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General Discussions / Schuaib the father in law of Musa?

« on: March 09, 2012, 04:08:06 AM »

salamu aleikum to all
My daughter is in the school in Qur'an by Surah al Quasas. she has test next week and showed me her preparations. There they learn that  Shu'ayb is the father in law of Moses. I always thought it was Yethro (AT)? I can not remember, so now quickly that Shu'ayb declared somewhere in the Koran as Musa's father in law?From where they get that ?Thanks for clarification. salaam

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General Discussions / about sura74

« on: February 23, 2012, 10:37:14 PM »

salamu aleikum all! crossroad i see an article from monotheist group about the mention from computer in sura 74. an interested approach.here a part from the article:(for the complete article seehttp://hanif.de/?p=2513

The day as an era
The Quran tells us of various eras which are defined as "days". We are also told that a day with God is 1000 years of our time reckoning.
Sura 74 refers to the beginning of such a new era that will occur in the future and in which the people are reminded once again (... This is a reminder for the people [74:31]) . Our ancestors could not imagine what will happen in our time. They understood that the time mentioned in verses 74:8-9 is the "Day of Resurrection" and therefore they associated this verse with other verses which describe "blowing the horn" (see verses) and claimed that the situation in 74:8-9 is the same, though verse 74:8 contains completely different terms. Let us make a comparison with 50:20 concerning the terms, the shape, the pronunciation and the meaning:
ونفخ فى الصور
Wa-NoFeKha FY AL-SOUR
And blown (is) in the Horn
And here are the terms which we find in verse 74:8, so everyone sees that they have nothing to do with the previous ones:
فإذا نقر فى الناقور
Fa-IZA NoQeRa FY AL NAQOuR
Then, when (it is) clicked in the clicking device
 
"Click" and "clicking device"
The root نقر [NaQaRa] in verse 74:8 has the following meanings: to tap slightly, to pick, to click, to chop, to hack, to chisel (a stone). According to the dictionary of E.W. Lane the term is also used to describe the sound that occurs when snapping with the fingers. The Arabs mainly used the verb to define the light tapping with the finger on a surface or to describe the sound a bird produces with its beak. Therefore the beak of a bird is called منقار [MeNQAR], which derives from the same root. نقار الخشب [NaQAR AL-Khashab] denotes a woodpecker, تناقر [TaNAQaRa] to pick at each other. At the present time the verb is used on most Arabic websites as "to click" like in the following examples:
أنقر هنا [ONQoR hona] Click here
نقر الكلمة [NaQaRa AL KaLeMaH] He clicked on the word.
نقر أزرار اللوحة [NaQaRa AZRAR ALLaWHaH] He clicked the buttons of the keyboard
The second word ناقور [NAQOuR] has the same root like the verb that we previously mentioned. Based on an Arabic grammar rule any verb can be changed from its root form in order to describe a machine / tool / system by using an alif أ (A) after the first letter of the root and a  و waw (Ou) after the second letter:
فعل [FaÁaLa] to make فاعول [FAÓOuL] maker
حسب [HaSaBa] to compute, حاسوب [HASOuB] computer
فرق [faraqa] to divide, فاروق [Farouq] divider (among other things the sword is denoted by this word )
قنن [QaNaNa] to collect قانون [Qanoun] compilation, legislation
معن [MaÁaNa] to help, to aid ماعون [MAÓOuN] help system, aid agency
 
Exactly the same rule is applied for the second word in verse 74:8 that describes a device or system in or on which users can click certain things.

In fact I have never noticed that we mostly make clicks on the computer in order to gather information or process it. We click the keys, click the links that lead us to other pages or click buttons that perform specific functions. For most people the computer is nothing more than a clicking device, the clicks of which open or close worlds for us.

For these reasons we have translated verse (74: in this form:
74:8 Then, when it is clicked in the clicking device
 
A difficult time for the disbelievers
The proximate verses (74:9-10) declare that this time (computer or information age) is a difficult time for those who deny the Quran. The disbelievers will be confronted with their lies. They will not have an easy time (74:10), nor will they be able to convince anyone concerning their claims because they lack evidence. People from all over the world will unite under the slogan of truth and lead a campaign against them, so that they behave like frightened donkeys (74:50) which are upset (74:51)"

This translation is interesting. however, I have a question to the point: it is also said that the word Saqar means not hellfire but rather the mental state of punishment for those who deny the 19 miracle. However, if this is so, so we'll see at the end of Sura, that those coming into the Saqar:
not pray, do not feed the needy, to commit sins, deny the Day of Judgment. (74.42-47)
here nothing about 19 or numbers or "addad"

Another question:

74.32 What the moon has to do with the wonders of nineteen? The moon seems to me like the other signs of Allah to be here to reflect on the creation of the earth and the sky and is therefore good for swearing. Does this not tend to a universal condition here: the belief in Allah and His Book, etc. and not the miracle 19.

I am very divided because of the 19. One hand, I think that the book of God has a code, but rather take it easy for knowledge and be amazed if anyone finds out again more results. A  miracle more to see how great is Allah. But to justify the change  of the book by removing two verses ,this seems to me to abuse the wonder and to become a  Fitna ...
im confused...
thank you for share your thoughts!

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General Discussions / islamic funeral

« on: February 22, 2012, 11:58:20 PM »

Salamu aleikum
because my father in law has just died recently, I was faced with quite a few customs and rituals that have nothing to with the Quran in my view,. For example:
-3 Days mourning, common 'sit' of relatives, neighbors and friends in the house of the deceased,
- Engage a Sheikh to recites Quran for the deceased ('sit' in a specially rented tent, visitors also there)
-The Prohibition, for three days to turn on the TV, except the Koran
(Some say 40 days, according to other Ahadith)
-the Wash of the deceased and the white cloth
-Burying in  the direction of Mecca
-Acquaintance in the streets, so that as much as possible come to pray for the dead , so the 40 people reached (after hadith: a  person is awarded if 40 people accompanied the funeral procession)
-Women are not allowed at the funeral and makruh in the mosque
-Prayer for the Dead

All these things are not in the Koran but only removed from the secondary sources. Really is almost nothing about the death, or what is done afterwards.  is now someone who follows these traditions, guilty of  Shirk ?
the three-day-sit is about no  expression of real grief, it's just social norm / almost hypocrisy of some.

certain issues I care most:

1. is it allowed according to Islam, to cremate a person? or is the verse where Allah says, "Bani Adam comes from the earth and you go to her back" an order to  buried the body  in the earth? If you ask a Sunni it is clear that he will say, the body should be in the grave, as the two angels comes and ask you  the famous questions ..
2.is it permissible to pray for not believers (if you are not sure whether they believed or not) for forgiveness? I mean, Allah says that one should not pray for disbelievers, even if you pray for forgiveness 70 times, Allah would not accept  it. If I  pray, however, this is not a mistake or disobedience?
3. Can we or should we go in cemeteries, visiting the graves of the deceased, as a reminder, also specifically Christian? (Forbidden in Sunni Islam)
4. And I also think the legacy of a "non muslims" is allowed, right? Here, too, can be found in Sunni Islam strictly prohibits accepting such a legacy, it may not even be used as Sadaqa. I find this totally stupid  (sorry) i.e. so: rather let the hungry die , instead  to accept  some money  from Christians or nonbelievers !

Sorre for the long post, but it makes one think ...

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General Discussions / hunting forbidden in ihram or in the sacred for months

« on: February 20, 2012, 01:36:56 AM »

salamu aleikum
a question in my mind for some time:

NO HUNTING

 005:001 (part)
"... game being unlawful when you are on the pilgrimage (state of ihram) ..."
 
005:095 (part)
"O ye who believe! Kill no wild game while ye are on the pilgrimage (state of ihram) ..."
 
005 096
"To hunt and to eat the fish of the sea is made lawful for you, a commission for you and for those who travel, but to hunt on land is forbidden you so long as ye are on the pilgrimage (state of ihram) And. be conscious of your duty to God, to Whom you will be gathered "

 Is the "state of ihram" mentioned herea meant (as in traditional translation)  the state of the Hajj pilgrims, i.e. in connection with the region of the Hagg. Or is "ihram" meant as a general term that refers to the four "haram months," and must be adhered to worldwide (already time for the game)
The answer depends on whether we assume that the introduction of the Islamic lunar calendar is a new feature that has been established after the death of the Prophet or not.
The question is superfluous, if we take the tradtitionel view as fact.

I've read a little about the calendars, etc. and found that a study has concluded that the lunar calendar was introduced only after the death of the Prophet.
(However, this study was to verify the hadith to their assertions, i.e. They studied the data of  traditions and counted them back. They found that most of the traditions, if they were back-calculated by the lunar calendar, making seasonal completely false information, if they were, however, calculated back to the pre-Islamic calendar, the seasonal data in most cases precise matched. Now  the only question is, I accept the results of this study now as a Qur'anic approach or not?)
 if yes, this means that the times have Hagges of the year did not originally moved and then the four sacred months are every year about the same time, the question would remain whether they require a general ban on hunting for the conservation of wildlife? For me, both scenarios sound logical.
salam 

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General Discussions / not menses but war`?

« on: February 19, 2012, 11:55:14 PM »

salamu aleikum
 i read a question in an other forum about Vers 2.221 about the menses . One from the answers was:


Quote:  The verse 2- 221 has a word محیض, it is اسم الظرف and the paradigm is مفعل . The meaning of the word can not be menses , The word for menses is حیض then why instead of حیض the word محیض is used.

the word محیض means the place or the time or the target of حیض one of the meaning of حیض is menses while meanings are blood like material coming out of the stem acacia tree (حا ض شجرالشمر), Water flows (حیض ٰالماء). So the meaning of محیض is place or time when blood or water flows . Now keeping in view the context of war the simple meanings are the time or place of war .

Other objection to the usual translation is the answer to the query about محیض the answer is painful. This answer is not correct about menses. Its only painful or disturbing to some ladies. This statement can not be taken categorical for all ladies. Hence It is again to be interpreted as condition of war.

Hence فاعتزلوا النسا ء never means keep yourself away from ladies but here it again means keep yourself away from the oppressed or weak people till they have cleared of the wrong thoughts and ideas. Once they are pure according to Quranic teachings then you may come to them according to the orders of Quran. Because God loves those who return to the right path and purifies.


the first time i see a such interpretation. My understanding of this verse is that the time or the place of the outflowing blood is meant. This is a violation because the uterus is not closed. So if a couple had sexual contact during that time, this could have direct consequences for the woman, as bacteria or viruses etc. penetrate freely into the uterus and could cause infections there. Thus, the commandment is not to approach the women in this time, a logical and rational arrangement of God and has nothing to do with war.
What do you think?

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General Discussions / question about 2.187

« on: February 12, 2012, 02:50:29 AM »

salamu aleikum

To this day I was convinced that the Masjid means mosque. Well, I stumbled upon this verse.If Masajid is translated here as a mosque, the verse is absolutely no sense ... can anyone help me?

2:187 Lawful for you in the night of the abstinence/fast is sexual approach to your women, they are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray/deceive yourselves so He turned towards you and He forgave you; so now approach them and seek what God has decreed/written for you. And you may eat and drink until becomes distinct the white thread, from the black thread, of dawn. Then you shall complete the abstinence/fast until the night, and do not approach them while you are devoting/staying in the maSaJiD /. These are God's boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous.

This implies wives could theoretically be approached by husbands in the masajid!if one takes masajid=mosques , why even mention mosques, when there is much greater chance of sexual temptation in the homes? The traditional commentators have an explanation for this: Jalalayn says this is referring to 'itikaf'

or  points the word "(approach) THEM" to " eat and drink" and we should not approach them (we should not eat and drink) when we are in the mosque?
thanks and salam

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General Discussions / no miracles at all

« on: January 07, 2012, 06:45:55 AM »

dear brother and sisters
I am a little confused. I've always believed that miracles were confirmed in the Bible and in the Quran ( the virginal conception of Mary and the miracles of Moses and Jesus- peace be upon them all). Yesterday I came across an article that  denies everything.
http://quraniceducationandresearch.com/doc/Miracle.htm

The presentation seems to me logically on one hand, but since I first mastered the Arabic language not perfectly, and secondly, the English not well, I would be glad, I'd get more opinions on this topic. Thank you all for your help.salam

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General Discussions / Iblis a angel/Jinn a proper name?

« on: January 03, 2012, 08:05:32 PM »

dear brothers and sisters in Islam
Whenever I read the post about the two angles and the magic, a old question come to my mind. I hope I will not make you upset. But we are here to share and learn, and I have no one else, who listens to me, so you all  have to suffer from me ...
Was Iblis now a Angel and the Ginn is not a proper Name?
below the verses where Iblis is mentioned:

2:30
And He taught Adam all the names. he laid them before the angels and said: "Share with me your name if you are truthful."
He said: ". Adam, share them with their names," as he had told them their names, He said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I also know what it reveals and conceal it.
And when we said to the angels, "prostrate yourselves before Adam." As they prostrated except Iblis. He refused and behaved arrogantly and was one of the ingrates.
And we said, "Adam, Dwell you and your wife in this garden and eat plenty of it, even as you wish. But do not approach this tree, or ye be of the unjust. "
But Satan fall from it, and caused them to depart from that in which they had been. We said, "go away. Some of you are hostile to the other. And on the earth you shall stay and provision for a time. "

7:11-28
And yes, we have created you, then we have formed you, completed (given knowledge). Then we said to the angels: "Prostrate before Adam." Then they threw down except Iblis, he was not one to prostrate themselves.
He said: "What made you deter you from prostrating when I commanded you" He said: "I'm better than him, You created me from fire and him You created from clay.
He said: "so go away from him. It is not for you, is to be arrogant. So go out. Certainly you are one of the disdained.
He said: "Give me respite until the day on which they are raised.
...
Then Satan whispered to them, to show them open, which was hidden by her nakedness. And he said: "Your Lord has forbidden you this tree only lest ye should become angels or one of the Everliving."
And he swore to them: "I belong to those truly give you good advice."
He seduced her deceptive. When they had then tasted of the tree, their nakedness appeared to them and obviously they began zusammenzuheften.Und leaves of the garden to be called their Lord to them, "Have I not forbidden you this tree and said:" The Satan is an avowed enemy? "
They said: 'Our Lord we have wronged ourselves and if you do not forgive us and have mercy, we are determined to be the losers.
He said: "Go away!" One is the other enemy. And on the earth you shall stay and have provision for a time.

15:28 - 42
And when thy Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a human being from dried clay of black smooth mud.
If I have rightly shaped it and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down before him, and subdue it.
It threw down all the angels.
Except Iblis, he refused to bow down to be with each other.
He said: "Iblis what is with you, that you're not with those who prostrate themselves?"
He said: "I can not possibly bow down before a Being that you are made of dry clay, creating from black mud ."
He said, "then go out from him, for you are worthy of stoning.
And the curse is on thee till the Day of Judgement. "
He said: "My Lord, respite me until the day they are raised.
---
And when we said to the angels, "prostrate yourselves before Adam." As they prostrated themselves except Iblis. he said: "Shall I prostrate to one whom You created from clay?

18:50
And when we said to the angels, "prostrate yourselves before Adam. "As they prostrated except Iblis, he was one of the jinn. He sins against the commandment of his Lord. Will you take for him and his progeny as protectors rather than my, but you where they are enemy - a worse replacement for the unrighteous.

20:115-124
And we had previously imposed an obligation Adam. But he forgot, and we found him at no determination.
And when We said to the angels: "Prostrate before Adam." As they prostrated except Iblis. He refused.
As we said, "Adam, this is you and your wife certainly an enemy. Yes you both that he does not distribute out of the garden. Otherwise you'll be unhappy.
Certainly, it is granted to you is that you're not hungry therein nor naked;
and the fact that you suffer neither thirst nor heat of the sun. "
But as one of Satan whispered to him and said: "Adam, I want you to point to the tree of immortality and a rule that does not pass?"

36:60
Did I, not as an obligation imposed on children of Adam, that ye shall not serve Satan - certainly he is to you a clear enemy.
And that you shall serve me? That is a straight path.

38:67
Say: It is a huge customer, you turn away from you.
I had no knowledge about the highest leadership group, as they disputed.
I entered so I am only a plain warner.
When thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a human being from clay.
If I have rightly shaped it and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him, and subdue it.
Since the angel threw down all together, except Iblis, he behaved arrogantly and was among the unbelievers.
He said: "Iblis, what prevented you, bow down before thee that which I create with my hands?you feel proud or are you one example to the rank of chief?
He said: "I'm better than him. you created me from fire, whereas you created him from clay.
He said: "Then go out from him, for you are worthy of stoning.
And certainly, my curse on thee till the Day of Judgement.
He said: "My Lord, grant me respite till the Day they are raised.

and about the Jinn:
51:56 / 57
And I have not created the jinn and humans only reason that they may serve me. I want neither of them nor will I care that they feed me.


To sum up:
-God orders the angels to prostrate themselves before Adam and his knowledge
-All the angels obeyed, not only Iblis. He refuses.This seems, that Iblis was an angel or by the angels
- Angels have free will, can be desobedient.("see, you were not there when the rank of chief quarrel. The same wording is found in Sura Al Imran, to mean the angels who were arguing about who was to make of them to Mary.)
- there is only one verse (18.50) where Allah speaks from Iblis, that he was one from the Ginn
- Iblis is called "the hiding of something"=Ginn - God speaks to him by that name, as will be apparent disobedience-(he is hiding  his faith)
-Iblis was arrogant. Because of his disobedience, he must go down on earth, He and the angels who followed him.
- Ginn is a synonym for obscurity hides. Ginn called so disobedient angels.? Iblis is the first to have kept his true nature hidden. He was the leader. He was the father of the jinn, as Adam was the progenitor of the people.
-After the repudiation of the sky, he is called Satan. Shaytan in Arabic means the one who burns. Now, he is cursed.
-God then sends all the jinn and humans on the earth. each another enemy. However, they can receive guidance.
-Ginn( Iblis followers) share views and despise the people. they can assume human form and can be beautiful creatures. Therefore, they lead many astray, because humans think: Beautiful=good=Angel=good
-Ginn may be rightly guided.
-Ginn, when they are really  angels,are  immortal, unlike humans. Therefore, Satan is always talking about " the day, if they are arise. The Ginn not. They will be only juged.
- There are those who have to guide through the book of God, and others which remain in disbelief and go to hell. The angels who obey God, have never ever put her at risk.

thank you for your help in this matter. salamu aleikum

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Islamic Duties / sacrifice

« on: January 03, 2012, 05:14:04 PM »

dear sisters and brothers
I've done pretty much about the battles and shafts, and the absolute cruelty of mankind, when it comes to animals. Not only as meat consumers, but also as a creatures, as living beings. I came across a statement that Godused "sacrifice" (the  negative meaning  in the sense of sacrifice and today's pre-Islamic massacre)  in contrast to the expression of meaningful killing, which means also a victim of Islam. The starting point was the article on the slaughter of brother Joseph.
Here are my thoughts in line of the article:

Is 'Thakaytum' a synonym of 'Thiba / Ziba?'

005:003
"Forbidden to you is carrion (Arabic: maytatu) and blood (Arabic: damu) and the meat of the pig (Arabic: walahmu lkhanziri) and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of God, and the animal that has been stifled is beaten or death (Arabic: mawqudhatu) or killed by a fall or by horns blow or by a predator broken, except that which ye have slaughtered (Arabic: Thakaytum), while it was still alive, and forbidden to you is all that was slaughtered on the altars Götzendiesstes.. (Arabic: Thubiha) And you is not allowed to seek to discover through divination what the future may hold for you, this is sinful Verhalten.Heute have those who are bent on denying the truth All hope lost respect your religion turns out not because they respect, but I have respect for mir.Heute vervollkommet your religious law for you, and have given the full measure of my blessings and willed that Selbstergebung shall be your religion in what I am. However, the terms, driven by extreme hardship and not by an inclination to sin, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

- Thakaytum: root: DHAL / KAF-THAL-WAW
- in classical Arabic dictionaries equated with designation battles to life in a certain shape to finish, exclusive of other  forms.
- It does not address a particular form. It is clear that the word thakaytum a permitted type of killing is contrary to Thiba, which describes the killing of more than victims.
- But I wonder, why then has God made this difference we see in the top line? God uses each word very precisely, he uses every word exactly what we can look at many different locations. It raises the question why he has done it here too?


where the word 'Thiba' or  his compositions was used in the Koran?

Thiba / Ziba root: DHAL / THAL-BA-HA; divide to sacrifice his throat cut, slaughter, massacre, slaughter in a large number, the ritual slaughter

The Quran gives us an example by seeing how the word "thiba" was used. In  Sura Al Baqara we see, that this was a order from God, the people however, always ask for more details until it was extremely difficult for them to find another suitable cow.
The word Thiba is used here to describe a required slaughter of God.o

Battles versus victims

2.67
And behold, Moses said to his people: Behold, God commands you to sacrifice a cow. (Arabic: Tadhbahu root: TH-BA-HA) They said: Did you spot us about? He answered: I seek refuge with God not to be so ignorant. ...

2:71
Moses replied: Behold, he says it should be a cow, not further prepared to plow the soil or to irrigate the crop, flawless, without drawing in any other color. They said: Finally your gerau brought the truth, and then sacrificed (Arabic: Thabahu - root: TH-BA-HA), they, although they had almost left undone. "

- God demands the sacrifice
- probably refers to a Mosaic law, which prescribes to slaughter a cow in an unsolved murder.
  This law is found in the Old Testament: Deut.21.1-9
--It is a command to be executed
 -it is a victim not for food

27.20/21
And one day he looked in vain for one of the birds, and so he said: how is it that I do not see the hoopoe? Or he could be among the absentees?
If this should be so, I will punish him very severely or kill him (Arabic thabahu), unless he brings me a convincing excuse

 -The question arises whether a prophet of God would kill a bird just because he was not present?
 -It seems not to be a literal  act, rather then allegoric . This is also the opinion of many Koranic commentators (Ex. Muhammad Asad)
 -The word here is  clearly seen not in the context of food, hunger
 -used negatively, as a threat, senseless act

37 102
And one day when the child was old enough to become to be part of his (father's) efforts, the latter said: O my dear son, I've seen in a dream that I offer you (Arabic: athabahuk) should: consider the matter, what would be your view. He said: O my father, do as you commanded, you will find me, hen God wills it, found among those who are patient in adversity.

-Also here is the word used to describe a  sacrifice, what was ordered from God.
-Abraham thought it was prescribed by God
-No association with hunger or food profits
- clear audit
-negative

37 107
And we ransomed him with a huge sacrifice (Arabic: bithibh azim)

Also here is the redemption of the victim pointed to the cult: it is about the fulfillment of a requirement
the victim has nothing to do with food production.

2:49
And remember the time when we rescued you from Pharaoh's people who afflicted you with gray samee suffering by slaughtering your sons (Arabic: juthabihuna) and spared your women, what a terrible test was possible from your Sustainer. (See also 14.6, 28.4)

-the word is used here to describe a massacre.
-Clearly negative
-senseless bloodshed
-is called a test

Due to the real sacrifice

22:27
So you proclaim to all people the pilgrimage. They will come unto thee on foot and on every type of fast steed, far Removed from any point on earth coming
22:28
to learn that they like a lot of what they will be useful. And that they may glorify God's name on appointed days over which the cattle may have always provided them with it. Then eat thereof and feed the poor, unfortunate
 First Because of the pilgrimage connected with the "sacrifice"
 Second the self-sacrifice for the cause of God (righteousness, peace, kindness, donations) is in the foreground
 Third here the "new" victim explains:
 
- It is sacrificed in order to say thank you
- In order to present the life and death of his
- To remember God and all life is death of him
- To be aware of the importance of life: it is not easy
  mindlessly kill, slaughter, but deliberately "sacrifice" to bring it in
  The name of God to slaughter and most important:
- You may eat thereof and must feed the poor

 - the senseless sacrifice of pre-Islamic period is replaced by meaningful victims, not to get something, but to give.


Place of the real sacrifice

22:34
And every community we have determined an act of worship, that they may glorify the name of God over what goes wrong with cattle He may have supplied. And your God is the One and Only God, why surrender to him, and tell you the good news to all who are humble
22:35
all those whose hearts tremble with awe whenever God called, and all those who patiently endure whatever of evil befalls them, and all those who continually perform the prayer and spend on others of what we prepare for them as supply.
22:36
And as for the victims of cattle (Arabic: Bud'na), we have prescribed it for you as one of the symbols erected by God, where is good for you. So glorify the name of God over them when they are lined up, and after she fell lifeless to the ground, eat of their flesh and feed the poor, who is content with his lot, as well as the one who is forced to beg. It is to this end that we have made to serve you, your needs, so that you may you have reason to be grateful.
22:37
But keep in mind: never reached their meat nor their blood God: it is only your awareness of God, which reaches him. It is to this end that we have made it subservient to your needs, so that God may you praise her for all the guidance, with which he has blessed you. And you proclaim these glad tidings to those who do good.

- Here it becomes clear where the "new" victims may be performed as a ritual: only on the pilgrimage. The battles at home is not supported by the Koran
- The point is mentioned again: to be aware, one of the gifts of God and the gift of life is senseless killing of God as sacrilege (no slaughtering of sacrificial altars) sentenced
- The victim as a symbol of life and care: There must be killed-one killing of an animal for food without eating it or feeding the poor is not allowed
-The reference to the flesh and blood is very important: it shows us that the custom of sacrifice to achieve something (forgive sin, blood sacrifice, to sacrifice truth commitments, Mosaic sacrifices, killing for no reason) is abolished!

The concept of sacrifice in the Koran

3.183 fire victims abolished

As for those who say: behold, God has commanded us not to believe in any Messenger unless he comes to us with burnt offerings, say: Even in front of me are you messengers came with all evidence of truth, and even with what you say, why did you kill them, if what you say is true?

-The Jews knew the atoning sacrific,e the burnt offering and the sacrifice of law which has been mentioned in Surah al Baqara. They did want separate from their ancient laws and accepted no prophet, who promised them relief


4.66 Selfsacrifice is required / human sacrifice just as Selfsacrifice

But if we prescribe for them: Give up your life, or leave your homes, very few of them would do it - although if they did, to do what they have been admonished, it truly for their own good and would be likely to strengthen them very much.

-Here  is pointed at a human sacrifice: the Selfsacrifice for God and emigrating (Hijra)
-This is a lawful form of "human sacrifice"

5:27 sacrifice of Abel and Cain

And also give them the thruth setting forth the history of the two sons of Adam, how everyone was offering a victim (Arabic: kurbanan) , and it was accepted by one of them, while it was not accepted by the other. And Cain said, I will surely kill thee: but said, behold, God only accepts from those who are aware of his conscious.
 
-It is never actually mentioned a killing, it is only the term "kurbanan", which can be many things, according to the Bible there was a grain offering.
-After the root, it can also be simply  a pious act, a sanctification, must have been something that both brothers have done for God. What ever it was, it was only accepted by one of the two.


Conclusions to th-bh-(thahaba sacrifice) and (slaughter) Thakaytum

-(Sacrifice) the process of TH-B-H refers to a sacrificial rite, as was usual in pre-Islamic times.
-The process that is described  with TH-B-H , always has to do with "wanting"; as sacrificed, either to the gods or God, be pleasing, or something to gain (rain, good harvest, forgiveness, enlightenment, truth)
-TH-B-H has a negative aspect, it also means senseless killing ( the victim is not eaten, but  burnt or frequently drank only the blood or presented to the gods, that it rots ...
- It means also slaughter massacre, bloodbath.

-The term 'Thakaytum' gets the other hand, the importance of killing as it is right. The aspect of food intake is in the foreground.
-The Koran connects the two terms in this way that the ritual sacrifice is aligned with the Thakaytum. The negative aspects (as mentioned above) are eliminated, so that today a victim (Th-h-b) is equated with (thakaytum).
-Thus, the two terms was originally not synonyms, the Islamic Deen but  puts them  on the same stage by rejecting any  meaningless animal sacrifices

thank you all for reading  and sharing your opinions.salamu aleikum!
because i maked this post like always with help from the Google Translate, i'm sorry and for the Verses it will be better, if you read them in a proper translation. (the original is from the German 'die Botschaft des Korans', M.Asad, Edition Patmos )

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Islamic Duties / Slaughter of animals

« on: January 01, 2012, 05:50:30 AM »

Salamu aleikum
I have a question about the slauther. To be halal according to Islam, then the word means in Arabic" Ibah" slaughter.
Opinions differ very much whether the animal is not really suffering.
One side points out that with the cut immediately the nerves are cut to the brain, the other side emphasized that the animal until it bleeds to death,  pain remains. Since God is certainly not advocated torture for me in the room: Is not permitted by the Koran side to stun the animals before? Thank you for your help. peace

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General Discussions / meaning of gumua

« on: December 12, 2011, 05:57:53 AM »

Salamu aleikum to all
I have a question to Friday. in Sura al gumua,the word "gumua"  is jused for a special prayer. Of course, as it is associated with the Friday, even if it means only meeting.
We see that the Christianity  the day "Sunday"(day of the sun) erroneously  as the day of the meeting was accepted.however by the Jews, it is clearly the Sabbath, Sebt in Arabic. But back to my question. Quran was the first-  Gumua as general meeting-, or the name  Friday as Yaum al gumua? It is important to know because we might otherwise have free any day of the week to accept as Yaum al Gumua.
Does the Koran evidence that this community prayer will be held once weekly (this only, if  Gumua not  mean absolutely Friday ) otherwise would be open to the possibility of this community to hold prayer once a month, or yearly?
It all depends on the Friday. Was the name gumua as Fridayin  the time of the Prophet already in use as a Friday or later invented ahaadeeth were to hold the meeting on Friday prayer?
Funnily enough, there is in the magic-literature, an indication that Friday is also sacred, especially to do magic, you should wash or bath and perfume, and then a ram to slaughter under a tree, and call upon the gods. Then to prepare the meal with the victim and ask them what they wanted ....( source book of spells from the Middle Ages)
(i will not seek excuse again for my English, now must be clear that chadiga she speaks originally German and her English is a self-made English...)salam thank you for your help

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General Discussions / cut the hand and the feet

« on: December 09, 2011, 02:01:10 AM »

Salamu aleikum
I need an analysis of verse 5.33, 20.71. Can someone help me? To my understanding, that term can be understood both literally and allegorically. I tend to be allegorical, because I understand alsothe "cutting of the hand for the thieves" in the light of Surah Yusuf . much thanks. Peace be with you

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General Discussions / mooncalender

« on: November 27, 2011, 09:31:40 PM »

Salamu Aleikum

Is compliance with the Islamic lunar calendar year to really as prescribed in the Quran? If we consider the corresponding verses, we see that is clearly defined by the Koran, only the number of months in the year. That for the determination of the monthly beginning the evidence is decisive, is found neither in the Qur'an . It is just mentioned, that the new Moon was instrumental for the determination of the pilgrimage.
Here are the verses:

"Twelve God considers to be the right number of months. It is in the Scriptures of God already in the day that he created heaven and earth, laid down were are these, four are sacred. This is the right religion. Transgressors now in them (the four sacred months) are not you against yourself, and fight all against the heathens, as they fight for their part against you. You must know that God is with those who fear him. The shifts (the calendar order through an intercalary month) is an excess of disbelief . Those who are already on in disbelief, are therefore misled more. you explain the (month) of Muharram in the year (ie in a leap year) for the profane, in another (ie in a normal year) to be sacred to the number of what God has said in months for holy (namely four) to equal (and not about five months to declare holy), and (to the other) to declare profane for what God has declared holy (namely the Muharram) . The evil that they do show themselves in their best light. God does not guide the disbelieving people fairly. " [Quran 9, 36 - 37]

"He (God) is the one who made the sun for brightness (day) and the moon to light (at night) stations and determined for him, so that you know about the number of years and the reckoning of time modest. In succession of day and night and in what God has created in heaven and on earth lie, signs for those who are righteous. " [Quran 10.6]

"The sun and the moon are used for calculation (the time)." (Quran 55.5)
"They ask thee concerning the new moons. Say: They are (by God as a set) fixed times for mankind and for pilgrimage." [Qur'an 2, 189]

It can be interpreted as a sign, if we find mentioned in the Koran is the word Yaum * day * 365 times and the word * Shahr Month 12 times?
Would not it be possible that would be a God-given order as a form of Gregoran calendar that knows no leap months, only a leap Day  in four years? It may not be the pre-Islamic Arabs accused that they had no idea of ​​calendar calculation, on the contrary, they had to rely on a good run-the year custom-Kalender. see also http://www.nabkal.de/islamkalvor.html.
The names of the Arabic months give us also a evidence, so as Ramadan *hot* and Rabia *spring?* , Zu-al-Hijja and Muharram for pilgrimage what took place in the rainfall-period.

Thank you for your help

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General Discussions / One holy month and four holy months

« on: November 27, 2011, 08:27:04 PM »

Salamu aleikum
Why Allah says in the Quran once banned by months (Plural) and the other time from the forbidden month (singular)?

"Twelve God considers to be the right number of months. It is in the Scriptures of God already in the day that he created heaven and earth, laid down were are these, four are sacred. This is the right religion..."(Quran 9, 36)


Holy Month:
"The holy month (serve for retribution) for the holy month!" [Qur'an 2, 194]

"They ask you concerning the sacred month, (namely) then, (if it is allowed) to fight in it. Say: Fighting in it is a serious offense (w. weighs heavy) But (his men) from the path of God holding. - and do not believe in him -. and (believers) from the holy place of worship (holding) and evict the residents thereof, (all) weighs heavier with God and to seduce the attempt (believers of apostasy), weighs heavier than . And kill them (ie the infidels) will not cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion - if they (it) And can those of you who can be (approximately) abandon their religion and (. without having to have turned again) die as an unbeliever, their works are in this world and hereafter lapse. You will be inmates of Hell and (eternal) to dwell therein. Those (but) who believe and those who have emigrated and to God's sake led war (w. struggled) may have hope for the mercy of God. God is Forgiving, Most Merciful. " [Qur'an 2, 217 - 218]

"O you who believe! Not Violating the sanctity of the cult symbols of God (w. ..... Does not explain the cult symbols for God allows), (holiness) of the holy month ....." [Quran 5, 2]

"God has the Kaaba, the sacred house, made for maintenance (?) (W. book) for the people, (and) the holy month ...." [Quran 5, 97]
put
If we take the secondary sources to help, we will find a quick explanation: namely, were separated from, that in pre-Islamic times Umrah and Hajj, Umra took place in the seven month  (Rajab, who was apparently considered sacred and is still considered by orthodox scholars to be one of the four sacred months ) and the pilgrimage took  place at the time of rainfall, in the Winter half year (Zu al Hijjah, Muharram, Safar). If we assume, however, that the pilgrimage was put together  (once per year within four months), then why were the statements of the holy month (singular) still inside the Quran?
Thank you for your help

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General Discussions / Visions of the Future

« on: November 23, 2011, 04:05:00 AM »

Brother Joseph said that Prophet Muhammad-peace be upon him, may have been inspired by dreams. As I come to another question, which really is not about the compilation of the Quran, but employs me  a long time. visions of the future (Ahadith) of Prophet Muhammad are -from the traditional side  declared as "real" dreams. So my question:
1-Are the dreams of the prophets always true?
2-Could emerge as future-visions?
For me it is a paradox, as is clear in the Qur'an that Prophet Muhammad did not know anything about the future. However, dreams are sometimes addressed clearly in the future and also hold true ... (For example, I have my "transgresses" to Islam before dreamed of and also the reaction of my family)