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1711
Dear All,

Salamun Alaikum.

Please see my support for the following statement:

"The original Masjid al Haram was in Makkah (My position and the traditional position)"


IS MAKKAH THE ORIGINAL LOCATION FOR THE MASJID AL-HARAM?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/original%20sanctuary%20FM3.htm


Regards,
Joseph.



1712
Walaikum salaam sister,

The Quran does not instruct believers to follow the 'religion' (deen) of Abraham. This concept is commonly misunderstood by many traditional Muslims too. The 'deen' for believers is prescribed by the Quran (with specific laws) and remains complete (6:114).

The Quran instructs believers to follow the 'millat' of Abraham. This is rather different from 'deen' (religion). The two terms have different meanings. This is also supported with verses such as 6:161 which discriminate between the two terms.

The term 'millat' has been explained by Quran itself through numerous verses which refer to monotheism as opposed to idolatry (e.g. 16:123; 3:95; 6:161), or a set of beliefs / creed of a particular people (2:120). Some millat's can also be false and do not lead aright.

For example, Muslims may fall under the same canopy of 'Islam', but different sects within it may follow different 'millats' (beliefs / creeds etc) which may not all be congruent with the overarching true essence of the Islam.  This is also true of Judaism and Christianity.

Furthermore, Islam is an encompassing religion which was revealed to all Prophets. However, it included different 'laws' (shariah) prescribed to different communities. We note this in the following verse where albeit one 'religion' was prescribed to all Prophets and their communities (42:13), laws (shariah) within them differed.

005:048 (part)
"... To each among you have we prescribed a law (Arabic: Shari-atan) and an open way (Arabic: wamin-hajan)..."

We also note different 'millats' (creeds) of different followers of the scriptures. Believers are told explicitly not to follow their 'millats'.

002:120
"Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion / creed (Arabic: Millatahum). Say: "The Guidance of God, that is the (only) Guidance." Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which has reached thee, then you would find neither Protector nor helper from God"

We further note in the Quran a reference to Prophet Abraham's good example (Us'watun Hasanatun - 60:4) which is to be emulated. From verse 60:4 it is clear that this is a reference to:

            (i)   Belief in God alone.
            (ii)  No worship to any other than to God.
            (iii) Complete reliance in God and firm belief in the Last Day.


Therefore, what we are asked to follow is Prophet Abraham's 'millat' (refraining from idolatry and adherence to his creed / certain set of beliefs commensurate with monotheism) not 'religion' (deen).

Certain aspects of Prophet Abraham's practices that he enjoined on his communities and are imposed on believers are clearly expounded by the Quran (a Book fully detailed - 6:114) such as prayer, zakat etc.

There is absolutely no prescription for circumcision in the Quran for believers.

The Quran remains a complete guide (huda) explained in detail (41:3; 11:1, 12:111 - tafsila), an explanation of all things necessary for religion (tibiana lekulli shayin 16:89), a criterion to judge between right and wrong (furqan 25:1) and the only source for religious guidance (6:114)


My article on circumcision below may help further, God willing.


CIRCUMCISION
http://quransmessage.com/articles/circumcision%20FM3.htm


I hope this helps.

Joseph

1713
Discussions / Re: "Ahadees e Qudsi" a Revelation or Secondary Source?
« on: November 18, 2011, 06:15:08 AM »
Salamun Alaikum

Hadith Qudsi were not written down or compiled at the time of the Prophet. They are part of the Islamic secondary source corpus.

Please see the following article for further elucidation.

HADITH QUDSI
http://quransmessage.com/articles/hadith%20qudsi%20FM3.htm

I hope this helps,
Joseph.

1714
General Discussions / Re: Hell is not yet in Existence
« on: November 17, 2011, 10:37:19 PM »
Salamun Alaikum all,

If the inference is that there is a 'punishment in the grave', then this concept is negated by the Quran. Punishment before a TRIAL has taken place (on the Day of Judgment) is not a concept of the Quran.


To quote a recent valid assertion from a another member on this forum with regards the Quran [Zakaria]

- If there is an implication, see if it's explicit elsewhere in the Book.
- If there is something explicitly mentioned, then it overrides anything implied.



There are explicit statements in the Quran that NEGATE the concept of 'punishment in the grave'. The incident with Pharaoh is an implied statement and must be studied in light of the explicit statements provided by the Quran. This verse should not be looked at in isolation and all other explicit statements ignored.


EXPLICIT STATEMENTS


FROM THE MOMENT ONE DIES AND ARE SUBSEQUENTLY RAISED, IT WILL FEEL LIKE A MOMENTARY TIME LAPSE

017:052
"It will be on a Day when He will call you, and you will answer (His call) with (words of) His praise, and you will think that you tarried but a little while!"
 
030.055-56
'On the Day that the Hour (of Reckoning) will be established, the transgressors will swear that they tarried not but an hour: thus were they used to being deluded!  But those endued with knowledge and faith will say: "Indeed ye did tarry, within God's Decree, to the Day of Resurrection, and this is the Day of Resurrection: but you - you were not aware'
 
010:045
'One day He will gather them together: (It will be) as if they had tarried but an hour of a day: they will recognise each other: assuredly those will be lost who denied the meeting with God and refused to receive true guidance'
 
046:035
"Therefore patiently persevere, as did (all) messengers of determination; and be in no haste about the (Unbelievers). On the Day that they see what they were promised, (it will be) as if they had not tarried more than an hour in a single day. (Yours is but) to proclaim the Message: but shall any be destroyed except those who transgress?"

079:046
"On the day that they see it, it will be as though they had not tarried but the latter part of a day or the early part of it"
 
Similar wisdom is imparted in other verses:
 
The Sleepers of the Cave slept for many hundreds of years (God knows best the exact period) but they felt they had only slept for a little while (18:19)
A man slept for a 100 years but he only felt like that he slept for a part of a day (2:259)


THE DAY OF JUDGMENT IS ONLY A BLINKING OF AN EYE AWAY
 
In the context of the above verses, it becomes clear what is meant by the following verse which completely resonates with the theme of the Quran. At the point of death (which can come upon any of us at a stroke) and the Day of raising, it is but a blink of an eye.
 
016:077
'And to God belongs the Unseen of the heavens and the earth, and the matter of the Hour (of Doom) is but as a twinkling of the eye, or it is nearer still. Indeed! God is Able to do all things'


THE MISQUOTED PHARAOH VERSE

 
040:046
'In front of the Fire will they be brought, morning and evening: and (the sentence will be) on the Day that Judgment will be established: "Cast ye the People of Pharaoh into the severest Penalty'
 

If read in context, it becomes absolutely clear that this is a reference to the Day of Judgment.
 
040:047
'And when they shall contend one with another in the fire, then the weak shall say to those who were proud: Surely we were your followers; will you then avert from us a portion of the fire?'
 
It is difficult to accept 40:46 as a reference to a 'punishment in the grave'. Mutual disputes between the people of Pharaoh in the fire clearly indicate a state of communal punishment and not a punishment in separate graves.
 
The very next verse provides even more clarity:
 
040:048
'Those who were proud shall say: Surely we are all in it: surely God has judged between the servants
 
Furthermore, given the descriptive traditions which deal with punishment in the grave, one has to acknowledge that Pharaoh actually drowned but was later preserved in body (10:92) and has no grave in the sense we commonly understand it.  So the difficulty with traditional understanding continues in so much as how one then reconciles Pharaoh's punishment in the grave when his body was never buried. Clearly, the verses are misquoted.
 
The key to understand any Quranic theme is to remain consistent with all the Quranic verses.

Please find the above thoughts in my main article:

PUNISHMENT OF THE GRAVE (AZAB-E-QABR)
http://quransmessage.com/articles/grave%20punishment%20FM3.htm


I hope this helps,
Joseph.

1715
Dear All,

Salamun Alaikum.

One of the more common questions that I receive is with respect to the Qibla change, the location of the original sanctuary that Prophet Abraham (pbuh) built and the location of the original Masjid al Haram.

The main views that range are:

          (1) The original sanctuary built by Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was in Makkah (Traditional position)
          (2) The original sanctuary built by Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was towards the Holy Lands (My position)
          (3) The original Masjid al Haram was not in Makkah but in Jerusalem
          (4) The original Masjid al Haram was not in Makkah or Jerusalem but in Jabal al-Lawz
          (5) The original Masjid al Haram was in Makkah (My position and the traditional position)
          (6) The different locations of the first Qibla

I have responded to many of you with my views on this matter which can be sourced from my articles. Many of you have provided an array of rich views citing your respective evidence for support.

I invite all those that have written to me directly and those that are interested in this discussion to have a civilised, thought provoking discussion on this thread. It is obviously a matter which is of keen interest to many of you that write to me.

Please don't feel shy to express your views. Your views will be respected. I have notified the moderator(s) to remain very vigilant with a view to maintain decorum on the forum and to allow all to express their views with a view to advance academic debate (keeping in mind the basic forum rules of course). I will also be keenly reading the responses.

Please share your views why you believe what you do and let the discussions develop, God willing.

Regards,
Joseph


PS:  My views on the Qibla change and the original sanctuary can be sourced from the following articles. God willing I will shortly be sharing another related article.

THE QIBLA CHANGE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/qibla%20FM3.htm

PROPHET ABRAHAM'S (pbuh) ORIGINAL SANCTUARY - AT MAKKAH (MECCA) OR BAKKAH (BACA)?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/makkah%20bakkah%20FM3.htm




1716
General Discussions / Re: Hell is not yet in Existence
« on: November 17, 2011, 11:08:32 AM »
Salamun Alaikum brother,

The way you have presented your post, I am little confused as to what you exactly mean. Are you saying that Hell is not yet in existence and supporting it with 89:23 or are you saying that Hell is in existence and attempting to making use of 40:46 to support your position?

Please do let me / members on this forum know God willing :-)

Your brother,
Joseph.

1717
Salamun Alaikum.

Even if one compares a comprehensive narrative such as the story of Prophet Joseph (pbuh) in the Quran, with that from one that exists in the 'Torah', one will note how the Quran agrees, disagrees and reveals different nuances as compared to the same narrative in the Torah.

The Quran does not only confirm the 'Torah' (five books of the Pentateuch) but it also confirms other books which make up the Tanakh (Jewish OT) such as the Book of Psalms (Zabur 4:163) and possibly others where it tacitly expects its audience to be familiar with the narratives (such as the Book of Job).

The Quran addresses whatever of the Bible was present and being followed by those of the Previous scriptures at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

It not only addresses narratives outside the Torah (which you have inferred as analogous to Hadith) but also the Torah itself.

Dealing specifically with those narratives outside the Torah, the Quran at times seriously reprimands beliefs that emanate from it. This does not tacitly support the concept of 'hadith' but possibly seriously contests it.

Let us note an example:

In 1 Kings 11 we read:
               
"King Solomon, however, loved many foreign women besides Pharaoh's daughter --Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians and Hittites. (2) They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, "You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods." Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love. (3) He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. (4) As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. (5) He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. (6) So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done"
However, the Quran categorically denies such a claim and vindicates Prophet Solomon (pbuh) of any wrongdoing. The narrative in question straddles two verses, so parts will be quoted for brevity.

2:101-102 (part)
"And when there came to them a Messenger from God confirming what (was) with them, a party of those who were given the Book threw the Book of God behind their backs as if they knew nothing. (2:102) And they followed that which the devils falsely recited against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon did not disbelieve, but the devils disbelieved..."

So this provides us clear indication of what can happen with 'hadith' and the serious dangers associated with it. A prophet can possibly be turned into an idol worshipper!

However, there are many narratives where the Quran seems to clearly confirm (musaddiqan) Biblical understanding, yet retaining the overall authority to act as a criterion to distinguish between right and wrong (5:48)

005.048 (part) "To thee We revealed the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that is between the hands (coexistent Torah and Bible), and guarding it by determining what is true and false (Arabic: wa-muhayminan): so judge between them by what God has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that has come to thee..."

The Quran's purpose is not to rewrite the Bible (5:15) but to confirm and also act as a 'furqan' (25:1). It protects the essence of the message of the previous scriptures, whilst also acting as a discerner of its truth (muhayminan).

One can clearly see if one makes use of the Quran as a 'judge' how stories change if they are not protected. As noted and to reiterate, prophet's can even be turned into idol worshippers!

For me this clearly highlights the 'weaknesses' inherent in such a transmission rather than provide ample support of the need for 'hadith'.

Furthermore, the Bible and its narratives are protected by the Quranic 'guard'. There is no 'guard' after the Quran which can act as a 'furqan' for Islamic Hadith. There is absolutely nothing.

I hope this helps.

Joseph.

1718
General Discussions / Re: Jin
« on: November 17, 2011, 04:42:53 AM »
If Jinns were literally made out of fire, and if they read the same Qur'an as us for guidance, then how are they to perform Wudu (Ablutions)? Do fiery creatures eat and fast? I think Parwez is on to something that needs further exploration.

Salamun Alaikum brother Mubashir  :)

The premise for the support of G. Parwez's argument that you have presented, in my humble opinion is seriously contestable.


First premise:
"If Jinns were literally made out of fire..."

Response:

This assumption is false. The Quran is best describing in the language of the Arabs what creative essence has been used to create the Jinn. This is where English renditions can be left wanting.

The Quran describes their essence as 'nare-sumun' (15:27) and 'mariji-min nar' (55:15)

This is not literal fire. There is some semblance of fire but it is also 'sumun' which gives us a sense of ferocity, intensity and 'marij' which means confused, impaired, mixed and something which is unsteady.

It is a description used by the Quran to best describe to a 7th century Arab audience a substance which they may not be familiar with. Clearly this is not the same substance by which mankind was created (15:26).


Second premise:
"and if they read the same Qur'an as us for guidance..."

Response:

At no place in the Quran does it categorically state that the Quran was revealed to the Jinn as well as for man for complete guidance. There is absolutely no warrant for this understanding in light of the Quran and remains a theological position often based on Islamic secondary sources.

The Quran gives incidents in which the 'jinn' were inclined to 'listen in' (is'tama'a) and acknowledged the veracity of the Quran. This is rather different from concluding that the Quran was also revealed for the 'Jinn'. Incidents such as '72:1' and '46:29' are examples.

If you note the claim by the Jinn in 46:30 that they '...heard a Book revealed after Moses...' one will clearly note that this was a rather exceptional 'inclination'. I don't think the book of Moses was revealed to 'Bedouins, nomadic tribes or gypsies who kept on wandering from place to place and remained in deserts' that G. Parwez expresses.

Furthermore, from the Prophet's statement "'Say: It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn listened ..." (72:1),, it is clear that the Prophet did not expect the Jinn's to have listened in to the Quran nor are we to conclude that he was aware himself of their presence nor that the Quran was also revealed for them.

Indeed, the Quran acknowledges the Jinn's capacity to 'listen in' (istama'a) but it was merely a group (nafarun - 72:1) which seems to me an exception rather than a rule. This recognition of the Jinn's ability to listen in is also possibly why we find the 'duality' in Surah Rehman correctly noted by Truth seeker. 'Also' a mere 'group' (nafarun) that the Quran has captured as to those that 'listened in' finds tension with Parwez's view that "In Arabia such people were great in number"..

Furthermore, there is a possibility that both incidents of 72:1 and 46:29 may be a reference to the same incident. Again, one possible incident does not establish a rule.

In conclusion therefore, I find both premises in support of G. Parvez's view seriously contestable. Therefore, I cannot support the conclusions you have drawn from them or Parwez's views on this matter. It simply serves little to reconcile all the Quranic narratives cogently.

Thank you for sharing your views to facilitate the debate. It is truly appreciated, albeit I beg to differ.

Your brother in faith,
Joseph.


1719
Discussions / Please Read
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:53:32 AM »
Dear All,

Thank you for your comments.

Indeed only God can guide. I am a mere servant of God with all the inherent weaknesses of a fallible human being. At best all I can provide are arguments based on the scripture.

If what I say is true, then any good is only from God and I am merely an avenue to that truth, like anyone else. Any mistakes that I make are truly my own and my soul shall bear the brunt of any trangressions on the Day of Judgment.

The purpose of this section is merely to encourage others to share their personal experiences with others who may in turn be strengthened by it given their own circumstances.

It is a complex web of acquiring information and I believe that God takes us past what I call are 'watering places' if He intends to guide and 'water' those that truly seek His way. It is often a case of traversing these stepping stones with an open mind / heart and indeed moving on when the time is right.

My work (my humble effort) is merely a small piece in this immense web. Please take anything from it that is good and move on from anything that you do not find convincing.

Let us race (fa-is'tabiqu) with one another in good works (2:148).

I ardently pray that my Lord guides me and forgives my fallible soul on the Day that I am raised.

Joseph.

1720
Discussions / Re: Wonderful site!
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:52:41 AM »
Thank you for your comments.

Indeed only God can guide. I am a mere servant of God with all the inherent weaknesses of a fallible human being. At best all I can provide are arguments based on the scripture.

If what I say is true, then any good is only from God and I am merely an avenue to that truth, like anyone else. Any mistakes that I make are truly my own and my soul shall bear the brunt of any trangressions on the Day of Judgment.

The purpose of this section is merely to encourage others to share their personal experiences with others who may in turn be strengthened by it given their own circumstances.

It is a complex web of acquiring information and I believe that God takes us past what I call are 'watering places' if He intends to guide and 'water' those that truly seek His way. It is often a case of traversing these stepping stones with an open mind / heart and indeed moving on when the time is right.

My work is merely a small piece in this immense web. Please take anything from it that is good and move on from anything that you do not find convincing.

Let us race (fa-is'tabiqu) with one another in good works (2:148).

I ardently pray that my Lord guides me and forgives my fallible soul on the Day that I am raised.

Joseph.

1721
Discussions / Re: I'm a fan!
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:50:57 AM »
Thank you for your comments.

Indeed only God can guide. I am a mere servant of God with all the inherent weaknesses of a fallible human being. At best all I can provide are arguments based on the scripture.

If what I say is true, then any good is only from God and I am merely an avenue to that truth, like anyone else. Any mistakes that I make are truly my own and my soul shall bear the brunt of any trangressions on the Day of Judgment.

The purpose of this section is merely to encourage others to share their personal experiences with others who may in turn be strengthened by it given their own circumstances.

It is a complex web of acquiring information and I believe that God takes us past what I call are 'watering places' if He intends to guide and 'water' those that truly seek His way. It is often a case of traversing these stepping stones with an open mind / heart and indeed moving on when the time is right.

My work is merely a small piece in this immense web. Please take anything from it that is good and move on from anything that you do not find convincing.

Let us race (fa-is'tabiqu) with one another in good works (2:148).

I ardently pray that my Lord guides me and forgives my fallible soul on the Day that I am raised.

Joseph.

1722
Discussions / Re: Your Site, My Background
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:49:35 AM »
Thank you for your comments.

Indeed only God can guide. I am a mere servant of God with all the inherent weaknesses of a fallible human being. At best all I can provide are arguments based on the scripture.

If what I say is true, then any good is only from God and I am merely an avenue to that truth, like anyone else. Any mistakes that I make are truly my own and my soul shall bear the brunt of any trangressions on the Day of Judgment.

The purpose of this section is merely to encourage others to share their personal experiences with others who may in turn be strengthened by it given their own circumstances.

It is a complex web of acquiring information and I believe that God takes us past what I call are 'watering places' if He intends to guide and 'water' those that truly seek His way. It is often a case of traversing these stepping stones with an open mind / heart and indeed moving on when the time is right.

My work is merely a small piece in this immense web. Please take anything from it that is good and move on from anything that you do not find convincing.

Let us race (fa-is'tabiqu) with one another in good works (2:148).

I ardently pray that my Lord guides me and forgives my fallible soul on the Day that I am raised.

Joseph.

1723
Salamun Alaikum,

Thank you for your question.

I have the utmost respect for brother Javed Ghamidi who I believe is an outstanding scholar, of immense erudition and cogency of argumentation.

However, with the perspective you have presented (and assuming that it is a correct representation of brother Ghamidi's view), I would have to part with a difference of an opinion on this matter.

My perspective of Itmam-ul Hujjah can be found here.

ITMAM AL-HUJJAH - COMPLETION OF PROOF
http://quransmessage.com/articles/itmam%20FM3.htm


I think you have already answered the question aptly and I concur with your view. It is not simply about belief / and disbelief. War was waged / natural destructions took place because people / communities also transgressed beyond bounds in the land and into sin. If one notes the directive in Surah Tauba (9), war was only waged with those that transgressed those bounds, repeatedly broke treaties and waged war.

I don't find anything in the Quran in my humble opinion where people have just been punished for simple disbelief (which only God can judge). Or indeed, on whom Divine war has been waged by the hands of the believers whilst they do not transgress bounds in the land and commit evil.


FORCED FAITH IS NO FAITH
http://quransmessage.com/articles/forced%20faith%20is%20no%20faith%20FM3.htm


I hope that helps.

Your brother,
Joseph






1724
Dear Reader,

Salamun Alaikum.

From my own humble, yet ardent research, I find the Quran gives absolutely no authority to any other source to be used in conjunction with it and that it stands alone for sole 'religious' guidance as ordained by God.

006.114
"Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who has revealed to you the Book, explained in detail (Arabic: Mufassalan)". They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it has been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt"

045:006          
"These are verses of God (Arabic: ayat-ullah) that We recite to you with truth. Then, in what HADITH (Arabic word: Hadithin) after God and His verses (Arabic: Ayati) do they believe?"


THE QURAN STANDS ALONE AS SOLE RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/quran%20sole%20guidance%20FM3.htm


For me the Book of God is complete for religious guidance. I will stand in front of the Lord and say I relied on a word which I knew was from Him. Like a goodly word (kalimatan tayyibatan), which gave me foundation like a goodly tree (14:24). I never relied on the works of men that were written 100's of years later which God showed me through His various means, their weaknesses in transmission, their contradictions, some of their sordid narratives. He showed me from the Quran that it merely took 40 nights for Prophet Moses (pbuh) to be away from his people and they worshipped a calf. This was while Prophet Aaron (pbuh) was amongst them and they had witnessed miracles such as the parting of the sea.

He showed me how quickly the Christians only after a few centuries turned Prophet Jesus into God and split God's essence into 3. He showed me through the Quran repeatedly that people have always turned back on their heels after guidance comes to them and depart from scripture. That they rely on the traditions of their forefathers.

He showed me through the scripture that if one does not judge by the scripture they are kaffirs (5:44); zalims (5:45) and fasiqs (5:47). He showed me that on the Day of Judgment the only complaint the messenger would have would be that his 'qawm' had forsaken the Quran (25:30). He showed me through numerous proofs that the Quran was alone in authority.

I never want to be in a position to say to my Lord that I relied on the traditions of my forefathers despite He having manifested the truth of the matter with all these signs and more. Otherwise I would have truly disbelieved (kufr) in His word. Only our Lord can truly guide.

Your brother,
Joseph.

1725
Salamun Alaikum sister,

I have an article dealing with praying for the dead below which I would like to share. However, I find no warrant from the Quran for the concept of doing charitable deeds on 'behalf' of the dead with a view to benefit them. A soul is responsible only for their own deeds (6:164) and their own earthly efforts rendered (53:39). We can neither benefit them nor harm them once they have passed away.

I often find the question asked, how is it then that one's prayer for the dead can benefit them when they have passed away? Those whose souls have departed (tawaffu) may be considered 'dead' by humans, they are not 'dead' for God.  Souls depart to God, much like when we are asleep (19:42; 6:60) and in death move to a state of 'Barzakh' (23:100) where the human concept of time is lost. Nothing is dead for God who has the ability to resurrect any of His creation that He wills. Even God's other creatures will return back to God (6:38).

We are taught in the case of the righteous that we should not consider them as 'dead'.

002:154
"And do not speak of those who are slain in God's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive (Arabic: 'walakin la tash'urun)"

Note the term 'walakin la tash'urun' (but you do not perceive). We simply don't have that perception of their state which is proven by the above verse. Very little information has been given with regards the state of 'Barzakh'. Regardless of the years that are spent in this state, for the deceased this state would appear to pass very quickly all the way to the Day of Judgment (17:52; 30:55-56; 10:45; 46:35; 79:46).

Albeit, this concept has been explained in terms of 'martyrs', there is no reason to conclude that this does not apply to all souls.

I feel at the heart of the question is usually a lack of appreciation that God is NOT dependant on time nor does He exist 'in time' that He Himself has created. We exist in time. God transcends space, time and His creation. He is not dependant on the laws He himself has created. A lot of difficulties in our understandings are resolved if we remove God from our linear perception of time and space which He is not subject to. Many verses in the Quran indicate that He is in the past, present and future simultaneously and governs affairs from outside His universal creation.

So if one prays for a departed soul, God took account of that prayer before he put the Universe together and instituted his master-plan. Another way of looking at it is that our prayers in the present are being dealt with in the past. (God not being dependant on space and time).

So our prayers are not futile but rather, remain very valid.

Please find below the article mentioned.

http://quransmessage.com/articles/praying%20for%20and%20praying%20through%20FM3.htm

I hope this helps, God willing.

Your brother,
Joseph.

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