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Salam

i can't say that the post surprised me- i know the thoughts from 'guided' muslims very well. My husband had similar thoughts before- he think, that the 'kafirs' stolen the money from the Arabs and that they has all right to take it back- in any way....
For him and others there is no problem to take money from 'kafirs' and 'kafir-countries' (as Switzerland also) without working and put this money in their own country and buy houses , shops etc...
They speak about such countries from 'dar al harb' - warplace and the inhabitants are enemies... and they are the good muslims under the shadow from Allah... it is just for crying) 
I praise God, that my husband turned a little bit and is willing now to give all this money back. IsA Allah will guide more to His path.
peace

[my Sustainer]

Salam all

before yesterday i was sure, that for a believer in Allah it is not permissible to call anybody beside Allah as Rabb.
After a discussion with my husband who says that this is normal and we can see this fact also in the Arabic language , the sustainer or provider for the household is transcribed with the same word...
I read also trough the Sura Youssuf and there we can see this very good:


translation Muhammad Asad

12:36 NOW two young men happened to go to prison at the same time as Joseph. One of them said: "Behold, I saw myself [in a dream] pressing wine." And the other said: "Behold, I saw myself [in a dream] carrying bread on my head, and birds were eating thereof." [And both entreated Joseph:] "Let us know the real meaning of this! Verily, we see that thou art one of those who know well [how to interpret dreams].
12:37 [Joseph] answered: "Ere there comes unto you the meal which you are [daily] fed, I shall have informed you of the real meaning of your dreams,37 [so that you might know what is to come] before it comes unto you: for this is [part] of the knowledge which my Sustainer has imparted to me. "Behold, I have left behind me the ways of people who do not believe in God,and who persistently refuse to acknowledge the truth of the life to come;

12:38 and I follow the creed of my forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is not conceivable that we should [be allowed to] ascribe divinity to aught beside God: this is [an outcome] of God's bounty unto us and unto all mankind39 -but most people are ungrateful.
12:39 "O my companions in imprisonment! Which is more reasonable:40 [belief in the existence of numerous divine] lords, each of them different from the other"41 -or [in] the One God, who holds absolute sway over all that exists?
12:40 "All that you worship instead of God is nothing but [empty] names which you have invented42 - you and your forefathers- [and] for which God has bestowed no warrant from on high. Judgment [as to what is right and what is wrong] rests with God alone-[and] He has ordained that you should worship nought but Him: this is the [one] ever-true faith; but most people know it not43
12:41 "[And now,] O my companions in imprisonment, [I shall tell you the meaning of your dreams:] as for one of you two, he will [again] give his lord [the King] wine to drink; but as for the other, he will be crucified, and birds will eat off his head. [But whatever be your future,] the matter on which you have asked me to enlighten you has been decided [by God]."
12:42 And [thereupon Joseph] said unto the one of the two whom he considered saved: "Mention me unto thy lord [when thou art free]!" But Satan caused him to forget to mention [Joseph] to his lord, and so he remained in prison a few [more] years.
12:43 AND [one day] the King said:44 Behold, I saw [in a dream] seven fat cows being devoured by seven emaciated ones, and seven green ears [of wheat] next to [seven] others that were withered. O you nobles! Enlighten me about [the meaning of] my dream, if you are able to interpret dreams!"
12:44 They answered: " [This is one of] the most involved and confusing of dreams,45 and we have no deep knowledge of the real meaning of dreams."
12:45 At that, the one of the two [erstwhile prisoners] who had been saved, and [who suddenly] remembered [Joseph] after all that time,46 spoke [thus]: "It is I who can inform you of the real meaning of this [dream]; so let me go [in search of it]."

Note: all the bold words are RABB in the Arabic

Question:

1. 12:39"O my fellow inmates, are various lords better, or God, the One, the Omniscient?"   here we see
يصىحبى السجن [b]ءارباب[/b] متفرقون خير ام الله الوحد القهار
is this the plural from Rabb?? i asked my son, he said it is the plural from Rabib?

2. then we can conclude, that the word Rabb can be used for Sustainer / Provider/(teacher) and this is permissible? And that is only not permissible to take an ILAHI other as the One (ALLAH) ?

thank you all for help peace

[s]

Salam brother Josepf

you know, that i didn't want to be disrespectful- don't understand my post in this way

1 (a) Firstly, what is verse 80:13 referring to?

It is primarily referring to an earthly admonishment that the Prophet of God received. Please see preceding verses 80:1-12. Now where are these admonishments likely to be transcribed? In a heavenly tablet before the Prophet even made the oversight mentioned in 80:1 based on his 'choices' or was it transcribed later after the event had occurred by noble scribes into a tangible scripture as part of revelation?

I strongly feel that logic demands the latter, i.e. that scribes noted this 'admonishment' after the event occurred and it was revealed to the Prophet as part of Quranic inspiration.

2 (i)   80:13 'fi suhufin mukarrama' (Literally: In honoured leaves) The Arabic 'suhuf' has been referred to as a reference to the Quran in another verse (98:2). It is also used as tangible earthly scriptures such as in verses 20:133, 53:36, 74:52 and 87:18-19. Apart from the scrolls of our deeds (80:13), the usage of 'suhuf' (scrolls) to signify earthly tangible scripture is pretty conclusive in my opinion.  Furthermore, the verb 'karrama' (to honour, or one who is honoured) has been used in an earthly sense (17:62; 17:72).

(ii) 80:14 'marfu'atin mutahhara' kept pure / holy / exalted / purified - This can apply to the Quran as well as a Heavenly Tablet. Using 80:14 on its own is inconclusive.

thank you for your exact replies with Quranic reverences. 17.72 should be 17.70 as i saw when i read the Ayas. Your mentioned points are strong and i accept your conclusion.

(iii) 80:15 'bi'aydi safara' (Literally: 'written by the hands / in the hands' (of) scribes. This is a very explicit reference. Unless anyone can provide clear, unequivocal evidence from the Quran (not philosophical, metaphorical interpretations) that angels are 'scribes' or have 'physical hands' that need to transcribe in this manner, then these are earthly human hands being referred to here. If God can mention that angels have wings (35:1), the Quran could have clearly mentioned that angels also have hands and are described as 'scribes' (safarah). Angels have only been mentioned as 'katibin' (82:11) (those that record ones deeds) not 'scribes' (safarah). Such a description is generally noted for humans.

i checked the word safar- the Root and its meanings and i read in the Lanes lexicon-

striking for me is that the word safar always expresses a generic movement, from one place to another. Be it the journey or the woman who takes away her veil or the sun moves over the sky until it turns yellow (asfar).
Lane write also that Messengers can be meant by that word  that that will bring peace, even angels. Sure there was a short in one sentence the translation Scribes- but I can hardly accept this- it is going out the logic.(for me )

the word Hand is often used in the Quran as an Allegoric for power or also to describe anything what is co-existent. I think here for the 'between his hand'  or 2.66 fa ja'lnaha nakalan bayna yadaiha wa ma chalfaha... to describe a time or in 2.79 to describe an act.
We see the word together with the power of Allah in the aya al kursi. Allah sure don't has hands.

So it's quite possible, that the term aydi safara means - in the hand of messengers/traveler/ voyagers
this sure can include humans but also could be angels who voyages between Allah and the humans and brings the messages from Allah to the humans.(as sister hope said -thank you

i see two possibilities:
1. the description in Sura Abasa means the al kitab (by Allah) which is written and always pure in the 'hand' power from noble messengers/voyagers , i.e. the angels who transfer the content or parts from this scriptures on earth
2. the description in Sura Abasa means the quranic sheets which are written by noble scribes (as messenger(s) or sahabis?
but the second explanation lead to the conclusion, that the 'noble companions' from Prophet Muhammad have written the revelation from the prophet - because the safara is plural??
So i tend to the first possibility- or i overlook again somethin important or i conclude false.
peace and thank you

[it]

Salam
i read a little bit about the compilation from the quran and i struggled over the verse 80.11


kallā
Nay!      AVR – aversion particle
حرف ردع
(80:11:2)
innahā
Indeed, it      ACC – accusative particle
PRON – 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun
حرف نصب و«ها» ضمير متصل في محل نصب اسم «ان»
(80:11:3)
tadhkiratun
(is) a reminder,      N – nominative feminine indefinite (form II) verbal noun
اسم مرفوع
(80:12:1)
faman
So whosoever      REM – prefixed resumption particle
COND – conditional noun
الفاء استئنافية
اسم شرط
(80:12:2)
shāa
wills      V – 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
فعل ماض
(80:12:3)
dhakarahu
may remember it.      V – 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
PRON – 3rd person masculine singular object pronoun
فعل ماض والهاء ضمير متصل في محل نصب مفعول به
(80:13:1)
fī
In      P – preposition
حرف جر
(80:13:2)
ṣuḥufin
sheets      N – genitive feminine plural indefinite noun
اسم مجرور
(80:13:3)
mukarramatin
honored,      ADJ – genitive feminine plural indefinite (form II) passive participle
صفة مجرورة
(80:14:1)
marfūʿatin
Exalted,      ADJ – genitive feminine plural indefinite passive participle
صفة مجرورة
(80:14:2)
muṭahharatin
purified,      ADJ – genitive feminine plural indefinite (form II) passive participle

(source: corpusquran.com)

we found in 80.11: inna- HA Indeed, it
and after    80.12 : dhakarahu may remember it.
in 56.73 we see the word jalnaha with the Pron. Ha (fem.)which refers to the fire.

the first pronom is feminine and the second masculine the two translated with it (as reverse to the Quran?)
After we found the term suhufi- the sheets; they are plural too and feminine
those sheets were written from  scribes Honorable and virtuous.( Kiramin bararatin)80:16

1 question: who are those scribes?? the interpretation from Joseph point to companions from the Prophet but maybe they are the angles? Because the sheets they are purified, honored and exalted- points to the kitab maknun in 56.78.
and in 56.79  La yamassuhu illa almutahharoona which none but the pure [of heart] can touch:
(but in Sura al A'la we found the suhufi from Ibrahim wa Musa-??)

the Quran is mentioned in 56.77  this Qur'an is a Noble Monograph. Innahu laqur-anun kareemun
the Quran inna-hu (masculine) is IN the kitabun maknun 56.78 which can only touches the pure ones.= the angles?

2.question: the sheets are from the kitabun maknun by Allah or on earth?
3. question:the innaha in 80.11 revers to what?

Conclusion;
- Quran in not the same as al kitab or al kitab maknun
-the Suhufi are the written revelations from God- the Quran is the purified form from the old sheets which were written from noble scribes?

I hope the post is not to much confusing.. always hard to write my thoughts in English

peace

[gardens beyond gardens beyond gardens in an endless vista, slightly varying in description, but all of them symbols of supreme bliss.]

Salam Brother Joseph and all

thank you for your answer. It helps a little bit when i understand you right, you point to the same fact  as M.Asad in his tafsir :

Muhammad Asad - End Note 28 (55:62)
Most of the commentators assume - not very convincingly - that the "two other gardens" are those to which believers of lesser merit will attain. As against this weak and somewhat arbitrary interpretation, it seems to me that the juxtaposition of "two other gardens" with the "two" previously mentioned is meant to convey the idea of infinity in connection with the concept of paradise as such: gardens beyond gardens beyond gardens in an endless vista, slightly varying in description, but all of them symbols of supreme bliss.

the fi-hinna as reverence to the 'gardens beyond gardens beyond gardens in an endless vista..." ?

so fi-hima : the two mentioned gardens
and fi- hinna: all the gardens
peace

Salam
thanks for the answers.

Salam
i have a question about Sura al baqara. We found there the instruction for  fasting. We read in 2.187  uhilla lakum lailata assiyam rafathu ila nisaaikum...
lailata is in singular- how this is possible, when the shahr ramadan contents many nights? Or is this 'normal' arabic grammatic??
thanks for clarification
peace

Salam
i read an interesting question in another forum- please anybody can bring light in the dark?? thanks!

Salaam,

I have a question about Sura AlRahmaan. InshaAllah someone can help me out.
Please take a looki at the next verses.

55:62  وَمِن دُونِهِمَا جَنَّتَانِ
55:63  فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
55:64  مُدْهَامَّتَانِ
55:65  فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
55:66  فِيهِمَا عَيْنَانِ نَضَّاخَتَانِ
55:67  فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
55:68  فِيهِمَا فَاكِهَةٌ وَنَخْلٌ وَرُمَّانٌ
55:69  فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
55:70 فِيهِنَّ خَيْرَاتٌ حِسَانٌ

The question is, why this switch 
Anyone any ideas.

Salaam,

There are still some questions.

55:68 فِيهِمَا فَاكِهَةٌ وَنَخْلٌ وَرُمَّانٌ

According to Corpus Quran we have the following:

فَاكِهَةٌ   : nominative feminine indefinite noun
وَنَخْلٌ    : nominative masculine  indefinite noun
وَرُمَّانٌ    : nominative masculine  indefinite noun



55:70 فِيهِنَّ خَيْرَاتٌ حِسَانٌ

According to Corpus Quran

فِيهِنَّ    : third person feminine plural  object pronoun



If فِيهِنَّ    is referring to all 3 of them how is this possible? Can someone please give me similair usage like this please.


At the moment I have two explanations:
1) فِيهِنَّ    is only referring to  فَاكِهَةٌ    . As that is the only feminine word.
2) Who gave the genders to words? And how did they derived them? With other words, are وَنَخْلٌ     and وَرُمَّانٌ     in The Quran masculine?


I came across this verse:
26:148  وَزُرُوعٍ وَنَخْلٍ طَلْعُهَا هَضِيمٌ

According to Corpus Quran
وَنَخْلٍ   :  genitive masculine  indefinite noun
طَلْعُهَا   :  third person feminine  singular possessive pronoun

How is this possible?
It looks to me without question that َنَخْلٍ   is feminine, unless someone comes with something I overlooked.

If no one can come up with an explanation then I am afraid that we have to investigate every word of The Quran for it's gender.

Last question, to what is فِيهِنَّ   referring in 55:56?
55:56 فِيهِنَّ قَاصِرَاتُ الطَّرْفِ لَمْ يَطْمِثْهُنَّ إِنْسٌ قَبْلَهُمْ وَلَا جَانٌّ

Salaam and thanks to anyone who tries to help.

Salam and peace

Salam mubashir

for me the explanation from Asad seems to be logic.
For the other question, why the Muslims today don't walk in the light as promised , i see  this  in the fact, that they mixed truth (Quran) with falsehood (secondary sources) as do the previous people - and  they they can't find light, because Allah is the light and the Quran His last revelation: the filter to found the truth and to be guided and to do good, if we take this guidance serious and not in vain...
peace

Salam
what i understand from the Quran, that God speaks from Slavery as always existent.
As we know today there are slaves too -  There are child slaves in Haiti,  in Europe children and adolescents, which are sold in the Prostution adn in Dubai we found housmaides hold  as 'slaves' - we can not expresse this status otherwise....
Slavery is officially abolished, but still her e- that slavery is hidden under the names 'employees'.
For me one more proof of the authenticity of the Qur'an that it also addresses this issue and in a form that tells us clearly that slavery was never abolished!
peace

Salam Hajj

I think it will be a universal cataclysmic disaster that will overthrow  the existing order, the SunnatAllah which stands since  Allah created the universe and the world. The sun and the moon, which runs in heavenly tracks will be ripped from those - and if they do, a life on earth will  be impossible anyway ..
a global or universal catastrophe can touch the earth every second - i watched a documentation about huge underground volcanoes, one of which 'is sleeping' in the U.S..If he would erupt , then, good night ... and it can erupt any second - SubhanAllah. And this was just one example...
peace

Salam MehdiS
i will share my opinion:

God has created a universal system that is called Deen. According to the times and peoples, he sent several laws brought about by prophets. The last divine law for humanity is the Quran It contains  don't represents many individual laws, but provides a rough framework.
If we see that also Jusuf observed the secular (human) law, then we can conclude that we should subjugate secular laws, as long as they are within the Quranic wisdom.
Likewise, I see no sin (as orthodox muslims do)  to vote the politicians. However, it is also true that we  can not see into the hearts of others, but their appearance and their actions already deduce how they think.
On the other hand it plays in contemporary politics not matter anyway, whether you go vote or not  -.the so-called democracy don't exist and therefore is no discrepancy in the interpretation.
peace 

Salam all
This large discrepancy between theory and practice we see not only in Islam, but also elsewhere.
I am also of the opinion that we should first of all start at home:  do yourself what you preach. Then we can look around in the family and in the neighborhood. If we all would work so consistently, then there would be a chance to liveour faith. But we're usually too busy with ourselves, or too tired, or do not want, or, or, or ...
Since it is easier to blame others rather than to look at ourselves. The errors of the other people are always obvious, however, our own mistakes we see often not.
Peace

Salam Duster

thank you very much!
i read the first part and overlook the second part!
peace

[Others have the idea that their spiritual leaders have 'special knowlege' that can only be passed on to others after they have served under their teacher for many many years. This is very worrying for me.]

Salam Hope

Salaam,

I have read that certain Sufi groups do have concepts where they chant their way to a higher plane so that they are 'one with God and He is one with them' in a literal sense.

Others have the idea that their spiritual leaders have 'special knowlege' that can only be passed on to others after they have served under their teacher for many many years. This is very worrying for me.

Thanks

this i have read too. and just yesterday one site which i follow make in a new article this claim "how to be ONE WITH GOD".
But thank you for trying to enlighten me 

Salaam Truth Seeker,

I have read that certain Sufi groups do have concepts where they chant their way to a higher plane so that they are 'one with God and He is one with them' in a literal sense.

Others have the idea that their spiritual leaders have 'special knowlege' that can only be passed on to others after they have served under their teacher for many many years. This is very worrying for me.

People have different stations [ lawwamah, mulhimah, mutma'innah, radiyah, mardiyah] and consciousness thus every experience is different. Are the seeing and the blind the same?  Outside of the Paradise, most cannot realize the Divine Presence.  The quest, seeking must be spiritual.  The vision of God is for the eye of the heart. As far as the spiritual leaders, they cannot make you see, most they can do is make you get involved in spiritual exercises where you try to 'kill the ego' to prepare the soul for maximum absorption of divine light. like personal trainer in a gym. some are good some are not just like some seekers are more receptive than others.

but the problem is, that spiritual leaders aren't personal trainer in  gym. Spirtuality should be for All people, not only for few individual.
hmm
Thank you and salam