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General Discussions / Re: one way The Quran exposes ...
Last post by Wakas - May 09, 2026, 03:53:31 PMDid you chatGPT that?
Remember chatGPT is only as good as what is fed into it, and for deep Quran analysis its hit and miss from my experience.
Have you actually read The Quran?
1) it works for the recipients at the time also. They would have used whatever was revealed to them e.g. if they had 2 chapters, then those 2 chapters would have to be understood holistically.
2) see 30:30. It is about potentiality. It can work for for everyone. Many bury it.
3) there is convergence on lots. Yes, billions of people will have, shock horror, different views on things. Proves nothing.
4) It doesn't say it is its only divine feature. Strawman.
5) Nope. Gives us a robust methodology:
https://www.quranvshadith.com/study-method.html
6) see (2) above. A person can be "good" but they are unlikely to be able to naturally incline to all that is good, e.g. from individual to collective societal rules etc. This is where Quran steps up. Natural inclination to good is awesome but it can only take you so far.
And as for that thread you linked to. I replied in it.
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Remember chatGPT is only as good as what is fed into it, and for deep Quran analysis its hit and miss from my experience.
Have you actually read The Quran?
1) it works for the recipients at the time also. They would have used whatever was revealed to them e.g. if they had 2 chapters, then those 2 chapters would have to be understood holistically.
2) see 30:30. It is about potentiality. It can work for for everyone. Many bury it.
3) there is convergence on lots. Yes, billions of people will have, shock horror, different views on things. Proves nothing.
4) It doesn't say it is its only divine feature. Strawman.
5) Nope. Gives us a robust methodology:
https://www.quranvshadith.com/study-method.html
6) see (2) above. A person can be "good" but they are unlikely to be able to naturally incline to all that is good, e.g. from individual to collective societal rules etc. This is where Quran steps up. Natural inclination to good is awesome but it can only take you so far.
And as for that thread you linked to. I replied in it.
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#12
General Discussions / Re: one way The Quran exposes ...
Last post by relearning - May 08, 2026, 05:12:20 PM #13
General Discussions / Re: one way The Quran exposes ...
Last post by relearning - May 08, 2026, 05:09:33 PMThe idea that the Quran acts as a "moral filter" revealing the reader's own disposition is an interesting one, but it raises several serious problems:
1. The Anachronism Problem
The "read the whole text holistically" method requires a complete, compiled book in the reader's hands. The first receivers had fragments, delivered over 23 years, orally, through a living prophet they could directly question. The holistic interpretive framework being proposed here is a medieval scholarly invention — it simply was not available to the people the revelation was actually addressed to. You cannot retroactively make it the correct reading method without admitting the text needed centuries of human infrastructure to become functional.
2. The Moral Filter Paradox
If the book only works correctly for people who already bring a good moral compass to it, it is preaching to the converted. Those who most need moral reformation will extract justifications for cruelty from the same text — and this framework calls that their fault, not the text's. A divine guide that only successfully guides the already-guided is not really guidance. It is confirmation.
3. The Convergence Failure
If the moral filter were genuinely working — separating sincere from insincere readers and guiding the sincere toward correct understanding — you would expect some convergence among good-faith readers over 1400 years. Instead we have hundreds of competing schools, sects, and interpretations, many held by people of undeniable sincerity and deep scholarly dedication. The filter has not filtered.
4. The Universality Problem
The video's own closing point — that any complex text reveals the reader's disposition — applies equally to Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, or any sufficiently rich human text. If that is the Quran's distinguishing divine feature, it is neither distinguishing nor divine. It is simply what complex texts do.
5. The Justice Inversion
Placing the entire interpretive burden on the reader's moral quality quietly absolves the text of all responsibility for how it has been used throughout history. Centuries of slavery, oppression, and violence justified by this text become solely the moral failure of readers — never evidence of textual ambiguity or inadequacy. That is a remarkably convenient arrangement for the text, and a remarkably harsh one for humanity.
6. The Circular Premise
The framework assumes the receiver must already be a morally inclined person for the book to work as intended. But this raises a question that the argument cannot answer cleanly: is this a divine text that guides people — bad, average, and good alike? Or does it only work for people who are already good? And if the latter, does guidance make any real difference at all? People were already going to be who they are. The book then becomes not a transformer of human character but a mirror of it — which returns us to the question of what exactly is divine about that function.
1. The Anachronism Problem
The "read the whole text holistically" method requires a complete, compiled book in the reader's hands. The first receivers had fragments, delivered over 23 years, orally, through a living prophet they could directly question. The holistic interpretive framework being proposed here is a medieval scholarly invention — it simply was not available to the people the revelation was actually addressed to. You cannot retroactively make it the correct reading method without admitting the text needed centuries of human infrastructure to become functional.
2. The Moral Filter Paradox
If the book only works correctly for people who already bring a good moral compass to it, it is preaching to the converted. Those who most need moral reformation will extract justifications for cruelty from the same text — and this framework calls that their fault, not the text's. A divine guide that only successfully guides the already-guided is not really guidance. It is confirmation.
3. The Convergence Failure
If the moral filter were genuinely working — separating sincere from insincere readers and guiding the sincere toward correct understanding — you would expect some convergence among good-faith readers over 1400 years. Instead we have hundreds of competing schools, sects, and interpretations, many held by people of undeniable sincerity and deep scholarly dedication. The filter has not filtered.
4. The Universality Problem
The video's own closing point — that any complex text reveals the reader's disposition — applies equally to Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, or any sufficiently rich human text. If that is the Quran's distinguishing divine feature, it is neither distinguishing nor divine. It is simply what complex texts do.
5. The Justice Inversion
Placing the entire interpretive burden on the reader's moral quality quietly absolves the text of all responsibility for how it has been used throughout history. Centuries of slavery, oppression, and violence justified by this text become solely the moral failure of readers — never evidence of textual ambiguity or inadequacy. That is a remarkably convenient arrangement for the text, and a remarkably harsh one for humanity.
6. The Circular Premise
The framework assumes the receiver must already be a morally inclined person for the book to work as intended. But this raises a question that the argument cannot answer cleanly: is this a divine text that guides people — bad, average, and good alike? Or does it only work for people who are already good? And if the latter, does guidance make any real difference at all? People were already going to be who they are. The book then becomes not a transformer of human character but a mirror of it — which returns us to the question of what exactly is divine about that function.
#14
General Discussions / one way The Quran exposes who ...
Last post by Wakas - May 08, 2026, 04:31:56 AMA simple yet powerful concept:
#15
Islamic Duties / Re: When the Qur’an commands H...
Last post by Wakas - May 05, 2026, 05:32:46 AMit is self obligated, see 2:197
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
You are the one who determines it, on topic video e.g.
https://youtu.be/2dJ2dw10UEg
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
You are the one who determines it, on topic video e.g.
https://youtu.be/2dJ2dw10UEg
#16
Islamic Duties / When the Qur’an commands Hajj ...
Last post by shahrukhkhan - May 01, 2026, 11:14:51 PMThe Qur'an makes Hajj obligatory only for those who are able to undertake it.
But in today's context, "ability" can mean different things: financial cost, physical health, safety, visa restrictions, or even responsibilities at home.
How should we understand this condition properly?
Is it just financial and physical ability, or does it include modern-day factors as well?
But in today's context, "ability" can mean different things: financial cost, physical health, safety, visa restrictions, or even responsibilities at home.
How should we understand this condition properly?
Is it just financial and physical ability, or does it include modern-day factors as well?
#17
General Discussions / DEAR LORD....
Last post by relearning - April 30, 2026, 06:22:30 PMDear Lord,
Allow me to finish this letter that seems to have been left incomplete.
How are you? I hope you are fine. If you ask about humanity — of course you already know, you don't need me to tell you, but I want to anyway — well, it has been quite a long time since you last sent a book and a prophet. One thousand four hundred years, to be precise. And in that gap, humanity has made enormous progress. We are more civilized, more modern. Slavery has been abolished — I know that was something you wanted, it is there between the lines, we just needed a few millennia to figure it out.
We have also developed entirely new ways of communication, far more advanced than a single book delivered by a single messenger. The internet age, my Lord! With these new tools, it is now possible — quite literally — to reach every human being you created. Every single one. I thought you should know.
I also suspect it bothers you — and I say this with the greatest respect — that so many people, in every age, have made careers out of interpreting your words. Building fame, authority, and comfortable incomes by declaring this is the correct reading, this is what pleases you. And it must sadden you that your book, though perfectly clear perhaps to the first Arabic villagers you addressed, has since produced countless competing creeds, each fighting the others for your approval, each certain they alone have your ear.
So allow me to humbly offer a solution.
A Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter account, my Lord. Think about it. You could personalize your message to anyone you wish — and that is what you want, is it not? You love every creature uniquely. Why burden them all with one book when you could have the pleasure of private messaging each of them, whenever you wish, whenever they need you? This would surely increase the number of people finding their way to heaven, which I know is your preference.
And please, do not worry about hell sitting empty. You, as an all-powerful and endlessly compassionate God, could create a category of beings who genuinely enjoy it. Nothing is impossible for you, my Lord. It seems like a reasonable arrangement.
You happy. We happy. Satan sad. I cannot think of anything better than that.
Yours sincerely,
Your everlasting humble servant.
Allow me to finish this letter that seems to have been left incomplete.
How are you? I hope you are fine. If you ask about humanity — of course you already know, you don't need me to tell you, but I want to anyway — well, it has been quite a long time since you last sent a book and a prophet. One thousand four hundred years, to be precise. And in that gap, humanity has made enormous progress. We are more civilized, more modern. Slavery has been abolished — I know that was something you wanted, it is there between the lines, we just needed a few millennia to figure it out.
We have also developed entirely new ways of communication, far more advanced than a single book delivered by a single messenger. The internet age, my Lord! With these new tools, it is now possible — quite literally — to reach every human being you created. Every single one. I thought you should know.
I also suspect it bothers you — and I say this with the greatest respect — that so many people, in every age, have made careers out of interpreting your words. Building fame, authority, and comfortable incomes by declaring this is the correct reading, this is what pleases you. And it must sadden you that your book, though perfectly clear perhaps to the first Arabic villagers you addressed, has since produced countless competing creeds, each fighting the others for your approval, each certain they alone have your ear.
So allow me to humbly offer a solution.
A Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter account, my Lord. Think about it. You could personalize your message to anyone you wish — and that is what you want, is it not? You love every creature uniquely. Why burden them all with one book when you could have the pleasure of private messaging each of them, whenever you wish, whenever they need you? This would surely increase the number of people finding their way to heaven, which I know is your preference.
And please, do not worry about hell sitting empty. You, as an all-powerful and endlessly compassionate God, could create a category of beings who genuinely enjoy it. Nothing is impossible for you, my Lord. It seems like a reasonable arrangement.
You happy. We happy. Satan sad. I cannot think of anything better than that.
Yours sincerely,
Your everlasting humble servant.
#18
Posts on Facebook / Re: Quransmessage.com Website ...
Last post by fireheart47 - April 23, 2026, 10:30:58 AMWa-aleykum as-salam wa-rahmat-ullahi wa-barakatah Joseph,
Yes, I can connect to https://quransmessage.com and all its articles, from Wisconsin, USA.
Thank you for all your work. Your website is a miracle to me and such a beautiful contribution to humanity.
May God bless you for your good deeds.
Are you the admin for https://quranmessage.com or http://allahsquran.com ?
I love that website too, because of its simpler retro form and layout. The image-based text seems like a good protection against subtle changes, which I have found on https://islamicity.org/quran
However, the search function on allahsquran.com produces unexpected results. For example, if I query 'peace' on the search category 'All Chapters' it returns as a black screen. I learned now that if I wait long enough, it will show the results eventually.
May God protect and sustain you.
Peace and blessings be upon you,
Fireheart47
Yes, I can connect to https://quransmessage.com and all its articles, from Wisconsin, USA.
Thank you for all your work. Your website is a miracle to me and such a beautiful contribution to humanity.
May God bless you for your good deeds.
Are you the admin for https://quranmessage.com or http://allahsquran.com ?
I love that website too, because of its simpler retro form and layout. The image-based text seems like a good protection against subtle changes, which I have found on https://islamicity.org/quran
However, the search function on allahsquran.com produces unexpected results. For example, if I query 'peace' on the search category 'All Chapters' it returns as a black screen. I learned now that if I wait long enough, it will show the results eventually.
May God protect and sustain you.
Peace and blessings be upon you,
Fireheart47
#19
Posts on Facebook / Re: Quransmessage.com Website ...
Last post by Wakas - April 23, 2026, 06:21:21 AMpeace brother,
Working fine from the UK.
ps - have you read my latest book?
https://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg15056#msg15056
Working fine from the UK.
ps - have you read my latest book?
https://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg15056#msg15056
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