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Posts on Facebook / Bees and Fruits
« on: June 27, 2019, 05:00:04 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1465919100211879


BEES AND FRUITS

Please kindly see the article [1] below which addresses the following criticisms made against verse 16:69, mostly by critics of the Quran.

016.069
"Then eat of from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord made smooth. There comes forth from within their bellies a beverage of many colours, in which there is healing for mankind. Indeed, there is a sign in this for a people who reflect."

CRITICISM:

1 - Bees don't eat fruits
2 - Bees don't convert fruits to honey

For those of you interested in a summary response, please see the conclusion of the article.


REFERENCES:

[1] BEES AND FRUITS
http://quransmessage.com/articles/bees-fruits%20FM3.htm
[2] Honey Bees Eating Fruits - QM Forum Thread
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2768.0

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General Discussions / Re: Honey Bees eating fruits
« on: June 24, 2019, 03:52:07 PM »
Dear brother Athman,

As-salamu alaykum

JazakAllah Khair for your important elucidation with which I wholly concur.

Having read your response, I have felt that the article should now include an excerpt of the rose-coloured sorrel and the Lubia reference, rather than just the reference to the page of the lexicon, particularly as it is relevant to the crux of the article.

Therefore, thank you very much for your post which has proved very useful and I am sure, to others too.

Regards,
Joseph
 

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General Discussions / Re: Honey Bees eating fruits
« on: June 24, 2019, 12:29:43 AM »
Wa alaikum assalam Baandaar,

Please kindly see article below:

BEES AND FRUITS
http://quransmessage.com/articles/bees-fruits%20FM3.htm

Regards,
Joseph


Facebook Link to relevant post: https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1465919100211879

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Posts on Facebook / The Dilemma is Real
« on: June 20, 2019, 03:19:22 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1462058073931315


THE DILEMMA IS REAL

Alas, the Quran is deemed sufficient and complete a guide to challenge the scriptures, millennia of scholarship and traditions of other religions and creeds, yet no sooner has 'the convert' / 'revert' entered the folds of Islam, they are confronted with a predicament.


Source: Thank you to the kind, generous soul that drew the illustration for me. You know who you are. May God bless you always.





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Wa alaikum assalam

Just because there has not been any evidence discovered that can date something prior to a particular point in time, does not mean that it did not exist (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence). There could be a number of reasons for this.

This is no different from claiming that as no concrete evidence has ever been discovered of a settlement large enough to support the concept of an Exodus of Prophet Moses's people that this did not happen and hence, historical references of such an event in both the Biblical and the Quranic record are errant / false. Or, that because the insurmountable fortification built by Dhul Qurnain and his manpower has never been discovered (18:94-97), that this event is also false.

Notwithstanding that it is not of the Quran's intent to provide timelines with specific dates of reigns / events, it is still purporting to be a historical record of sorts.

Rather, why did you not seemingly allow for the possibility that despite the belief that the chain of armour predates to about 500 BC, the Quran actually provides evidence that the skill to produce such armour actually existed prior to that date?

Why did you not seemingly allow for the possibility that in 7th century Arabia, evidence may have actually existed, but become obscured / masked over time? For example, sites such as Petra where habitations/dwellings were carved into rock faces were discovered in 1812 by Johann Ludwig Burckhardt and the site of Mada'in Saleh was not accessed until thereafter by Charles Montagu Doughty. Yet, the Quran was aware of the existence of such constructs over a thousand years earlier (15:82, 26:149, 7:74) and even suggests that they were often frequented by the primary audience of the Quran. Would it then be correct for someone in let us say the 15th or 16th century (prior to Petra's discovery or that of Mada'in Saleh), to suggest that the Quran made a historical error because no such habitation had ever been found in that period?

Another example would be that of the Ark of the Covenant (2:248). Because we have no evidence of it today, by the same logic, would it be correct to assume that it did not exist? Especially, something of such religious significance? The ruins of Lot's communities were clearly visible to the Arabs of the 7th century (15:76). Yet, there is dispute of its exact location today. Would it be correct then to assert that these communities did not exist?

We need to be very careful when interpreting historical events (particularly when inferring an accurate timeline), simply based on what we can muster as tangible evidence today.

Hopefully, this will provide some food for thought, God willing.

Regards,
Joseph

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Posts on Facebook / Re: Feedback Regarding Quora Sought
« on: June 16, 2019, 07:46:17 PM »
Dear brother Ahmad,

JazakAllah Khair for your input  :)

Regards,
Joseph

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Posts on Facebook / Is it Really Science?
« on: June 15, 2019, 11:57:41 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1457795084357614


IS IT REALLY SCIENCE?


If Islam's secondary source Ahadith literature was really founded on 'scientific principles' as it oft- claimed, they would arguably, still be subject to ongoing intellectual scrutiny and rigorous analysis today.

Why is it forgotten that science inherently expects the continuous testing of principles, a systematic ongoing intellectual endeavour to refine knowledge. Why is it forgotten, that when great Muslim mathematicians, astronomers, and philosophers are lauded, that their fields of work have been continuously advanced and refined.

I wonder how many from the Muslim academic clergy today take a ‘scientific’ approach when they encounter their literature or when they speak about 'science' and the secondary source literature in the same stroke.

I often find 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10 to be absent.


Image source: Unknown



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Posts on Facebook / Feedback Regarding Quora Sought
« on: June 15, 2019, 11:54:41 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1456183411185448


Dear All,

I have been requested a number of times now by various people to also share Q&A responses on Quora.

Does anyone here use Quora and / or have any thoughts / experiences on this as a platform in general?

Any feedback welcome.

With peace and regards,
Joseph

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Islamic Duties / Re: Inheritance Law
« on: June 14, 2019, 03:29:06 PM »
Salaam Iman,

In verse 4.12, there is an assumption that a surviving spouse is present, whereas in 4.176 there is not a spouse, therefore different sibling shares are allocated.

Dear Truthseeker,

As-salamu alaykum

That is correct. Please kindly see my excerpt below:



Full Article:

http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/inheritance/inheritance%20FM2.htm

Regards,
Joseph

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Posts on Facebook / Summarised Responses to 5 Popular Claims
« on: June 12, 2019, 03:20:30 AM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1455531907917265


SUMMARISED RESPONSES TO 5 POPULAR CLAIMS:


  • The Quran was compiled by the same men that compiled the Ahadith
  • The compilation of the Quran was also a human effort after the death of the prophet
  • The Quran was transmitted in the same manner as Ahadith
  • You need Ahadith to pray salaat
  • The Quran only provides broad guidance. The Ahadith are required for the details

Please see link below:

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2758.0

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Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1454722684664854


THE QURAN AND THE AHADITH WERE NOT TRANSMITTED IN THE SAME MANNER

Unfortunately, a common, yet false accusation against the Quran is that it was transmitted in the same manner as the Ahadith.




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Please also kindly see:

Popular Arguments Made When the Ahadith Corpus is Criticised

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2758.0

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Please also kindly see:

Techniques Deployed Against the Quran-Centric Position by the Tradionalist
 
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2621.0

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1. THE QURAN WAS COMPILED BY THE SAME MEN THAT COMPILED THE AHADITH

FALSE

The Quran as a canon was compiled and propagated in the prophet’s presence en masse (mutawaatir - through multiple chains) during his lifetime.  This would have been transmitted by the Prophet himself (foremost), his contemporaries and entrusted entourage.

The canonised hadith as we know them today are the works of fallible men centuries removed from the prophet and the immediate generations of people that came into contact with the prophet. [1], [2], [3]


2. THE COMPILATION OF THE QURAN WAS ALSO A HUMAN EFFORT AFTER THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET

FALSE

These claims are sourced from secondary sources (such as Ahadith), not the Quran. The Quran’s own testimony provides clear evidence that the entire Quran was complete (15:87; 15:91; 17:88; 17:106; 30:58; 36:2; 5:3) and hand written by the noble scribes during the life of the prophet (80:013-16). [4]


3. THE QURAN WAS TRANSMITTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS AHADITH

FALSE

The Quran was propagated from the source (revelation to the prophet) by multiple chains en masse. The Ahadith corpus was propagated in the main as 'ahad transmissions' (limited corroboration, single source of evidence), simply by word of mouth allegedly across entire centuries. 


4. YOU NEED AHADITH TO PRAY SALAAT

FALSE

No Muslim learns to pray from a complete hadith. There is not one hadith in the entire corpus of the Ahadith canons that teaches a Muslim the complete salaat as it is practiced today from start to finish.

Salaat is a traditional practice from the time of Prophet Abraham (2:128), practiced by the people of the Book even before Islam was revealed in Arabia to the Prophet's contemporaries and then continued en masse generation to generation. This is an unbroken practice across the Abrahamic creeds. Past noble personalities such as Mary were simply expected to assimilate with the existing prayer practice of her day (3:43), as were the Jews of the time of Prophet Muhammad (2:43). [5]


5. THE QURAN ONLY PROVIDES BROAD GUIDANCE. THE AHADITH ARE REQUIRED FOR THE DETAILS

FALSE

The Quran claims to be a ‘tibaina le kulle shaye’ (clear explanation for all things) for matters of religion (16:9). Nothing is omitted from the Book (6:38) for necessary religious guidance for believers and God never runs out of words (31:27). The Quran further claims to be a Book which is explained in detail (fussila - 41:3; mufassal 6:114; tafsil 12:111)  and thus, the sole source of religious authority for believers. [6], [7]

The secondary source corpus such as Ahadith can indeed provide many insightful details which may assist present day Muslims to understand how early Muslims practiced their religion, but this does not warrant it the status of ‘authority’. That status belongs only to the revelation, the Quran. [8]




REFERENCES:

[1] WAS THE QURAN REALLY TRANSMITTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE HADITH?
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/en%20masse/enmasse%20FM2.htm
[2] TIMELINE
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/timeline/timeline%20FM2.htm
[3] WHAT DOES 214 YEARS FEEL LIKE?
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/214%20years/214%20years%20FM2.htm
[4] THE COMPILATION OF THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20compilation%20of%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm
[5] HOW CAN WE LEARN PRAYER IF WE DON'T HAVE HADITH TO TEACH US?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20without%20hadith%20FM3.htm
[6] HOW THE QURAN DESCRIBES ITSELF
http://quransmessage.com/articles/how%20the%20quran%20describes%20itself%20FM3.htm
[7] THE QURAN STANDS ALONE AS SOLE RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/quran%20sole%20guidance%20FM3.htm
[8] QURAN-CENTRISM
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2622

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General Discussions / Tolerance is a Two-Way Street
« on: June 08, 2019, 03:26:50 AM »
Tolerance is a Two-Way Street






REFERENCE:

[1] Homosexual Acts between Women (Lesbian Acts)
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2750.0


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