God Testing Humanity: Crystal Clear Approach Suggestions

Started by relearning, January 13, 2025, 09:40:25 PM

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relearning

If a book claims to be of divine origin and is intended for all of humanity, it should indeed be accessible, clear, and verifiable by every individual without the need for intermediaries, historical context, or linguistic expertise or barriers. This is especially critical if the stakes are as high as salvation or eternal consequences.

Accessibility and Clarity:
A divine message intended for all of humanity should be universally accessible and understandable, regardless of language, culture, or historical context. It should not require intermediaries, scholars, or clergy to interpret or explain it.

Self-Verification:
Every individual should be able to verify the authenticity of the message independently, like a "key and lock" mechanism. This would eliminate the need for fallible human intermediaries and ensure that the message is coherent and clear to all.

High Stakes Demand High Clarity:
If the stakes are as high as salvation or eternal consequences, the message must be crystal clear and easily verifiable. Anything less would be unjust, as it would leave people at risk of misunderstanding or being misled by fallible interpreters.

Critique of Current Religious Texts:
Current religious texts, including the Quran, Bible, and Torah, fail to meet these standards. They are deeply tied to historical and cultural contexts, require interpretation by fallible humans, and are not universally accessible or verifiable.

an honest and sincere email to God:

Subject: A Humble Request for Clarity and Accessibility in Divine Messages

Dear God,

If You exist and have sent divine messages to humanity, I humbly request that You consider the following:

Universal Accessibility:
A divine message intended for all of humanity should be accessible to every individual, regardless of language, culture, or historical context. It should not require intermediaries, scholars, or clergy to interpret or explain it.

Self-Verification:
Every person should be able to verify the authenticity of the message independently, like a "key and lock" mechanism. This would eliminate the need for fallible human intermediaries and ensure that the message is coherent and clear to all.

High Stakes Demand High Clarity:
If the stakes are as high as salvation or eternal consequences, the message must be crystal clear and easily verifiable. Anything less would be unjust, as it would leave people at risk of misunderstanding or being misled by fallible interpreters.

Current Religious Texts:
Current religious texts, such as the Quran, Bible, and Torah, fail to meet these standards. They are deeply tied to historical and cultural contexts, require interpretation by fallible humans, and are not universally accessible or verifiable.

If You truly care for all of humanity, I ask that You provide a message that meets these criteria, so that every individual can independently verify its authenticity and decide whether to follow or refuse it.

Sincerely,
a Humble human being and i know u already know

relearning

ok le me dive a little deeper to this core idea and simpilfy:

Universial comprehension:
A divine message for everyone should be clear to all people, no matter their language, culture, or time period.
If you need specific languages (like Arabic, Hebrew, or ancient Greek) to understand it, it's not truly universal.

The Paradox of Interpretation:
If a message is from God, why does it need humans to explain it?
Relying on human interpretation for something as important as eternal salvation doesn't make sense

The Authentication Problem:
A real divine message should have a way to prove it's from God, something anyone can recognize.
Instead, religious texts rely on human history and tradition, which can't be fully trusted.

Cultural Imprisonment:
Religious texts are tied to specific cultures and times, making them hard to understand for others.
If the message is for everyone, why is it so culturally specific?

The Justice Question:
It's unfair if understanding God's message depends on:
Knowing ancient languages.
Studying history.
Dedicating ur life.
Being born into the "right" religion.
This makes access to divine truth a matter of luck or personal interest or some other emotional situations, not justice.

Challenge to Believers:
If your religion claims to have universal truth:
Why does it need experts to explain it?
How can it be universal if it's not clear to everyone?
How do you know your understanding isn't just shaped by your culture?

Conclusion:

A truly divine message would be clear, self-verifying, and accessible to everyone from , everywhere, at any time.
It should be equally understandable to people of all backgrounds—whether a shepherd, a professor, a farmer, or a tech entrepreneur—regardless of their language, culture, or education level or any other barrier which could lessen the chances of their receving the message for their eternal happiness!.
If eternal consequences are at stake, anything less than perfect clarity and fairness would be unjust.

People should not have to rely on fallible human assumptions, hearsay, or ancient cultural preservation to discover a message that determines their eternal fate. If the stakes are so high, why obscure the fact that they are being tested, forcing them to decipher clues from thousands of years ago or trust contemporaries who claim to have solved the puzzle for them? Proponents of these systems argue that humanity was "mature enough" to receive a final, eternal book, yet when confronted with its failure to abolish slavery or address other moral failings, they claim humanity "wasn't ready" for such changes. This raises a glaring contradiction: if humanity was ready for a divine, eternal test determining the fate of billions, why wasn't it ready to end the suffering of slaves? A truly divine and just system would ensure everyone, regardless of time or place, has equal access to clear, self-evident truths—anything less undermines the fairness and universality of the message.

Wakas

1) Where did you get your subjective criteria?

2) Name any book on earth that fulfils your criteria?

3) If you cannot provide an answer to (2) then feel free to make up such a book and describe it for us.

4) Can you tell us what Quran says about each of the criteria you have listed? This will give us an idea on how much you have studied this.
Verify for yourself. www.Misconceptions-About-Islam.com

relearning

where I got my criteria for a divine message? these criteria are not arbitrary but are based on the fundamental principles of justice, fairness, and universality. If a message is truly from God and intended for all of humanity it must be accessible, clear, and verifiable by every individual. this is not a subjective standard but a logical necessity for any claim to divine universality. If the stakes are as high as eternal salvation, anything less than perfect clarity and accessibility would be unjust. Do you believe that God would create a system where understanding His message depends on factors like language, culture, or historical context? If so how is that consistent with the idea of a just and merciful God


the fact that no such book exists does not invalidate my argument; rather, it highlights the failure of current religious texts to meet the standards of a truly divine message. If God exists and wishes to communicate with humanity, he is certainly capable of creating a message that is clea, universal, and self-verifying. The absence of such a book does not mean my criteria are flawed it means that the existing texts including the Quran fall short of what  divine message should be. Shouldn't we hold a text claiming divine origin to the highest possible standard? or we should accept in a circular logic its divine because it says so and use all our intellect to prove it is so by first accepting it out of habit, culture, and our ancestors' following of it just like a hidden fanatism with a guise of intellectual dressing it and boast around how much time you devoted to understand it to put it into perspective and you have no respect for ordinary people who are also meant to got the message but too lazy or not intelligent like you to study it for years or because of your being arabic or knowing arabic give you a moral high ground because you understand it well comparing other poor beings?

Quran claims to be a clear and accessible guide for all of humanity (e.g., 12:1–2, 54:17). However in practice it requires knowledge of Arabic historical context and scholarly interpretation to be understood fully. This creates a contradiction between its claim to universality and its actual accessibility. If the Quran is truly a divine message, why does it not provide a self-verifying mechanism that anyone, regardless of background, can recognize? Why does it rely on fallible human intermediaries to explain its teachings? These are not criticisms made in ignorance but observations based on the Quran's own claims and their practical implications