Okay, it seems like Joseph has been getting back up. I'm afraid I can't take all of you on at the same time
I will limit my responses only to what I perceive to be "new" and "related to the topic" points.
I made it clear from the beginning that it was not my intention to prove that the Qur'an teaches seven ahruf. My intention was to only address Joseph's point that the Qur'an clearly teaches that it has only been revealed in one mode. That was my only contention.
You didn't answer my questions. If the other transmissions are not lost and you believe that there are 7 variants, where are they?
Maybe you could google them. Here they are in Arabic
http://altafsir.com/Recitations.asp?LanguageID=1&img=AAlso do you then believe that the prophet, when receiving wahi, learnt 7 different versions of the same Ayah ?
Yeah I do. If you want more elaboration then kindly start another thread so that we don't digress.
This is a forceful view and suggestion from bro Joseph as Allah could have said the Quran was revealed in Arabic and then full stop!!! Why did Allah say "surrounding towns" in 42.7? Wasn't the Quran meant for everyone that spoke Arabic? Why the restriction??
So I do not think any further proof needs to be given as even where I am from the local areas and surrounding areas have a certain dialect but as you go out more from our city, the accent and dialect changes. I think this is a good standard position that bro Joseph takes from a Qurans view. Thank you.
Hi Duster.
It could be because that was the first stage of the Prophet's mission, before going on to warn the rest of the world (34:28).
Some have argued that "Hawlaha" simply means around. There is no comment about the extent. It could be referring to surrounding towns or the entirety of mankind, but Mecca was honored as the center.
The point is... you can't appeal to 42:7 to make a clear case that the Qur'an was revealed in
one dialect. The Qur'an only talks about being revealed in Arabic. Full stop.
So a
positive case can't be made from the Qur'an that it was only revealed in one mode.
If you have any other "new" points, I would be happy to address them.
And if you seriously think that I wasn't able to address Joseph's arguments then you may private message me. I don't want to reinvent the wheel on the thread. Mere re-posting of arguments that were already addressed by me won't attract a response from me.
Thanks,
Bassam