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Posts on Facebook / Is it Really Science?
« on: June 15, 2019, 11:57:41 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1457795084357614


IS IT REALLY SCIENCE?


If Islam's secondary source Ahadith literature was really founded on 'scientific principles' as it oft- claimed, they would arguably, still be subject to ongoing intellectual scrutiny and rigorous analysis today.

Why is it forgotten that science inherently expects the continuous testing of principles, a systematic ongoing intellectual endeavour to refine knowledge. Why is it forgotten, that when great Muslim mathematicians, astronomers, and philosophers are lauded, that their fields of work have been continuously advanced and refined.

I wonder how many from the Muslim academic clergy today take a ‘scientific’ approach when they encounter their literature or when they speak about 'science' and the secondary source literature in the same stroke.

I often find 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10 to be absent.


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Posts on Facebook / Feedback Regarding Quora sought
« on: June 15, 2019, 11:54:41 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1456183411185448


Dear All,

I have been requested a number of times now by various people to also share Q&A responses on Quora.

Does anyone here use Quora and / or have any thoughts / experiences on this as a platform in general?

Any feedback welcome.

With peace and regards,
Joseph

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Islamic Duties / Re: Inheritance Law
« on: June 14, 2019, 03:29:06 PM »
Salaam Iman,

In verse 4.12, there is an assumption that a surviving spouse is present, whereas in 4.176 there is not a spouse, therefore different sibling shares are allocated.

Dear Truthseeker,

As-salamu alaykum

That is correct. Please kindly see my excerpt below:



Full Article:

http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/inheritance/inheritance%20FM2.htm

Regards,
Joseph

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Posts on Facebook / Summarised Responses to 5 Popular Claims
« on: June 12, 2019, 03:20:30 AM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1455531907917265


SUMMARISED RESPONSES TO 5 POPULAR CLAIMS:


  • The Quran was compiled by the same men that compiled the Ahadith
  • The compilation of the Quran was also a human effort after the death of the prophet
  • The Quran was transmitted in the same manner as Ahadith
  • You need Ahadith to pray salaat
  • The Quran only provides broad guidance. The Ahadith are required for the details

Please see link below:

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2758.0

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Direct Facebook Link:

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THE QURAN AND THE AHADITH WERE NOT TRANSMITTED IN THE SAME MANNER

Unfortunately, a common, yet false accusation against the Quran is that it was transmitted in the same manner as the Ahadith.




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Please also kindly see:

Popular Arguments Made When the Ahadith Corpus is Criticised

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2758.0

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Please also kindly see:

Techniques Deployed Against the Quran-Centric Position by the Tradionalist
 
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2621.0

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1. THE QURAN WAS COMPILED BY THE SAME MEN THAT COMPILED THE AHADITH

FALSE

The Quran as a canon was compiled and propagated in the prophet’s presence en masse (mutawaatir - through multiple chains) during his lifetime.  This would have been transmitted by the Prophet himself (foremost), his contemporaries and entrusted entourage.

The canonised hadith as we know them today are the works of fallible men centuries removed from the prophet and the immediate generations of people that came into contact with the prophet. [1], [2], [3]


2. THE COMPILATION OF THE QURAN WAS ALSO A HUMAN EFFORT AFTER THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET

FALSE

These claims are sourced from secondary sources (such as Ahadith), not the Quran. The Quran’s own testimony provides clear evidence that the entire Quran was complete (15:87; 15:91; 17:88; 17:106; 30:58; 36:2; 5:3) and hand written by the noble scribes during the life of the prophet (80:013-16). [4]


3. THE QURAN WAS TRANSMITTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS AHADITH

FALSE

The Quran was propagated from the source (revelation to the prophet) by multiple chains en masse. The Ahadith corpus was propagated in the main as 'ahad transmissions' (limited corroboration, single source of evidence), simply by word of mouth allegedly across entire centuries. 


4. YOU NEED AHADITH TO PRAY SALAAT

FALSE

No Muslim learns to pray from a complete hadith. There is not one hadith in the entire corpus of the Ahadith canons that teaches a Muslim the complete salaat as it is practiced today from start to finish.

Salaat is a traditional practice from the time of Prophet Abraham (2:128), practiced by the people of the Book even before Islam was revealed in Arabia to the Prophet's contemporaries and then continued en masse generation to generation. This is an unbroken practice across the Abrahamic creeds. Past noble personalities such as Mary were simply expected to assimilate with the existing prayer practice of her day (3:43), as were the Jews of the time of Prophet Muhammad (2:43). [5]


5. THE QURAN ONLY PROVIDES BROAD GUIDANCE. THE AHADITH ARE REQUIRED FOR THE DETAILS

FALSE

The Quran claims to be a ‘tibaina le kulle shaye’ (clear explanation for all things) for matters of religion (16:9). Nothing is omitted from the Book (6:38) for necessary religious guidance for believers and God never runs out of words (31:27). The Quran further claims to be a Book which is explained in detail (fussila - 41:3; mufassal 6:114; tafsil 12:111)  and thus, the sole source of religious authority for believers. [6], [7]

The secondary source corpus such as Ahadith can indeed provide many insightful details which may assist present day Muslims to understand how early Muslims practiced their religion, but this does not warrant it the status of ‘authority’. That status belongs only to the revelation, the Quran. [8]




REFERENCES:

[1] WAS THE QURAN REALLY TRANSMITTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE HADITH?
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/en%20masse/enmasse%20FM2.htm
[2] TIMELINE
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/timeline/timeline%20FM2.htm
[3] WHAT DOES 214 YEARS FEEL LIKE?
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/214%20years/214%20years%20FM2.htm
[4] THE COMPILATION OF THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20compilation%20of%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm
[5] HOW CAN WE LEARN PRAYER IF WE DON'T HAVE HADITH TO TEACH US?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20without%20hadith%20FM3.htm
[6] HOW THE QURAN DESCRIBES ITSELF
http://quransmessage.com/articles/how%20the%20quran%20describes%20itself%20FM3.htm
[7] THE QURAN STANDS ALONE AS SOLE RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/quran%20sole%20guidance%20FM3.htm
[8] QURAN-CENTRISM
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2622

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General Discussions / Tolerance is a Two-Way Street
« on: June 08, 2019, 03:26:50 AM »
Tolerance is a Two-Way Street






REFERENCE:

[1] Homosexual Acts between Women (Lesbian Acts)
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2750.0


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Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1451194928350963


076:009
"We feed you only for the countenance / sake of God. We do not wish from you any reward or gratitude."

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Posts on Facebook / Life of this World is a Diversion
« on: June 07, 2019, 06:20:00 AM »
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029:064
"And this life of the world is nothing but a 'diversion' (Arabic: laha) and a 'play / game / sport / pastime' (Arabic: la'ib). And indeed, the home of the Hereafter - surely THAT IS THE LIFE! If only they knew"

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As-salamu alaykum


Albeit there may not be a specific verse that exclusively deals with ‘lesbian acts’, there is a broad verse which deals with lewdness (fahisha) on the part of women in particular. This verse immediately precedes the verse which deals exclusively with men (4:16).

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“Those who commit lewdness / immorality (fahishata) from your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or God ordains for them [another] way.

I have argued previously that given the reference is to the plurality of women (3 or more - nisāikum) and the nature of the retribution stipulated (house arrest), this matter possibly covers prostitution [1]. It is interesting to note that the mention is of the broad term ‘fahisha’ [2] which is a non-specific term covering the entire remit of ‘lewdness’ rather than ‘zina’, which is a specific reference to fornication or adultery. Therefore, it is quite possible that ‘fahisha’ (lewdness) in this context covers the broader services that a prostitute may offer.

Nonetheless, this does not mean that the scope of 'fahisha' excludes lesbian acts. As mentioned, the term covers all lewd acts that the Quran deems inappropriate. This is evidenced with the threat of 'twice the punishment' that the prophet's wives would receive if they ever indulged in any form of 'fahisha' (33:30). This verse also proves that no-one was exempt from 'capacity/capability' and that those who had received a manifestation of the truth would be held accountable to a greater standard of answerability.

However, the Quran generally takes the approach to define the scope of 'permissibility' which then by logical deduction, would exclude all else.

Ergo - The Quran rejects any physical intimacy outside the confines of holy matrimony (the sacred covenant of legitimate wedlock) which it only accepts as lawful between a man and a woman. Any sexual pursuits by any gender outside this restricted ambit are considered a transgression by the Quran.

This would include adultery, fornication, homosexual acts, lesbian acts, incest, prostitution etc. These acts are all outside the remit of legitimate wedlock and hence, forbidden by the Quran for believers.





Some acts attract specific punishments in Quranic law (such as fornication/adultery 24:2), whilst others do not (other acts which the Quran deems indecent outside wedlock). However, non-consensual sexual acts such as rape arguably attract a greater severity of retribution which I have discussed in another post [3]

Finally, if I respectfully may, I would like to make a few additional points from a Quran's perspective which may be of further interest to you and other readers.

As I intimated in my article that you mention [4], It is not necessarily the 'inclination' (or as some would interpret - 'temptation') which is the 'sin' from a Quranic perspective, but the act.

As a crude example, one may have inclinations to commit an adulterous act with another man's wife, but it is the ability to restrain which is the key. A powerful example of this is Prophet Joseph's encounter with his master's wife. She certainly was in awe of him and desired him. However, there was one moment, one powerful moment, where Prophet Joseph nearly inclined to her. The Quran captures the split moment in which one recognises that they are inclining towards evil / a transgression and the arguments that suddenly come into one's mind. Many would undoubtedly fail, but here, Prophet Joseph succeeded.

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He said: "O my Lord! The prison is dearer / more beloved (ahabbu) to me than that to which they invite me. And unless You turn away their plot from me, I will incline (yasbu) towards them and be of the foolish / ignorant."

The verb 'Saba' (yasbu) means to incline to or to yearn towards something. This term exquisitely captures the challenges all humans face in the face of heightened emotions in such a context. Here Prophet Joseph was no different. He too was subject to the same battles that all humans endure in the face of such a situation.

"And certainly she did desire him and he would have desired her, if he had not seen the proof / arguments of His Lord..." (12:24)


I hope this helps, God willing.

Regards,
Joseph


REFERENCES:

[1] THE QURAN ON HOMOSEXUALITY
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=319.0
[2] WHAT IS LEWDNESS/SEXUAL IMMORALITY?
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=69.msg182#msg182
[3] RAPE
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=314.0
[4] HOMOSEXUALITY
http://quransmessage.com/articles/homosexuality%20FM3.htm



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Peace Mohammed,

From what I can gather from your response, you have been unable to provide any evidence for Adam's son's crime that warranted his death / murder.

When I say 'wholly innocent', I mean in the context of him being murdered. I do not imply that he had never committed a sin in his entire life. From what you appear to be suggesting, it means that every person that is murdered for one reason or another, deserves it. With respect, I cannot support your perspective as this would make a mock of so many Quranic narratives and themes for me.

Therefore, please kindly let us conclude this discussion, God willing. The respected readership can make up their own minds.

Regards,
Joseph


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General Discussions / Re: Plastic Surgery
« on: May 29, 2019, 02:20:01 PM »
Dear All,

Please kindly note that a separate thread has been created from this point on and entitled: "Was Adam's Murdered Son Guilty or Innocent?"

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2746.0

Please kindly feel free to continue any dialogue relevant to this topic (Plastic surgery) on this thread.

Regards,
Joseph

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salaam,

I asked you evidence from the Qur’an not from Joseph Islam’s article!!! Where did the Qur’an say he was wholly innocent?
Months ago on another thread, I mentioned the same issue!

peace brother Joseph, Why are you still publishing that? Do you have any evidence for your claim?


Peace Mohammed,

Admittedly, I am a little surprised that you have chosen this matter to contend with. However, I will respond with a view to assist God willing.

Notwithstanding the following points:

  • There is no evidence from the Quran that Adam's son committed a crime for which death was warranted.
  • It appears from verses 5:27 that he was simply murdered out of jealousy as his sacrifice was acceptable and his sibling's wasn't. Therefore, the murder was unwarranted against an innocent soul.
  • In verse 5:28, Adam's son clearly expresses his fear of God not to transgress.
  • It is clear from verse 5:29 that to kill Adam's son, a sin would have to be committed intimating therefore, that he was innocent.
  • It is clear from verse 5:29 that if the murder took place, the murderer would become a wrongdoer, one who acts unjustly 'zalim'. It is only reasonable to posit that in order to become a 'zalim', one would have to commit a misdeed against an innocent party.
  • Verse 5:30 also confirms that after the murder took place, the murderer become of the losers (khasir). This again confirms the murdered son's innocence as his brother would not have become a 'khasir' had he not killed his innocent brother.
  • In verse 5:31, the son that committed the murder became repentant (nadima). There would arguably have been no need to become repentant if he had not killed an innocent soul.
  • The matter of killing an innocent human soul without cause was so grave, that a fundamental human law was established after this murder that the right to take life would only be permissible in 2 circumstances (5:32) (1) As a retribution for causing 'fasaad' (gross mischief / evil, beyond all bounds) in the land and (2) As a retribution for murder.

However, I only have one question for you.

The burden of proof is not with me to prove the innocence of Adam's murdered son from the Quran. Rather, the burden of proof is on you to prove his guilt. That is the fundamental tenet in any matter of jurisprudence (even from the Quran) where guilt needs to be proven. (i.e. Innocent until proven guilty).

Therefore with respect, please can you provide me unequivocal evidence from the Quran that Adam's murdered son was guilty.

Regards,
Joseph


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