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Peace Ahmad.

Those who have been misled will blame those who misled them and vise versa..

One version:

Mutual Blaming

They will come to each other, questioning and blaming one another.

وَأَقبَلَ بَعضُهُم عَلىٰ بَعضٍ يَتَساءَلونَ

They will say (to their leaders), "You used to come to us from the right side."

قالوا إِنَّكُم كُنتُم تَأتونَنا عَنِ اليَمينِ

They will respond, "It is you who were not believers.

قالوا بَل لَم تَكونوا مُؤمِنينَ

"We never had any power over you; it is you who were wicked.

وَما كانَ لَنا عَلَيكُم مِن سُلطٰنٍ بَل كُنتُم قَومًا طٰغينَ

"We justly incurred our Lord's judgment; now we have to suffer.

فَحَقَّ عَلَينا قَولُ رَبِّنا إِنّا لَذائِقونَ

"We misled you, only because we were astray."

فَأَغوَينٰكُم إِنّا كُنّا غٰوينَ

Thus, together they will all partake of the retribution on that day.

فَإِنَّهُم يَومَئِذٍ فِى العَذابِ مُشتَرِكونَ

This is how we requite the guilty.

إِنّا كَذٰلِكَ نَفعَلُ بِالمُجرِمينَ

Another version:

They Followed Their Parents Blindly

They found their parents astray.

إِنَّهُم أَلفَوا ءاباءَهُم ضالّينَ

And they blindly followed in their footsteps.

فَهُم عَلىٰ ءاثٰرِهِم يُهرَعونَ

Most of the previous generations have strayed in the same manner.

وَلَقَد ضَلَّ قَبلَهُم أَكثَرُ الأَوَّلينَ

We have sent to them warners.

وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا فيهِم مُنذِرينَ

Note the consequences for those who have been warned.

فَانظُر كَيفَ كانَ عٰقِبَةُ المُنذَرينَ

So it is a very serious matter. Do not follow blindly ,check and ponder GOD s word.[17:36].

The consequence is frightening.

GOD bless you.

Islamic Duties / Re: What is the real meaning of sola/salat?
« on: April 04, 2014, 02:31:21 AM »
Greetings adam.

Thank you for your reply.

Please forgive me for being direct with the following:

1- I do not care what one wants to call it, Sola, Sala, Salat,... Where it means a connection to the creator, it is just that. GOD has instructed us to prepare( Ablution in 5:6) before we do Sola.Sala, Salat... at specific times daily as part of our belief to seek Him alone for help/advice/thanks... and connect with Him to improve our relationship with our creator..

2- Where Sola,Sala,Salat...does not mean the special connection prayer, it is also clear that it means support/ GOD s creations and system.

You have to study Qoran and ponder all its verses, asking His author to help you understand it and live by its instructions and commands. That decision has to be from you with sincerity and dedication to your creator.Then I have no doubt that the confusion and doubts will start to disappear and Qoran will start to become clearer and clearer to you as you get closer and closer to your creator.

May GOD help and bless you.

Islamic Duties / Re: What is the real meaning of sola/salat?
« on: April 03, 2014, 01:17:38 AM »
Greetings adam.

What is your view of:


O you who believe, when you observe Salat, you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. .... If you are ill, or traveling, ..., and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. God does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.

يٰأَيُّهَا الَّذينَ ءامَنوا إِذا قُمتُم إِلَى الصَّلوٰةِ فَاغسِلوا وُجوهَكُم وَأَيدِيَكُم إِلَى المَرافِقِ وَامسَحوا بِرُءوسِكُم وَأَرجُلَكُم إِلَى الكَعبَينِ وَإِن كُنتُم جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّروا وَإِن كُنتُم مَرضىٰ أَو عَلىٰ سَفَرٍ أَو جاءَ أَحَدٌ مِنكُم مِنَ الغائِطِ أَو لٰمَستُمُ النِّساءَ فَلَم تَجِدوا ماءً فَتَيَمَّموا صَعيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامسَحوا بِوُجوهِكُم وَأَيديكُم مِنهُ ما يُريدُ اللَّهُ لِيَجعَلَ عَلَيكُم مِن حَرَجٍ وَلٰكِن يُريدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُم وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعمَتَهُ عَلَيكُم لَعَلَّكُم تَشكُرونَ

 What are we preparing for? a commitment...etc?.

I personally believe when Qoran says: "Aquimi Salat" it means some sort of action to connect with the creator?
I also agree " sala/t" could mean support/commit... in other verses.

GOD bless you.

Greetings Sardar.

I hope you find " GOD" with capital letters in all the contents. If there are mistakes I apologise in advance.

Thank you for letting me know.

May the Lord forgive me for making such a mistake.

GOD bless you.

Greetings Sardar.

I got cut off from my last post.

I meant to add:

GOD bless you.


Greetings Sardar.

I have a website but no forum. People can leave a comment or ask a question.

I should not really call it mine. I just call to GOD Alone. The rest is up to GOD.

Here is the reason, :

Does your religion divide itself into factions/groups/sects?

If you do not have a religion, who are you loyal to?

Who has the truth? Does it matter? What is the truth?

How do you know ?

General Discussions / Re: verse 86:5-7
« on: February 22, 2014, 02:07:41 AM »
Greetings Sardar.

Do you mean the following  website?:

I have not written any new articles in this website for a while, may be in the future GOD willing.

I tend to advise others to study Qoran, mainly.

Also I am sure if you search the internet , you will find more GOD Alone websites.

Thank you for asking.
GOD bless you.

General Discussions / Re: verse 86:5-7
« on: February 21, 2014, 02:18:18 PM »
Greetings Abbsrayray.

I agree. However there is nothing wrong with reading information, if we check and disregard what is false/ rubbish...

GOD has thrown the truth( Qoran) at falsehood ( Most of man made stuff/books...which  is nonsense and conjecture) and it is giving it a big hit ( It will be shown up) ...

As long as we keep using the Qoran as a guide to check our information (If GOD is not diverting us from His truth), we will be fine.

GOD bless you.

General Discussions / Re: verse 86:5-7
« on: February 20, 2014, 03:19:06 PM »
Greetings Abbsrayray.

Here is an explanation to have a look at if you wish?

Check all information as per [17:36]

GOD bless you.

Prophets and Messengers / Re: Prophet Joseph's Reliance on Allah
« on: February 19, 2014, 03:13:19 AM »
Greetings Optimist.

Thank you for wanting more clarification.

I also agree with Truth seeker that if Joseph slipped up ,he would have repented and that is the end of that.

However i explained my understanding giving you my reasons.

The problem I see is that we do not accept that messengers err/slip up... why?

They are humans and GOD tells us that they do slip up , make mistakes... like:

"Throw down your staff." When he saw it moving like a demon, he turned around and fled. "O Moses, do not be afraid. My messengers shall not fear.

وَأَلقِ عَصاكَ فَلَمّا رَءاها تَهتَزُّ كَأَنَّها جانٌّ وَلّىٰ مُدبِرًا وَلَم يُعَقِّب يٰموسىٰ لا تَخَف إِنّى لا يَخافُ لَدَىَّ المُرسَلونَ
"Except those who commit a "zulm", then substitute righteousness after sinning; I am Forgiving, Most Merciful.

إِلّا مَن ظَلَمَ ثُمَّ بَدَّلَ حُسنًا بَعدَ سوءٍ فَإِنّى غَفورٌ رَحي

If they did not, GOD would not have said it.

I am going to close my side of this conversation , with respect to you brother and all the brothers and sisters.

I am also going to clarify my respect for all GOD s messengers. I have no doubt that if they erred ,they would have repented and their devotion to GOD would have grown stronger.
I am also going to add that I do not know except what my Lord allows me to know. I can err also. Please check all information as per {17:36}.

I also respect your view, you are entitled to your understanding  brother.If we agree to disagree now ,may be we can learn from each other and who knows in the future?

Above every knowledgeable one, there is another more knowledgeable and and above all is the Lord.

GOD bless you and thank you.


Prophets and Messengers / Re: Prophet Joseph's Reliance on Allah
« on: February 18, 2014, 04:10:27 AM »
Greetings Optimist.

You are asking me in general terms. I cannot answer as each individual is different. GOD s trial is done according to GOD s knowledge.

How long is the trial, what kind of trial, when ... is up to GOD.

All I know is once you pass the trial, you attain certainty about GOD and you come under GOD s protection.GOD will redeem you, a total redemption.

Of course ,because you are human, you age and you die or you die when your interim is over.
GOD knows us inside out.How he shapes each individual s life is up to GOD.
Anything that happens on earth, or to you, has already been recorded, even before the creation. This is easy for God to do.

ما أَصابَ مِن مُصيبَةٍ فِى الأَرضِ وَلا فى أَنفُسِكُم إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ مِن قَبلِ أَن نَبرَأَها إِنَّ ذٰلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسيرٌ

Thus, you should not grieve over anything you miss, nor be proud of anything He has bestowed upon you....

لِكَيلا تَأسَوا عَلىٰ ما فاتَكُم وَلا تَفرَحوا بِما ءاتىٰكُم وَاللَّهُ لا يُحِبُّ كُلَّ مُختالٍ فَخورٍ

GOD bless.

Prophets and Messengers / Re: Prophet Joseph's Reliance on Allah
« on: February 18, 2014, 12:23:17 AM »
Greetings Optimist.

Thank you for your comments.

From what I understand Joseph choose to go to prison. It was his own choice:

He said, "My Lord, the prison is better than giving in to them. Unless You divert their scheming from me, I may desire them and behave like the ignorant ones."

قالَ رَبِّ السِّجنُ أَحَبُّ إِلَىَّ مِمّا يَدعونَنى إِلَيهِ وَإِلّا تَصرِف عَنّى كَيدَهُنَّ أَصبُ إِلَيهِنَّ وَأَكُن مِنَ الجٰهِلينَ

His Lord answered his prayer and diverted their scheming from him. He is the Hearer
فَاستَجابَ لَهُ رَبُّهُ فَصَرَفَ عَنهُ كَيدَهُنَّ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ

Your second point:

If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.
مَن كانَ يَظُنُّ أَن لَن يَنصُرَهُ اللَّهُ فِى الدُّنيا وَالـٔاخِرَةِ فَليَمدُد بِسَبَبٍ إِلَى السَّماءِ ثُمَّ ليَقطَع فَليَنظُر هَل يُذهِبَنَّ كَيدُهُ ما يَغيظُ

Providing we stay loyal and devoted to GOD alone.

Of course GOD will try us first. Do we think we can just say we believe without going through the trial to bring out our true conviction?

GOD bless you.

Prophets and Messengers / Re: Prophet Joseph's Reliance on Allah
« on: February 17, 2014, 05:00:00 PM »
Greetings Optimist.

Thank you moderators for splitting the topics.

We must ponder Qoran . GOD asks that we verify all information.

Optimist, like you, I used to understand the verse about Joseph as you explained. However on further studies/pondering I now understand it differently.

Let me explain the reasons for this:

1-  The main question that prompted me to search further  was- Why would Joseph stay few more years in prison because someone else forgot to mention him to his lord? It did not seem just/fair?
2- Also GOD looks after the believers in this life and in the hereafter.

This is my current understanding of the verse;

First let me quote the following verses:

You shall not say that you will do anything in the future,
وَلا تَقولَنَّ لِشَا۟ىءٍ إِنّى فاعِلٌ ذٰلِكَ غَدًا

without saying, "God willing."* If you forget to do this, you must immediately remember your Lord and say, "May my Lord guide me to do better next time."
إِلّا أَن يَشاءَ اللَّهُ وَاذكُر رَبَّكَ إِذا نَسيتَ وَقُل عَسىٰ أَن يَهدِيَنِ رَبّى لِأَقرَبَ مِن هٰذا رَشَدً

When Joseph asked the companion to remember him to his master, could he have overlooked his Lord ( GOD) at that moment,  or may be not added " God willing"?.....

Throughout Qoran GOD tells us what others do/ of no consequence to us, providing we stay loyal and devoted to Him. Also he tells us " If bad happens to the believer it is from himself but if good happens it is from GOD".

GOD also tells us to remember Him day and night . if we slip up we ask for forgiveness and repent.

Joseph would have known all this, he was devoted to GOD Alone. But as humans we all slip up now and then.

A believer accepts everything that happens to him/her, good or bad, and does not put the blame on someone else. He/she knows to complain only to GOD. if bad befalls a believer, they should know it is from them, remembering GOD, asking for forgiveness and repenting is the solution.

GOD does not just tell a story, He teaches us a lesson from the story.

GOD also is consistent throughout Qoran. There are no contradictions in Qoran.

Of course you are entitled to your understanding also brother.

May the Lord teaches us knowledge and patience.

Thank you .

GOD bless .

Prophets and Messengers / Re: Re: Prophet Joseph's Reliance on Allah
« on: February 17, 2014, 06:22:39 AM »
Greetings Optimist.

Thank you for your post.

Or the " Hu" can  refer to Joseph, since " Falabitha" after it refer to Joseph?

Why not?

God bless you.

Prophets and Messengers / Re: Re: Prophet Joseph's Reliance on Allah
« on: February 16, 2014, 11:07:11 PM »
Peace Optimist.

I understand your explanation.

I agree "Rabb" means lord/master ... When it refers to a  human it can also mean a king/ruler...

You are saying all three fit the same " Rabb". I disagree with you on the third one.

GOD bless you.

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