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General Discussions / Re: Those who guard their Furuwj (tear[weakness]/private parts) – 70:29
« on: February 12, 2016, 04:41:57 PM »
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Unfortunately, it seems you have missed my point - there may be no fall to begin with.And I take your opinion, actually the verse is not indicating prostrate on chins. It is a phrase. In out language, It means to be completely submissive with showing humiliation by falling the head down. Its like the phrase "cats & dogs". I hope you would understand. Cant have better word in English.
Your original post was an either/or logical fallacy.
In any case, you seem to be saying: if we take it as a literal physical fall, then is the chosen meaning of SJD as prostration to the chin or forehead?
Quran clearly says chin.
An interesting question to then ponder is would you be perfectly comfortable doing prostration to the chin personally, and in the company of others? If one is hesitant or the answer is no, then that might be worrying considering Quran seems to imply it is perfectly fine, and it would be one of very few explicitly approved physical manifestations of how to SJD.
It's not as simple as that.Thanks for the info, But
The phrase in 17:107 "fall to the chin SJD" is seen by most as an idiom, describing the manner of the SJD.
The idiom "fall to the chin" (as also used in 17:109) means with extreme humility. Quote:QuoteProfessor Mustansir Mir in "Verbal Idioms of The Quran", cites "fall to the chin" as a verbal idiom implying extreme humility, for the chin represents pride, it is something to be held high, and to fall down on one's chin is to abase oneself, and when used in The Quran means to humble oneself before God, and cites Classical Arabic poem by Imru al-Qays about how mighty trees were humbled by a strong downpour of rain, and they "fell to the chin". It is unlikely a tree would actually fall down due to a heavy downpour of rain, but it is possible to take it as a physicall fall.Source.
Salaam all,regarding head cover, I see middle of this article expresses very logical approach. Please check, http://www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/hijab_niqab.html
I am sure that you have all read Joseph's article regarding covering.
Taking all the verses into consideration, I hold the view that the hair is part of a woman's zeenat and should be covered..not strictly every strand though and not only with a headscarf as hats would suffice too.
In order to take into consideration the many different cultural dresses, the Quran doesn't stipulate a particular style of clothing.
So what I understand is that the clothing should not be tight, arms and legs should be covered but 3/4 sleeves would be acceptable too. A must would be some sort of additional covering for the bosom. Also if you were to wear western dress then long tops that cover the bottom would be required in order to fulfill the instruction and jeans etc should not be tight fitting.