came just from secondary islamic sources.

Taking wisdom from verses of the Quran like this one seems to help indeed

2:222
Yusuf Ali
They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.


Thanks brother

Peace

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Islamic Duties / Re: mixed praying men and women?

« on: October 15, 2013, 02:22:31 PM »

Edited version of the last message 

Salam Joseph

I agree with the link you provided as how the word 'lamasa' means any sort of touch and including a sexual touch as well but when touching starts to be sexual a person switches to a state of Junub. But I think the word 'Junuban' is what is referring to the sexual state of touching which the lexicon says this

Jiim-Nun-Ba = To break or hit or hurt one's side, to lead one by his side, place or put a thing aside, to remove or send a thing far away or far off, estrange or alienate someone, descend and abode/settle as a stranger among people, to be remote/distant/far off/aloof from someone, shun or avoid someone, alienate or estrange oneself from someone, to be under the obligation of performing a total bath or ablution (by reason of sexual intercourse and semenal discharge), to be lateral or adjacent to someone or to a thing, walk by the side of another, to be gentle/compliant/easy to deal with, to be much of.[1]

There seems to be a need for a full bath either purify or wash (taharu or taghtasilu) when touching in the sexual(Junuban)

Maybe even if one is in the state of Junuban it seems like tayammamoo(earth to rub over the face and hands) is not valid. Its better just to stay away and pass through(Aabiree sabeelin) It seems like there is no blame on him till he gets to water and bathes.

Also I ask myself why can't he the person who is in a state of junuban just do tayammamoo if lamastum means sexual relations.

Maybe because even a person travelling through(a traveller Safarin) can possibly rub his face and hands with earth after a call of nature or lamastum nisaa (assuming its only touching). However if touching turns to sexual relations that traveller becomes in a state of junuban and now requires to bath and if he walks by a place of worship he should not pray but to pass by it.

Its insisting that the person go to a source of water. and not approach the prayer 4:43. when in a state of sexual impurities.
If lamastumu nisaa means touching sexually then I wouldn't see a need for the part talking about a person passing through(Aabiree Sabeeli) because the meaning can remain the same, but of course Allah(swt) knows best and why.

Also seems like the form of ablution is needed if a person only touches a women without any sexuality involved but if there is no water present then rubbing earth would be suitable.

surah 5:6 is saying that before prayer perform ablution(wudu) but ablution is not enough if someone is in a state of ceremonial impurity. So how can tayammamoo be enough when contacting women sexually when even when water is present the verse is telling someone to take a full bath or to be purified and ablution is not enough.

It also seems like both of the verses are in connection with each other somehow.

If this is correct I think I would also try to figure out maybe which nisaa(women) are these referring to? Maybe anyone that is permissible to be married?

Allah(swt) knows best

Love to hear from you back to see what you think.

Eid Mubarak to you and your family and all that see this message. What a wonderful site to discuss and learn. Inshallah May Allah(swt) guide us always to even a nearer path to truth.

Salam


Reference

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

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Islamic Duties / Re: mixed praying men and women?

« on: October 15, 2013, 01:31:31 PM »

Salam Joseph

I agree with the link you provided as how the word 'lamasa' means any sort of touch and including a sexual touch as well but when touching starts to be sexual a person switches to a state of Junub. But I think the word 'Junuban' is what is referring to the sexual state of touching which the lexicon says this

Jiim-Nun-Ba = To break or hit or hurt one's side, to lead one by his side, place or put a thing aside, to remove or send a thing far away or far off, estrange or alienate someone, descend and abode/settle as a stranger among people, to be remote/distant/far off/aloof from someone, shun or avoid someone, alienate or estrange oneself from someone, to be under the obligation of performing a total bath or ablution (by reason of sexual intercourse and semenal discharge), to be lateral or adjacent to someone or to a thing, walk by the side of another, to be gentle/compliant/easy to deal with, to be much of.[1]

There seems to be a need for a full bath either purify or wash (taharu or taghtasilu) when touching in the sexual way in a state of Junuban. Maybe even if one is in the state of Junuban it seems like tayammamoo(earth to rub over the face and hands) is not valid. Better just to stay away only if passing through(Aabiree sabeelin). because even a person travelling through(a traveller Safarin) can possibly rub his face and hands with earth after a call of nature or lamastum nisaa. But its insisting that the person go to a source of water. and not approach the prayer 4:43. when in a state of sexual impurities.
If lamastumu nisaa means touching sexually then I wouldn't see a need for the part talking about junuban and a person passing through because the meaning can remain the same, but of course Allah(swt) knows best and why.

The form of ablution is needed if a person only touches a women without any sexuality involved but if there is no water present then rubbing earth would be suitable.

surah 5:6 is saying that before prayer perform ablution(wudu) but ablution is not enough if someone is in a state of ceremonial impurity. So how can tayammamoo be enough when contacting women sexually when even when water is present the verse is telling someone to take a full bath or to be purified and ablution is not enough.

It also seems like both of the verses are in connection with each other somehow.

If this is correct I think I would also try to figure out maybe which nisaa(women) are these referring to? Maybe anyone that is permissible to be married?

Allah(swt) knows best

Love to hear from you back to see what you think

Eid Mubarak to you and your family and all that see this message. What a wonderful site to discuss and learn. Inshallah May Allah(swt) guide us always to even a nearer path to truth.

Salam


Reference

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

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Women / after giving birth waiting period?

« on: October 15, 2013, 12:34:58 AM »

Salamun alikum

Is there any indication from the Quran on when a husband and wife can get back together after a women delivers a baby?

I heard its 40 days not sure if that's a Qurans perspective or ahadith

Thanks

Salam

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Islamic Duties / mixed praying men and women?

« on: October 14, 2013, 11:16:51 PM »

Asalamun Alikum

Dear brother Joseph

I happened to read some of your articles and some discussions you made with certain people regarding "Women praying with men" website below

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=101.0

I was thinking about this. As I believe the Quran is complete for religious guidance and gives many examples that we can benefit from. The example the Quran gives regarding Mary bowing down with those that bow down still can be argued by others that its not clear whether its male or female. But it does not really say that it should not happen either.

I thought a little more and I wanted to share these two verses that I remembered about what a person should do when approaching prayer and when ablution(wudu) should be done.

Yusuf Ali (4:43)
O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.

Yusuf Ali (5:6)
O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

As we know that when we have congressional prayer many times we are in contact with each other. sometimes the feet, sometimes shoulders, or elbows, and sometimes as i seen people grabbing one another just to get closer etc 

from the 2 verses above if the word lamastumu means just touching women and not necessarily having any relations(sexual) with them because I see the 'ceremonial impurities' would include the sexual relationship. If lamastumu means just touching or contacting of non marriageable women in general. Then

Its difficult to see how man and women can pray together as they might touch each other but the Quran asks to make ablution(wudu) before approaching prayer if you become in contact with each other.  so pretty much one has to keep making ablution during the prayer and actually he or she can't even pray because soon as contact happens its time for ablution(wudu) again. Seems like the verses are suggesting a separation between men and women during prayer.

And also you mentioned " However, gender separation can still be maintained despite prayer being performed in the same prayer hall. I know of many women that would feel uncomfortable praying along with unknown men and vice versa. I don't think that one has to prove a point by intermingling both sexes as I'm sure you will agree."

I agree with that statement, and also it can be distracting for both genders if the right intentions are not there.

And taking the hajj for example that they have mixed intermingling men and women does not indicate that is correct though it might be, which im not saying that thats what you stated but just to point out another thought.


God knows best

and thank you my dear brother for all the hard and dedicated work that you continue to share with us. May Allah(swt) bless you and your family.

Jazak Allah Khair

Salam

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General Discussions / Re: hypothetical question..!!

« on: October 12, 2013, 05:06:47 PM »

Salam

Thanks truth seeker

I guess brother joseph decided to write a article which is very informative  as well as the link you have shared

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=829.msg3084#msg3084

THE VIRGIN BIRTH OF PROPHET JESUS (pbuh) 

http://quransmessage.com/articles/virgin-birth%20FM3.htm

Salam

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General Discussions / Re: hypothetical question..!!

« on: September 22, 2013, 11:29:04 PM »

Salamun alikum optimist

Allahu ahlam, maybe she got pregnant and had her son the same day. Does the Quran inform us how long her pregnancy was or if it was even a normal pregnancy?  As we know it was not a normal birth in regards to marriage.  Maybe was not a normal pregnancy.  If she did not notice she was pregnant why would she ask how did she get pregnant.

And the news given to her was of a son. So its pretty much same thing. If she asks how can I have a son when no man has touched me or how can I get pregnant.

Also from the time of the good news of a son till the time she delivers her son. How long is the period.  Even if it was normal 9 month. She still replied to the news she was given.

And according to your question in general I would have to say maybe some women would answer or react different. 

Also keep in mind to look for any info whether she was already pregnant or not before the news was given to her?

Or the time frame from when the news was  given to her till birth of the her son. Maybe it was happening all at once

I am not trying to guess here. Just maybe some things to keep in mind while reading in the Quran or for someone who is more familiar with the book can get a better understanding.

Allah(swt) knows best

I just thought maybe if you wanted to figure something out about that maybe those are some other things you should know from the Qurans perspective

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Discussions / Immunization/vaccination?

« on: September 19, 2013, 08:28:28 AM »

Salamun Alikum

Dear brothers and sisters

What is your opinions from a Quranic point of view on Immunization and vaccinations such at the time of birth or through ones life?

I did a lot of reading about immunizations, and I just cant seem to get the right answers and make up my mind on such a topic. The opinions of doctors and patients seem very hard to tell whats right and whats wrong.

There is from some people who tell you through studies that immunization for children is harmful and caused lots of harm. And that the studies and testing of immunization is on this generation and its being test now. And the pandemics that happened was not cured by immunizations and it was by better hygiene and cleanliness. and after the use of immunization many peoples immune systems are getting weaker and also causes diseases and does not let the full development of the immune system to develop.

on the other hand, there are other doctors and people who stand up for immunizations and say this is what helped people all over the world to cure the sicknesses. And its been around for a very long time and dates back 1000's of years. And its so safe that you can inject a child with 100 needles and it wont harm them.

I know from the Quran, Allah(swt) tells us honey is a healing for men

Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought.  (16:69)

Also mentioned in the Quran is that

The One who has PERFECTED EVERYTHING HE HAS CREATED and began the creation of mankind from clay (32:7)

The Ayah above I can see it to mean about the form of humans and everything else. But also maybe that the human can have the capabilities of fighting things that are harmful in the world. That it has a defence system created with it.


I think from both point of views one can argue his views by people who have been harmed by them and people who maybe be helped by them.


I can understand that this might not be a religious question rather a medical question.
Its just that sometimes its seems like if someone doesn't take the vaccines its made to seem like its life threatening. And vice versa.

I know that some illnesses can be causes by ones self, by inflicting harm to his or her self. by eating bad, uncleanliness, bad substances etc.

And some are from the Allah(swt)

Also I am not against advancement in the world as the world is progressing and people are learning and developing new things. But I can also see things being for other peoples self interest and making money.

I know from generation to generation parents all line up to give their children the vaccines without question. They all assume its good and its just right. They have no idea what inside of them and the effects if any. They can be possibly safe, but I just got a bad feeling about them from reading many cases on the internet and peoples reviews.

Also I know the Quran states

And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (17:36)

I believe in depending on the creator always, and also He has given us knowledge and good things to use in this world.

I watched the movie "pursuit of happiness" and I remember the tale the son was telling his father

Hey dad, you wanna hear something funny? There was a man who was drowning, and a boat came, and the man on the boat said "Do you need help?" and the man said "God will save me". Then another boat came and he tried to help him, but he said "God will save me", then he drowned and went to Heaven. Then the man told God, "God, why didn't you save me?" and God said "I sent you two boats, you dummy!"

I would say it makes me think somewhat similar to something like vaccines if someone did not take them or give them to their kids. Like why didn't someone take them when they were available and it was a source of help if that is the case. I hope you get my point

Any help from the Quran's guidance would be very appreciated

Also would like to hear brother Joseph Islam perspective

Thank you

Salamun Alikum

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Islamic Duties / Re: Qur'an 5:6

« on: August 29, 2013, 06:40:23 PM »

Salamun Alikum

I was actually very curious about these questions you asked as well.

thanks

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General Discussions / Re: Qur'an 11:71 Isaac and Ishmael

« on: August 29, 2013, 06:34:04 PM »

Salamum Alikum everyone

I found this to be a very good discussion. And I would have to say both of you seem like you are honestly trying to figure out the facts and truth and not just trying to prove your own views by ignoring certain aspects. Sometimes the results takes time and deep searching. I really found this to be interesting. Thanks all of you for sharing your views for others to think about.

I read the article about "Ishmael or Isaac" by brother Joseph Islam. I don't know if he mentioned that the whole scenario about Abraham and the sacrifice of his son was a dream or not. He just mentioned who was the one being sacrificed.  And I found that very convincing.

And a comment to 8pider, I see your point when you take in the bible into effect with this verse you mentioned.
Genesis 17:19 God says “Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.”.

I thought that was smart thinking. But I think taking the Quran alone is a safer way to get the right answer and you might then see the article with a different view.

Now as for if the sacrifice of Abraham's son was a dream or it actually happened?

037.102-109
"And when he attained to working with him, he said: O my son! surely I have seen in a dream that I should sacrifice you; consider then what you see. He said: O my father! do what you are commanded; if God pleases, you will find me of the patient ones. So when they both submitted and he put him down upon his forehead, We called out to him "O Abraham! You have already fulfilled the vision. Surely thus do We reward the good. Surely! that verily was a clear test. And We ransomed him with a Feat sacrifice. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times. Peace be on Abraham"

It seems like Abraham(pbuh) is relating his dream to his son and wants his opinion or views. Then he tells his father do what your commanded. Now I think Saba is suggesting that how can we tell if this command was from Allah(swt).

They both submitted. But after we read that it says "we called out to him" we as in Allah(swt) And he told him that you have fulfilled the vision. The vision was fulfilled because they both submitted. And of course Allah(swt) knows that if he let things keep going he would of actually carried out the sacrifice. He can see the future but maybe he intervened somehow at that point to replace the son with a feat sacrifice. And it was a clear test. And the son was ransomed with a feat sacrifice. And we notice after this Allah gave him the good news of Isaac a prophet of the righteous (saliheena). Which seems after the struggle and hardship that the son went through Allah granted him prophethood which the article explains in details.

Now I think if this all was a dream then the son would must of had the same dream since he was also tested.

Allah knows best (Allahu Ahlam)

Peace

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Islamic Duties / Re: Shayateen are Imprisoned during Ramazan

« on: August 16, 2013, 04:13:17 PM »

Salamun Alikum


I was thinking about that this Ramadan. And just questioned it in my head if the shayateen are imprisoned during Ramadan.  Now that you also mentioned that hadith or a immam who got it from hadith also says that the Doors of Jahannam would be closed during Ramazan.

Thanks for sharing.

Peace