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Islamic Duties / Re: A counter to Quranists
« on: February 07, 2014, 03:58:56 AM »
Salaam Sardar,
Do you have a question about my comment to Islmail?
Do you have a question about my comment to Islmail?
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Islamic Duties / Re: A counter to Quranists
« on: February 07, 2014, 02:33:19 AM »
Salaam Ismail,
Can you please tell me what your thoughts are about verse 33:67? and 66:1?
Can you please tell me what your thoughts are about verse 33:67? and 66:1?
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Islamic Duties / Re: A counter to Quranists
« on: February 04, 2014, 11:58:01 AM »
Salaam Saba and Sardar,
So someone adopted the word "Quranist" because a Muslim who only follows the only scripture Muslims are to follow, which is what Allah instructs is to do, and that is the Quran. It is a slander on the Quran itself using that term in my opinion. The correct term is misguided or gone astray, such as Muslims, who think they are Muslims and attach themselves to a sect and other books or a set of beliefs that go against the words of Allah. I follow the Quran only, and am a believer/Muslim as Allah calls one in the Quran. I reject all Hadith, weather the go along with the Quran or not. I obey Allahs command to just follow the Quran. I am surprised at some muslims using that word. hmmm
So someone adopted the word "Quranist" because a Muslim who only follows the only scripture Muslims are to follow, which is what Allah instructs is to do, and that is the Quran. It is a slander on the Quran itself using that term in my opinion. The correct term is misguided or gone astray, such as Muslims, who think they are Muslims and attach themselves to a sect and other books or a set of beliefs that go against the words of Allah. I follow the Quran only, and am a believer/Muslim as Allah calls one in the Quran. I reject all Hadith, weather the go along with the Quran or not. I obey Allahs command to just follow the Quran. I am surprised at some muslims using that word. hmmm
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 04, 2014, 08:13:55 AM »
Salaam Optimist,
Was your last message to me? I only asked BJ about body parts.
I am so done with all this.
Salaam
Was your last message to me? I only asked BJ about body parts.
I am so done with all this.
Salaam
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 07:29:04 AM »
Salamun Alaikum Brother Joseph,
I got another question about this topic..
I am not sure how to ask this without making it sound gross and perverted but here it goes...
Allah says for the meat when it is allowed to slaughter "Certain" animals. I know that animals produce milk, eggs when they are alive. But isn't there a limitations, like I know blood is not allowed from the animal, how about body parts?
I was at this middle eastern restaurant/store a bit ago grabbing something, (non meat of course) when a lady nearly had a fit because they were out of testicles. I mean she was PISSED! She than went to talk to the butcher and said her husband was craving testicles
and if it was possible if they can have some the following day. She actually insisted they slaughter some sheep to have more stock for testicles. I have even seen tongues (puking in my mouth) in the cooler as I close my eyes and look away.. I know many eat heads, brains, intestines and many many more.. I mean come on... lets kill an animal so we can eat it's private parts? Is this even permissible? Isn't it prohibited to slaughter thousands of innocent animals so they can be placed on a cooler shelf "GREED" or to get pacific body parts?
Shukrun in advance...
I got another question about this topic..
I am not sure how to ask this without making it sound gross and perverted but here it goes...
Allah says for the meat when it is allowed to slaughter "Certain" animals. I know that animals produce milk, eggs when they are alive. But isn't there a limitations, like I know blood is not allowed from the animal, how about body parts?
I was at this middle eastern restaurant/store a bit ago grabbing something, (non meat of course) when a lady nearly had a fit because they were out of testicles. I mean she was PISSED! She than went to talk to the butcher and said her husband was craving testicles
and if it was possible if they can have some the following day. She actually insisted they slaughter some sheep to have more stock for testicles. I have even seen tongues (puking in my mouth) in the cooler as I close my eyes and look away.. I know many eat heads, brains, intestines and many many more.. I mean come on... lets kill an animal so we can eat it's private parts? Is this even permissible? Isn't it prohibited to slaughter thousands of innocent animals so they can be placed on a cooler shelf "GREED" or to get pacific body parts? Shukrun in advance...
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 04:16:19 AM »
Salaam Saba,
Thank You!!
Thank You!!
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 03:55:27 AM »
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 03:50:48 AM »
Sallam Saba,
I think BJ, nailed it on a different forum just now about when God says all such as fruits. Certainly there are poisonous and toxic fruits, He is not saying go ahead eat those too. Allah is All Wise All Knowing AllMighty... He certainly wants one to use their intellect. He certainly uses an example with the fruits not prohibiting, which is another example for the sea creatures.
Thanks Brother Joseph about the fruit comments.. Hopefully that will end the justification of these verses.
I think BJ, nailed it on a different forum just now about when God says all such as fruits. Certainly there are poisonous and toxic fruits, He is not saying go ahead eat those too. Allah is All Wise All Knowing AllMighty... He certainly wants one to use their intellect. He certainly uses an example with the fruits not prohibiting, which is another example for the sea creatures.
Thanks Brother Joseph about the fruit comments.. Hopefully that will end the justification of these verses.
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 03:40:02 AM »
Salaam Ismail,
I am certainly not talking about Mercury. I am talking about POISON and TOXINS, the creature has that Allah granted them by creating it in them to protect themselves, not just to sting other creatures to protect themselves. These poisons and toxins are in special tissues or organs that cause harm when eaten. A creature is considered venomous if there are specialized mechanisms to physically deliver the toxins through bites, spines and stings. For example, a pufferfish is poisonous when eaten even when cooked but is not venomous in that it does not bite or sting in order to deliver the toxins present in certain organs in its body. It is Gods creation. He made creatures to have communities like us and some for food... That is all I am saying..
I am certainly not talking about Mercury. I am talking about POISON and TOXINS, the creature has that Allah granted them by creating it in them to protect themselves, not just to sting other creatures to protect themselves. These poisons and toxins are in special tissues or organs that cause harm when eaten. A creature is considered venomous if there are specialized mechanisms to physically deliver the toxins through bites, spines and stings. For example, a pufferfish is poisonous when eaten even when cooked but is not venomous in that it does not bite or sting in order to deliver the toxins present in certain organs in its body. It is Gods creation. He made creatures to have communities like us and some for food... That is all I am saying..
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 03:04:12 AM »
Salaam Ismail,
"Arguments mired with sarcastic remarks will certainly take the sheen out of this site"
How am I being sarcastic? Seriously, think about it... people are going to say, well I want this creature because God, according to ones understanding of Gods verses He is not prohibiting it, so it is lawful. But I would never eat "such and such" not because it is lawful but it might be harmful to me? It goes against justifying what the overall message of what God is saying. God created all things, one does not think that He knows what will be absolutely toxic and deadly to the humans if consumed? I think not.. We are talking about Almighty, All Wise. That is why one should ponder and think about it from every angle.
So please tell me how I am being sarcastic? Please enlighten me with what I said?
"Arguments mired with sarcastic remarks will certainly take the sheen out of this site"
How am I being sarcastic? Seriously, think about it... people are going to say, well I want this creature because God, according to ones understanding of Gods verses He is not prohibiting it, so it is lawful. But I would never eat "such and such" not because it is lawful but it might be harmful to me? It goes against justifying what the overall message of what God is saying. God created all things, one does not think that He knows what will be absolutely toxic and deadly to the humans if consumed? I think not.. We are talking about Almighty, All Wise. That is why one should ponder and think about it from every angle.
So please tell me how I am being sarcastic? Please enlighten me with what I said?
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 03, 2014, 02:24:47 AM »
Salaam Nura,
I would like you to listen to Verse 6:141 in Arabic. God is saying ya min anami and hamūlatan.
Than these words, mutashābihan /waghayra/mutashābihin repeated again, these words Allah is talking about Fruit. Now compare that about the animals. BJ already laid out the words on bahimatu l'anaami. FOCUS on the word “ḥamūlatan” Than what BJ wrote will make sense hopefully. This is the only way for those who are so focused on the grazing word to understand it when it is listened to when recited in Arabic. I say listen to these in Arabic because there are many arabic words that have no english meaning, so some are guessed on given the sentance.
Again, you are justifying stuff because Allah hasn't spelled it out to you. Sea creatures, I still stand to what I said earlier. There is something in the Quran still that will link to several verses about pacific things out of the sea for food consumption. Although BJ, put down it is any, we just need to connect the dots to something in the Quran that is more clearier to why certain sea creatures.
To me anyways, there are MANY creatures in the sea that are POISONOUS; I find it impossible for Allah to tell us to eat stuff that will cause Kidney Failure even if the creature is cooked. This is not me saying this, but medical fact of many cases that happened. There are a chance one will get us paralyzed, severe nerve damage and so on.. HARMFUL!! Puffer Fish for example will cause you and HAS caused paralysis and eventually, death. Are you saying that our Merciful God who created these sea creatures being poisonous and deadly evolved different types of predatory and defensive mechanisms in order to survive themselves that He is going to tell us to eat such and have harmful consequences? People 1400 years ago when the Quran was revealed do not have the means to know what is poisonous and what is not; it is not mentioned in the Quran. When Allah says He provides what is good for you and pure He certainly is not talking about Poisonous creatures He created. So is Allah contradicting Himself when He says He provides what is good for us? I do not think so, one must use their brain. The sea is full of snakes that only live in the sea. Is Allah saying one can eat that too?
I can list you hundreds of creatures from the sea and land that even if you cook them, they still will cause extreme medical harm and even kill you, many people have died or are living with severe medical issues that has inflicted their entire life and it is irreversible and permanent, because on consuming some creatures from the sea. Do you think God does not know this but He is telling us to eat what we want from the sea? It does not make logic sense. God will not do this, it is like giving someone a loaded gun, with one bullet in it and telling them to pull the trigger and there are chances you will get the bullet that is in there or not when you pull the trigger. God is too merciful and just and will not do that. To me anyways it makes no sense. I do not say this because I am an animal lover, I cannot prohibit stuff or say Allah said it is prohibited when He does not, but there is certainly more in the Quran we have not found when it comes to the Sea creatures. You mention sea weeds (great for facials btw, lol) but you know how much fungus weeds, among many other plants that live down in the sea that will kill you within minutes after you consume it? So did Allah mean everything in the sea knowing what He created down there will kill you? Is Allah trying to trick us and make us die after He tells us go ahead the sea it is open for everything? How would the people way before the Quran was revealed know that some of these creatures will kill them if they consumed them? How would the people know this when the Quran was first revealed? They certainly did not. Why would Allah say such and contradict himself on wanting what is good for us?
taʾkulūna laḥman ṭariyyan
In verse 35:12 and other verses, it is some fresh tender meat. How can a poisonous creature be fresh tender meat? It is suppose to be good for us right? So how is that so? Does God have to spell it out for us or it is considered lawful? People are arrogant to understand that Allah does not have to spell everything out; it does not mean it is lawful. God tells us throughout the Quran to use our intellect. Therefore as for me, it makes no logic sense. Knowing the God I love and respect above all things, He would never do that to His servants. As Allah says in many verses, 31:27 And if all the trees in the earth were pens, and the sea, with seven more seas to help it, were ink, the words of Allah could not be exhausted. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise. Same thing with verse 18:109. I wonder how confused people would be if He sent more books with the Quran? They still would justify things and not understand.
I seriously can careless what people do, but understand what God is saying instead of saying He is saying this and that. If one is unsure, we can guess but that leads to confusion and causing people to do things that God is not allowing. One needs to study and ponder on what God is saying. It is one HUGE do’s and don’ts, that all meets in the middle on every subject. Each verse in the Quran is so filled with knowledge and compacted in little few words for some and more for others to get the message out.
I would like you to listen to Verse 6:141 in Arabic. God is saying ya min anami and hamūlatan.
Than these words, mutashābihan /waghayra/mutashābihin repeated again, these words Allah is talking about Fruit. Now compare that about the animals. BJ already laid out the words on bahimatu l'anaami. FOCUS on the word “ḥamūlatan” Than what BJ wrote will make sense hopefully. This is the only way for those who are so focused on the grazing word to understand it when it is listened to when recited in Arabic. I say listen to these in Arabic because there are many arabic words that have no english meaning, so some are guessed on given the sentance.
Again, you are justifying stuff because Allah hasn't spelled it out to you. Sea creatures, I still stand to what I said earlier. There is something in the Quran still that will link to several verses about pacific things out of the sea for food consumption. Although BJ, put down it is any, we just need to connect the dots to something in the Quran that is more clearier to why certain sea creatures.
To me anyways, there are MANY creatures in the sea that are POISONOUS; I find it impossible for Allah to tell us to eat stuff that will cause Kidney Failure even if the creature is cooked. This is not me saying this, but medical fact of many cases that happened. There are a chance one will get us paralyzed, severe nerve damage and so on.. HARMFUL!! Puffer Fish for example will cause you and HAS caused paralysis and eventually, death. Are you saying that our Merciful God who created these sea creatures being poisonous and deadly evolved different types of predatory and defensive mechanisms in order to survive themselves that He is going to tell us to eat such and have harmful consequences? People 1400 years ago when the Quran was revealed do not have the means to know what is poisonous and what is not; it is not mentioned in the Quran. When Allah says He provides what is good for you and pure He certainly is not talking about Poisonous creatures He created. So is Allah contradicting Himself when He says He provides what is good for us? I do not think so, one must use their brain. The sea is full of snakes that only live in the sea. Is Allah saying one can eat that too?
I can list you hundreds of creatures from the sea and land that even if you cook them, they still will cause extreme medical harm and even kill you, many people have died or are living with severe medical issues that has inflicted their entire life and it is irreversible and permanent, because on consuming some creatures from the sea. Do you think God does not know this but He is telling us to eat what we want from the sea? It does not make logic sense. God will not do this, it is like giving someone a loaded gun, with one bullet in it and telling them to pull the trigger and there are chances you will get the bullet that is in there or not when you pull the trigger. God is too merciful and just and will not do that. To me anyways it makes no sense. I do not say this because I am an animal lover, I cannot prohibit stuff or say Allah said it is prohibited when He does not, but there is certainly more in the Quran we have not found when it comes to the Sea creatures. You mention sea weeds (great for facials btw, lol) but you know how much fungus weeds, among many other plants that live down in the sea that will kill you within minutes after you consume it? So did Allah mean everything in the sea knowing what He created down there will kill you? Is Allah trying to trick us and make us die after He tells us go ahead the sea it is open for everything? How would the people way before the Quran was revealed know that some of these creatures will kill them if they consumed them? How would the people know this when the Quran was first revealed? They certainly did not. Why would Allah say such and contradict himself on wanting what is good for us?
taʾkulūna laḥman ṭariyyan
In verse 35:12 and other verses, it is some fresh tender meat. How can a poisonous creature be fresh tender meat? It is suppose to be good for us right? So how is that so? Does God have to spell it out for us or it is considered lawful? People are arrogant to understand that Allah does not have to spell everything out; it does not mean it is lawful. God tells us throughout the Quran to use our intellect. Therefore as for me, it makes no logic sense. Knowing the God I love and respect above all things, He would never do that to His servants. As Allah says in many verses, 31:27 And if all the trees in the earth were pens, and the sea, with seven more seas to help it, were ink, the words of Allah could not be exhausted. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise. Same thing with verse 18:109. I wonder how confused people would be if He sent more books with the Quran? They still would justify things and not understand.
I seriously can careless what people do, but understand what God is saying instead of saying He is saying this and that. If one is unsure, we can guess but that leads to confusion and causing people to do things that God is not allowing. One needs to study and ponder on what God is saying. It is one HUGE do’s and don’ts, that all meets in the middle on every subject. Each verse in the Quran is so filled with knowledge and compacted in little few words for some and more for others to get the message out.
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General Discussions / Re: Wine in the Quran
« on: February 02, 2014, 10:26:22 PM »
Salaam Deliverance,
I was not refering about you about the 72 virgins...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdI2lK_PDg
I was not refering about you about the 72 virgins...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdI2lK_PDg
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General Discussions / Ya’juj and Ma’juj
« on: February 02, 2014, 02:44:39 PM »
Salaam Broth Joseph,
Have you been able to dicicher anything about Ya’juj and Ma’juj?
They are also mentioned in the Bible.
I was told stories about them when I was little, but I do not believe those stories.
Have you been able to dicicher anything about Ya’juj and Ma’juj?
They are also mentioned in the Bible.
I was told stories about them when I was little, but I do not believe those stories.
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General Discussions / Re: Critique - DOES THE QURAN ALLOW ... DOGS, CATS, RATS ETC? by Arman Aziz
« on: February 02, 2014, 01:20:47 PM »
Allah esayid marato Ismail.. 
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General Discussions / Bahhhhhh
« on: February 02, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
Salaam Ismail....
Do you want me to send you the verse with audio of the QURAN reciting it?
I am very very HAPPY to tell you BJ got it RIGHT in his comments on this forum and his writings. I declare that the truth has reached you.. It is between Allah and you now.. Now you know..... You are doing the same thing as you did for the 4 wives. This is not heaven on earth you know... It is not about who is right or wrong.. It is about F A C T S IN ALLAH'S O W N W O R D S!
Do you want me to send you the verse with audio of the QURAN reciting it?
I am very very HAPPY to tell you BJ got it RIGHT in his comments on this forum and his writings. I declare that the truth has reached you.. It is between Allah and you now.. Now you know..... You are doing the same thing as you did for the 4 wives. This is not heaven on earth you know... It is not about who is right or wrong.. It is about F A C T S IN ALLAH'S O W N W O R D S!