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Salaam all
I would appreciate if one could point me a verses/verses that clearly show salaah as an act of worship by bowing, prostrating, standing and reciting from the Quran

I do believe there are almost 100 derivative uses of the root word salah and not being either Arabic speaking nor a scholar I would appreciate any help.

Jzk. And kind regards
Wa alaikum assalam

As I trust you will kindly appreciate, my remit of interpretation would be primarily governed by the extent of the verse. Therefore, that particular statement [1] was made in context of verse 24:31 which governs ‘al-muminati’ (believing women).

With regards your second paragraph, I have admitted the sentiment ‘respect to prevailing customs’ in the same article [2] where I accept a balance needs to be struck whilst remaining intentionally non-committal to ‘what’ coverage would exactly entail. Therefore on a personal level, I would have no qualms in accepting your comment as fair and reasonable, particularly with focus on your comment which I’ve emphasised in bold.

“…or also accept different styles where some hair is exposed (but still looks completely decent) in some cultures such as Pakistan. I mean a "dupatta"

I hope that helps, God willing


[2] Ibid
Asamalunalaykum Mr Joseph,

I have a short question. You said in your article that if someone feels "bedecking their hair" comes under zeenah it should be carefully considered.
Do you also include men in this? As men's hair can also be a cause of attraction? And of course, I mean a hat or turban or skull cap instead of a headscarf.

As for headscarf, do you mean the modern day "every hair should be covered" or also accept different styles where some hair is exposed (but still looks completely decent) in some cultures such as Pakistan. I mean a "dupatta"

Islamic Duties / Re: praying
« Last post by Duster on October 04, 2018, 01:11:41 PM »
Shalom / peace ... No fixed method as usual form can't be met.... Just do the best one can. Two excellent articles from brother Joseph that might help:


Also see verse: 2.238-239. Brother Joseph picks this up in the following article:
Islamic Duties / praying
« Last post by questionsislam on October 04, 2018, 08:42:00 AM »
how would one go about praying in a car?
Thank you.
General Discussions / Bayyinah Rasool
« Last post by Student on October 04, 2018, 03:11:31 AM »
Salaamun Alaykum,

Did Sir Joseph discuss 98:1,2,4 anywhere? Who's the Rasool in 98:2- the messenger of the Quran or some Rasool after Quran's revelation?
Does ootoo alkitaba includes Quran believers (Muslims) too?

General Discussions / Re: Fast till sunset or darkness
« Last post by Wakas on September 28, 2018, 09:46:29 PM »
what i find very odd is that both the people who believe that we must break our fast at night and those who believe we must break it at sunset   use the exact same verses / terminology of the koran to explain  two  totally different points of view.

I agree that one must do the research for oneself then decide for oneself but when faced with the above situation you describe I sometimes find it helpful to make a pros/cons list for each side of the argument to see how it stacks up. Then simply total up the pros/cons, the unanswered questions, the number of assumptions each argument has etc. Makes it easier.

Sometimes there can be a smoking gun, e.g. in this thread:

General Discussions / Re: How do Quranists deal with the different versions of the Quran?
« Last post by Wakas on September 28, 2018, 09:29:15 PM »
A commonly stated argument by those who wish to raise traditional hearsay/ahadith to divine-status level is that its compilation was the same as The Quran.

Is that really true? Lets look at the simple and obvious facts...

The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's word

The Quran = 100% fact/truth/perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)

The Quran = recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad

The Quran = written AND memorised word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no-one ever claimed to record and memorise ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted

The Quran = protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated

The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones etc

The Quran = in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find inconsistancy, bring a chapter like it etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistancies etc.
Women / Re: Husband can beat ( not severe ) his wife
« Last post by Wakas on September 28, 2018, 09:23:32 PM »

Firstly, 'Cite' as English............

Before I reply, can you confirm you have understood what is meant by "cite them" as per

Based on your reply I'm not sure you have understood what it meant. In case you haven't, I will quote below with a clarification:


The men are supporters/maintainers of the women with what God bestowed on some of them over others and with what they spent of their money, so the righteous women are dutiful; guardians to the unseen with what God guarded. And as for those women you fear their disloyalty, then: (first) you shall advise them, and (second) abandon them in the bed, and (lastly) cite them. So if they obeyed you, then seek not against them a way; Truly, God is High, Great. [4:34]
And if you (authority) feared a rift between them two, then appoint a judge from his family and a judge from hers. If they both want to reconcile, then God will bring agreement between them. God is Knowledgeable, Expert. [4:35]

Part in bold underline refers to citing them (i.e. the spouse) to the authority for arbitration which is continued in the next verse 4:35.
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