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Islamic Duties / Re: Funeral prayer (Janaza prayer)
« on: July 29, 2017, 05:21:07 AM »
Correction again from my last post, I meant 3:134 and not 3:135.

Apologies again.

Islamic Duties / Re: Funeral prayer (Janaza prayer)
« on: July 28, 2017, 09:44:09 PM »
Peace Hamzeh.
Thank you for your post.
I agree with your correction,I meant to put "Younfekoon" not "Zakat". a printed mistake:

"[Qoran 3:134] who give-Younfekoon-during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. God loves the charitable."

I put the wrong word-Zakat- in 3:135 in that post ,Apologies.
GOD bless you .

Islamic Duties / Re: Funeral prayer (Janaza prayer)
« on: July 28, 2017, 04:36:49 AM »
Peace mohammed.
Thank you for your post.

In my ongoing search for GOD s message,I have yet to find a particular man s religion authored to us by our Creator.
Although GOD sends a message or clarifies His message,GOD is consistent with what is sent ,and I find that us ,humans,are always looking for some "true religion" to follow for our salvation, despite GOD telling us "you are one people and there is only one deen"
Total loyalty and submission to GOD Alone is a hard task . It may sound easy ,but devotion to GOD is the ultimate test for every generation.
[Qoran 35:32] We passed the scripture from generation to generation, and we allowed whomever we chose from among our servants to receive it. Subsequently, some of them wronged their souls, others upheld it only part of the time, while others were eager to work righteousness in accordance with God’s will; this is the greatest triumph. 

Those who are conscious of the Lord, regardless of what religion they are, will recognise the truth from their Lord wherever it is.:
[Qoran 3:133] You should eagerly race towards forgiveness from your Lord and a Paradise whose width encompasses the heavens and the earth; it awaits the righteous,
[Qoran 3:134] who give Zakat during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. God loves the charitable.
[Qoran 3:135] If they fall in sin or wrong their souls, they remember God and ask forgiveness for their sins – and who forgives the sins except God – and they do not persist in sins, knowingly.
[Qoran 3:136] Their recompense is forgiveness from their Lord, and gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. What a blessed reward for the workers!
[Qoran 2:148] Each of you chooses the direction to follow; you shall race towards righteousness. Wherever you may be, God will summon you all. God is Omnipotent.

The message from GOD is consistent throughout the generations. It is about righteousness!!!! Rites and laws may differ .but the right conduct and the devotion to GOD Alone is the same.
I do not see any contradiction as regards the “righteous” in all the scriptures. Those who received the scriptures will recognise the truth of Qoran. Qoran allows them to judge by/practise what GOD has revealed to them( Not men s words) through their messengers.
A priority above all other priorities is the right conduct.
GOD bless you.

Islamic Duties / Re: Funeral prayer (Janaza prayer)
« on: July 27, 2017, 04:41:18 PM »
Peace mohammed,All.

To be honest,the debate is now shifting towards the main commands like patience,truthfulness,justice,good works and a relationship with the Lord that is strictly personal and sincere.

Things like Salat,hajj,sawm are less of a priority at the start to those who seek their Lord for a sincere relationship.
What is happening now with Qoran is people playing with multi meanings words of GOD and arriving at different confusing outcomes..
Words like Salat,Zakat,Hajj,Sawm,Sujud etc that GOD in His wisdom has put there to distinguish and bring out the true convictions of those who say they believe.
GOD has also been true to His word by sending messengers to clarify certain rights and put more fitna into the mix.
For me these type of subjects have now become irrelevant now.
The main subject of importance and priority is to acquire “taqwa” to overcome the worldly desires and to clean oneself from hate,discrimination,arrogance…LOVE GOD AND LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR!
Just my thoughts.
Oh and some verses that come to mind:
“Our Lord, let not our hearts waver, now that You have guided us. Shower us with Your mercy; You are the Grantor.
رَبَّنا لا تُزِغ قُلوبَنا بَعدَ إِذ هَدَيتَنا وَهَب لَنا مِن لَدُنكَ رَحمَةً إِنَّكَ أَنتَ الوَهّابُ

They say, “Our Lord, we have believed, so forgive us our sins, and spare us the agony of the hellfire.”
الَّذينَ يَقولونَ رَبَّنا إِنَّنا ءامَنّا فَاغفِر لَنا ذُنوبَنا وَقِنا عَذابَ النّارِ
They are steadfast, truthful, submitting, charitable, and mustaghfireen at dawn.
الصّٰبِرينَ وَالصّٰدِقينَ وَالقٰنِتينَ وَالمُنفِقينَ وَالمُستَغفِرينَ بِالأَسحارِ

Eventually,when your mind is healed/freed/at peace,you will feel completely free from hate,Jealousy,gossip,anger,tit for tat chat,revenge,false religion,…etc
Your mind will be lifted by GOD towards bliss to encounter love towards GOD Alone,then it will resonate/translate this love towards  all His creatures.
What a wonderful feeling.All around you will start to benefit from the new you,your family,friends ,enemies and yourself of course.
You will find the purpose of your life is independent of all others,only dependent on your creator.
You will start to concentrate on your thoughts and actions ,trying your best to do to others what you would like to see done to you.
Of course ,as a human,there will be moments when we step out of GOD s realm, GOD then will give you a push back as a reminder. Acknowledging ,repenting and going back to the realm will save you again and so on….
Or take no notice if you wish to remain independent of GOD,but the disease will take over again.
Muslim to GOD is a “great jihad” against oneself only,if only each one of us realises and takes up this special and private relationship with GOD Alone.
The true feeling of happiness .
GOD bless.

Peace Ilker,mohammed.
Please do not get me wrong.
I am not implying anything when I say "Parroting words" ,I just mean the words "Sallah Allahu Alaihi Wa Sallam" do not have any meaning or effect . They are not benefiting the prophet or the person saying them.
I am not being personal towards anyone in particular.

But when we say "Peace be upon somebody" this phrase has a meaning .
"Salamun ala..." or "Alaihi Assalam"...have meanings and I do not think there is anything wrong in these sayings .
GOD bless.

Peace mohammed.
My  understanding and reply to  some comments on "Salla Allhu Alaihi Wa Sallam" quoted by someone else:

On those who keep saying,every time the prophet Mohammed is mentioned-”Salla Allahu Alaihi Wa Sallam”:

When GOD mentioned the “Nabi” in any Ayat ,it was when the Nabi was alive.

When you say ,quote:(This is the person I mentioned  quote)
Allah sends blessings upon the pious souls of the deceased, especially our beloved Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم
إِنَّ اللَّـهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
How do you explain Allah commanding the Believers to send Salawaat upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alahi wasallam)?
If you don’t send Salawaat it means you don’t consider yourself in the category of “Those who believe”. And that is true, people who hate the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam and refuse to send Salawaat upon him can hardly be considered Believers. And you yourself are excluding yourself from “Those who believe” who are addressed in Surah 33:56.
Also, consider the fact that the word “Yusalloona” is an imperfect verb, or فعل مضارع. It means “Verily Allah and the Mala’ikah are continuously sending blessings upon the Prophet”.

This tells me you(the person quoted) do not understand  what GOD is saying!!!
GOD is asking the believers during the prophets time =i.e when he was alive!!!!- to  support the prophet like GOD and  His angels support the prophet and to  totally submit to GOD- A total submission-.GOD is not asking us or them to parrot words that have no meanings whatsoever! Just how do you suppose GOD and His angels send “Sallawat” upon the prophet? Do you think GOD and the angels are repeating words like “Salla allahu alaihi wa sallam”?
The same way when GOD asked the believers not to raise their voice above that of the prophet!!! Do you think GOD is asking us to do that now that the prophet is gone?
The mind boggles at some logic
However ,you(the person quoted) can keep parroting them words if you choose to. A waste of time and effort I would say. Of course my opinion.
GOD bless you.

General Discussions / Re: Hurs
« on: June 28, 2017, 09:42:26 PM »
Peace All.
My understanding of "Hur" and "Hur een" is some sort of "cycles" of another life.
 For example we are coupled in this life by a soul and a body. In the hereafter "Zawwajnahum bi-hur een" just means GOD  will couple the new creation s soul by another "body" one that is different from this body. One that is pure...etc.
GOD also gives example of the fruits of paradise cycle of life. Every-time a fruit is picked it is replaced new like the first but untouched...

So, Cheers to all for a new life in a new body with new provisions in a new place ...But not as humans!
GOD bless.

« on: June 01, 2017, 05:10:29 AM »
Thank you brother Hamzeh.
The trip was interesting and enjoyable. A lesson to help towards submitting to the Creator.
GOD bless you and all the brothers and sisters here.

« on: May 09, 2017, 09:40:42 PM »
Peace brothers and sisters.
Just to let you know I will be away until the end of May.
I am going to Africa ,hence I may not reply to posts on this thread until I am back.
GOD bless you all.

« on: May 09, 2017, 01:58:23 AM »
Thank you brother wakas for the verses and your post.

GOD is capable of substituting better people from this and the future generations if He wills.

 New knowledge/technology/communication/the mixing between nations and races...  is also starting a "wake up call" to all humans that division and strife/enmity between them ( religions and sects up there at the top)  has led to nothing but disasters and wars!!!

The more I look into GOD s message,the more I see that Jesus was spot on about" LOVE GOD AND LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR",the only command/instruction that will break these barriers .

I am still positive and hopeful though.
GOD bless you.

« on: May 08, 2017, 08:44:54 PM »
Peace Duster.
Yes,it seems so difficult ,but when we stop and listen to that argument we are doing exactly what multitude of religions are doing. Mine is better than yours. Yours is false and mine is the truth!
GOD said unite "Bihabli Allhi", come to  a common term between yourselves.

Well, then how are we supposed to sort it out?
Keep  arguing with each other? Fight one another? Each to their  own,while we harbour bad feelings about each other?

I think if we go to GOD Alone ,each one of us with honesty and sincerity  and implore GOD  for unity and let GOD take it from there. GOD is capable of uniting our hearts,like He has done with some generations before us. They had different religions to start with? Or not. But we have got to try.

I am  only trying to place  the monotheistic concept in the spot light: [2:135] and [2:136].
 Positively delivering the good news: [3:15] can then follow.
But of course with respecting God's given gift of freedom to each and every human on earth irrespective of their belief: [6:135], [6:147] , [109:1-6] .
Am I expecting everyone to "wear the same uniform"? Of course not . WE can never do that as human beings when we are diverse. But agreeing to serve the same and only Lord will be a start.

I do get your point though.
GOD bless you.

« on: May 08, 2017, 01:36:07 PM »
Peace Duster.
I hope I will also put it even simpler to you that our differences are not the issue as far as calling to GOD Alone to unite is concerned and I will list you the reasons:

1- Whatever your detailed beliefs,whatever your religion,if you believe in GOD,the last day and do good you have no fear nor grieve. What is wrong with all the seekers of GOD Alone ,in any sect or religion,to put their differences aside and unite in serving/worshipping GOD Alone and seeking redemption.
Of course one is free to stay divided if they wish.

2- I am calling to  GOD Alone and His message. Note that this instruction is in your message if you believe Qoran" Wa uduu Ila Rabbik"( Call to your Lord) and "Wa lladhina yasiluna Ma Amara Allahu Bihi An Yussala" ( They pass on the message).  That is all I am doing.

3- I am not calling you or anyone else to my religion or my way or my beliefs. I am irrelevant. This is about GOD and His message. Hence a choice one can take or leave. If one goes to GOD s message,they will find that they have to study it/ponder it because they will be asked by GOD" Akadhabtum Biaayati Wa Lam Touhito Biha Ilman"(Did you not believe in my AAyat( message) and study them/ponder/check them or what is it you were doing?)

4-you are entitled to ignore this thread from now on if it does not make sense to you .

5- You are also entitled to counter this call by your own call and sell your beliefs , I will look at your good arguments and consider the case to join you . That will probably make more sense than me explaining to you why I am calling to GOD Alone and unity.

6-We can always disagree and leave it at that. You are entitled to your way and I am to mine.

Apart from this few points I really cannot explain to you any better or clearer why I am calling to GOD Alone and unity between all the believers in all the religions. Apart from:

Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.

« on: May 08, 2017, 07:13:20 AM »
Peace Duster.
I have already clarified for you that I am a believer. You are calling me submitter and you keep insisting on that despite my clarification

I do not follow Rashad Khalifa ,I follow GOD Alone and His message. Rashad passed on a message and is gone now.

I have checked code 19 and I have found,according to my own research ,that GOD has locked His words (Qoran) mathematically. Apart from that, I study Qoran and follow Qoran alone.
If you feel this is a problem for you,I respect your decision.
If you also feel this should stop me from calling all those who are sincere in seeking GOD Alone to unite on this common ground,then you are free to make that feeling known.
That is my honest and sincere explanation to you brother.
GOD bless you.

« on: May 07, 2017, 09:23:01 PM »
Peace Duster.
I call to GOD Alone.
GOD does the guiding and unites.
I see you as a brother.
GOD bless you.

« on: May 07, 2017, 08:06:32 PM »
Peace all.
Calling all believers:  Monotheists, Submitters,Qoran centrics,others.... to GOD Alone, All you, whatever religion you may be, that are seeking "GOD ALONE". Let us unite in our aim:

Calling to the Creator, so we may be one congregation with "our Lord":

3:64″ Say:” O followers of the scripture ( all the religions out there that follow a scripture!), let us come to a logical agreement between us (loyalists to GOD ALONE) and you:” That we never serve/worship except GOD; That we never set up any idols beside HIM, nor set up any human beings ( Prophets/ Messiah/Religious leaders, Scholars, etc….) as lords beside GOD.” If they turn away, say:” Bear witness that we are Muslimeen. ( Totally loyal to GOD ALONE)”

( Does your religion have Abraham , Some Jewish prophets, other messengers?)

3:67″ Abraham ( along with other prophets/messengers and believers) was neither Jewish nor Christian. ( nor traditional Muslim nor Shinto nor any other religion you can name .) He was a true Muslim/ submitter.( Totally loyal to GOD ALONE) He never was an idol Worshipper.”

3:85″ Anyone who accepts other than Islam/submission ( and total loyalty to GOD ALONE) , it will not be accepted from him and in the hereafter, he will be with the losers.”

Let us get the most important priority right:  GOD ALONE is the top priority.

Let us put all the differences of minor issues aside. Let us not be arrogant in whatever the Lord has provided for each of us ( Knowledge, wealth, friends ...)

4:49″ Have you noted those who exalt themselves. (very important people! including some scholars, some Religious leaders , some experts etc…. They understand better than the ordinary person?)  GOD is the one who exalts whomever HE wills ( best Teacher, best Expert.) without the least injustice. ( HE knows your innermost thought, if you pass HIS test, you qualify!)

Let us altogether hold fast to the rope of GOD. Pledge to follow HIM ALONE!

4:60″ Have you (also) noted those who claim they believe in GOD s scripture then uphold the laws of their idols? ( They follow made up rules , traditions and hocus pocus! Internet sites; Replace old idols with new "idols".) They were commanded to reject such laws.” ( If they follow the word of GOD ALONE)

4:63″ GOD is fully aware of their innermost intentions. ( some of these experts/ leaders etc….) You shall ignore them ,( check and prove all things!) enlighten them ( let them reflect on these words of GOD!) and give them good advice ( to repent! GOD is waiting to forgive them if they correct!) that they may save themselves.”

 A Call to GOD ALONE.

4:65″ Never indeed by your Lord, they are not( true) believers until they find no hesitation in their hearts, ( to sincerely repent) they must submit, a true Islam/submission ( To GOD ALONE).”

GOD bless.

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